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[Fiery Phoenix]

She murdered a bunch of humans on very slim (as it turns out, nonexistent) evidence. After that, anybody going into the Wending Wood becomes fair game for her. It's very easy to explain her actions as a result of extreme emotional distress and incomplete information; it's extraordinarily difficult to justify them.

If she survives, she also, y'know, doesn't really show a whole lot of remorse for anything she did, because lolhumans.

Doesn't she acknowledge her missteps later on? She's not the type that strikes me as easy to show remorse. But if you play your cards right, you can get her to see that what she did wasn't right and she comes to appreciate your help setting things straight for her by the end of the story.

 

Plus, BioWare has always done characters that are initially emotionally unstable and/or want to kill the protagonist for any random reason. Velanna was no different in my eyes. It's what she becomes that I like about her, not how she appears initially.

[Inverse_Twilight]

It doesn't quite go as far as to have them at it on the corpse of the dragon, but my fic "The Rain" is certainly partly inspired by the idea...

I just read your fic and I wanted to let you know that I loved it. I may have also read every other part of Isileth's Story. You did a great job writing Sera. Keep up the great work.

[SardaukarElite]

I tend to take a dim view of people who try to kill me. NPCs who try to kill my player character fall in the same category.

 

Oh, now you're going and  being logical again.

[Xilizhra]

Yep, i liked Velanna too. Everyone opens up if you get to know them more.... Even Velanna.

 

 

It's quite sad she and Viv are the most hated characters here.

Velanna's fine, just angry. Vivienne's repulsive.

 

I admit, Velanna's one side of the coin of people I've always wanted to romance... the other side is Merrill, whom I actually did get to romance, so yay.

[Sunnie]

That looks so great! What materials did you use to tint the armor?

I used Ice Dragon Scales (from the JoH dragon), and the purple is a one of the non-dlc minerals, cant remember atm.

[Aimi]

Plus, BioWare has always done characters that are initially emotionally unstable and/or want to kill the protagonist for any random reason. Velanna was no different in my eyes. It's what she becomes that I like about her, not how she appears initially.

Yes, it is a staple of BioWare writing, and it's one that I don't particularly care for. Hence this whole train of comments.

It's something that severely damages my suspension of disbelief and is something that I am not interested in roleplaying. When it appears in DA and ME, that's fine - it's usually optional then. Loghain, Zevran, and Velanna are not forced companions. When it's forced, though, that's a game-breaker for me. SWTOR had a whole passel of companions that are forced despite actively attempting to kill the player character at some point - Skadge, Gault, Quinn, Broonmark, Scourge, SCORPIO, and Kaliyo. In related news, I don't play SWTOR anymore.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Yes, it is a staple of BioWare writing, and it's one that I don't particularly care for. Hence this whole train of comments.

It's something that severely damages my suspension of disbelief and is something that I am not interested in roleplaying. When it appears in DA and ME, that's fine - it's usually optional then. Loghain, Zevran, and Velanna are not forced companions. When it's forced, though, that's a game-breaker for me. SWTOR had a whole passel of companions that are forced despite actively attempting to kill the player character at some point - Skadge, Gault, Quinn, Broonmark, Scourge, SCORPIO, and Kaliyo. In related news, I don't play SWTOR anymore.

To be fair, TOR is an MMO at heart which gives it fundamentally more flexibility and freedom on the player's end than DA or ME (even with the inclusion of forced companions). But otherwise I get what you're saying.

[jlb524]

Yes, it is a staple of BioWare writing, and it's one that I don't particularly care for. Hence this whole train of comments.

It's something that severely damages my suspension of disbelief and is something that I am not interested in roleplaying. When it appears in DA and ME, that's fine - it's usually optional then. Loghain, Zevran, and Velanna are not forced companions. When it's forced, though, that's a game-breaker for me. SWTOR had a whole passel of companions that are forced despite actively attempting to kill the player character at some point - Skadge, Gault, Quinn, Broonmark, Scourge, SCORPIO, and Kaliyo. In related news, I don't play SWTOR anymore.

 

I don't remember Kaliyo trying to kill the PC.  But, you can add Jaesa, Khem Val, M1-4X to the list.  There might be more if I think about it...

[Aimi]

I don't remember Kaliyo trying to kill the PC.  But, you can add Jaesa, Khem Val, M1-4X to the list.  There might be more if I think about it...

That whole mess at the end of her personal questline was what I was thinking of. She doesn't directly engage you in combat IIRC but she lures you into a trap and basically tries to get you killed.

[jlb524]

That whole mess at the end of her personal questline was what I was thinking of. She doesn't directly engage you in combat IIRC but she lures you into a trap and basically tries to get you killed.

She doesn't want you to die though and stands with you when fighting her "friends". It's still a big FUBAR on her part but she's not technically trying to kill you. She thinks you're going to just get a bunch of credits from them.

I think every class has some companion who tries to kill you except the Jedi Consular.

[Aimi]

She doesn't want you to die though and stands with you when fighting her "friends". It's still a big FUBAR on her part but she's not technically trying to kill you. She thinks you're going to just get a bunch of credits from them.

I think every class has some companion who tries to kill you except the Jedi Consular.

Her dialogue made me think that she didn't go into the whole situation with a particularly clear understanding of what she was doing. It's hard for me to imagine that, if she was thinking the whole thing through, that her terrorist group buddies wouldn't want to kill a Cipher agent rather than, uh, whatever she thought they were going to do. But it's also easy for me to believe that she kind of just assumed that it would work like any other of her many backstabs - focused on the money, even if it made no sense for money to be involved in this particular confrontation.

Either way, she facilitated a trap that was aimed at killing Cipher Nine, and the resolution of the situation didn't make a whole lot of sense unless you view it through traditional BioWare companion relationship goggles. That's what I was thinking of.

Smuggler doesn't have any fights with companions either, IIRC, but it's been forever since I played Smuggler Balmorra so I can't remember if Akaavi does anything like that or not.

[jlb524]

Akaavi doesn't but I was thinking that Guss tries to get you killed on Hoth but I don't remember for sure. You don't fight him though.

[Sunnie]

Sera Cards!

[Nharia1]

Akaavi doesn't but I was thinking that Guss tries to get you killed on Hoth but I don't remember for sure. You don't fight him though.

He tries... multiple times.

[Inverse_Twilight]

Sera Cards!
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I like the romance card but the second one is definitely my favorite. So cheeky! Lol. Sitting upside down on the throne does seem like something Sera would do though. I can imagine her sitting like that for a while waiting for Inky to enter the main hall and see her.

[Serza]

I like the romance card but the second one is definitely my favorite. So cheeky! Lol. Sitting upside down on the throne does seem like something Sera would do though. I can imagine her sitting like that for a while waiting for Inky to enter the main hall and see her.

 

DLC idea. Right there.

[WildOrchid]

I like the romance card but the second one is definitely my favorite. So cheeky! Lol. Sitting upside down on the throne does seem like something Sera would do though. I can imagine her sitting like that for a while waiting for Inky to enter the main hall and see her.

 

I wish the 2nd card was the romance one.. It's very.... suggestive. If you get what i mean.

 

Btw, you guise, did you know there's a mod that makes Sera look like concept art Sera?

 

 

I might try just the hair, don't like changing Sera's skin or eye color.

[Xilizhra]

I wish the 2nd card was the romance one.. It's very.... suggestive. If you get what i mean.

It is, but... it keeps striking me as something that's suggestive in a phallic way.

 

 

Btw, you guise, did you know there's a mod that makes Sera look like concept art Sera?

 

I might try just the hair, don't like changing Sera's skin or eye color.

I might, but it sort of seems like something about her facial structure doesn't quite fit.

[WildOrchid]

It is, but... it keeps striking me as something that's suggestive in a phallic way.

 

 

I might, but it sort of seems like something about her facial structure doesn't quite fit.

 

Lmao, you see everything in phallic way. I see it as sapphic.

[The Loyal Nub]

I wish the 2nd card was the romance one.. It's very.... suggestive. If you get what i mean.

 

Btw, you guise, did you know there's a mod that makes Sera look like concept art Sera?

 

 

I might try just the hair, don't like changing Sera's skin or eye color.

 

That eye color is redonkulous! *doesn't care for it*

[The Loyal Nub]

Silliness...

 

 

 

 

Spoiler

 

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[Xilizhra]

Lmao, you see everything in phallic way. I see it as sapphic.

I guess if you look at the arrow point more...

[YourFunnyUncle]

I wish the 2nd card was the romance one.. It's very.... suggestive. If you get what i mean.

 

Btw, you guise, did you know there's a mod that makes Sera look like concept art Sera?

 

*snip*

 

I might try just the hair, don't like changing Sera's skin or eye color.

That hair is going to clip horribly, isn't it?

[WildOrchid]

I guess if you look at the arrow point more...

 

It's an arrow.

Next time you'll say the Eiffel tower is a phallic symbol.

 

 

@Uncle, yeah the modder says this: "Her hair does get a bit wonky when she does leaping shot and other crazy moves. It also clips a bit through her scarf when she moves her head. (I can see why the devs gave her a short cut.)"

[YourFunnyUncle]

@Uncle, yeah the modder says this: "Her hair does get a bit wonky when she does leaping shot and other crazy moves. It also clips a bit through her scarf when she moves her head. (I can see why the devs gave her a short cut.)"

It's the reason that the closest you get to long hair in the game is a small pony tail. They'd have to completely re-work the hair part of the game engine, and I don't think lower end PCs and last-gen consoles would be able to handle it at all.