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#96726
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Like I said: that's an explanation, not a justification.

 

It's an explanation for why what she did wasn't unjustifiable.

 

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My Lavellan clan keeps it simple!

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That's my favorite of the vallaslin available, and your Inquisitor's eyes are really pretty.


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#96727
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"Mouth made of frigging butter, and you waste it"
 
 
Aw Sera.
 
I decided to break up with her in the scene where she had the dream and..... NOPE. That's got to be the saddest one, IMO. Quizzy breaks up with her and she tries to reach her by calling her with the nickname she chose for her... jaysus. Never again.


I just read this and got sad enough that I know I wouldn't be able to do this in game. That sounds soul crushing :-(

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FemHawke FTW

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Ok, caption this!Yes, I just created a Sera MLP, suck it haters!
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And now I feel better ;-)

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It's an explanation for why what she did wasn't unjustifiable.

 

How? You left out anything approaching a justification for her actions.

 

Justification

noun
noun: justification
1.
the action of showing something to be right or reasonable.
 
Centuries of other people doing bad things to other people doesn't make the slaughter of different people uninvolved in those actions any more right or reasonable. The weakness in that argument is the false attribution of responsibility, not the time period: a racistequivalence fallacy that holds all humans responsible for the actions of some isn't any more right or reasonable- even before we address the point that her assumption is kind of stupid.
 
Vellana's response to believing that Group A (humans involved in the attack) was responsible for killing favored Group B (her group) was to kill as much of Group C (all humans) as she could as they came across her path, because Racism somehow means that Group C and Group A are equivalent. That is pretty much the height of unjustified revenge.
 
 
(And, for the record, what Zathrian did was also unjustified and stupid as well. You're right that they weren't so different- they were also both wrong and unreasonable.)


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#96731
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Sera's pretty much at the core of my Inquisitor's inner circle along with Cass and Dorian. Without her it feels totally gutted.

That's pretty much the only party I go out with (unless they force me to go with someone).  

 

I don't care if you would have liked to have seen the Grey Warden stuff, Blackwall!  Be happy I let you know about it at all!


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#96732
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That's pretty much the only party I go out with (unless they force me to go with someone).  

 

I don't care if you would have liked to have seen the Grey Warden stuff, Blackwall!  Be happy I let you know about it at all!

Sera (always in group), Solas and Bull has been my party for my entire current run (Lavellan Mage), Sera and Bull have some of the funniest banter together. But, just recently I started hearing Bull and Solas playing a game of chess in banter, and Solas is losing!  lol

And Blackwall can just be happy that I don't throw his ass off the top of the keep.


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#96733
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Sera (always in group), Solas and Bull has been my party for my entire current run (Lavellan Mage), Sera and Bull have some of the funniest banter together. But, just recently I started hearing Bull and Solas playing a game of chess in banter, and Solas is losing!  lol

And Blackwall can just be happy that I don't throw his ass off the top of the keep.

Keep listening to that Solas/Bull chess game.

 

Also, my usual party... well, with my Lavellan, it's Blackwall, Cole and Solas. I cycle Cassandra and Sera through sometimes, and Dorian a bit more rarely; I rarely use Varric, and never use Vivienne or Iron Bull (the former because I hate her, the latter because he sucks mechanically).



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Keep listening to that Solas/Bull chess game.

 

Also, my usual party... well, with my Lavellan, it's Blackwall, Cole and Solas. I cycle Cassandra and Sera through sometimes, and Dorian a bit more rarely; I rarely use Varric, and never use Vivienne or Iron Bull (the former because I hate her, the latter because he sucks mechanically).

He does robots too?!

 

I'm sorry, that was bad.  I'll show myself out.


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#96735
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My usual party is Sera, Dorian and either Cassandra or Bull. It also happens to be a perfectly well-balanced party.

 

P.S. I never use Cole :wacko:



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My usual party is Sera, Dorian and either Cassandra or Bull. It also happens to be a perfectly well-balanced party.

 

P.S. I never use Cole :wacko:

Why? Not only is Cole a great character, but he does more damage than anyone else in the game (he just has to be babysat when it comes to fighting anyone with melee AOE attacks).



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Why? Not only is Cole a great character, but he does more damage than anyone else in the game (he just has to be babysat when it comes to fighting anyone with melee AOE attacks).

What I meant is I feel his inclusion to my preferred balance is redundant/unnecessary. I typically prefer no more than one Rogue who is an archer, a role that is fulfilled by Sera.



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What I meant is I feel his inclusion to my preferred balance is redundant/unnecessary. I typically prefer no more than one Rogue who is an archer, a role that is fulfilled by Sera.

Fair enough. Rogues are sort of the... well, it seems to me like they're the least useful class overall in this game, given the greater emphasis on defense and the fact that rogues are the only ones who can't protect people aside from themselves.



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Fair enough. Rogues are sort of the... well, it seems to me like they're the least useful class overall in this game, given the greater emphasis on defense and the fact that rogues are the only ones who can't protect people aside from themselves.

Well, I would say Rogues are simply highly skill-dependent. Obviously, the game AI doesn't do the class justice in this department. But in the right hands, a Rogue is exceptionally effective in this game. (I beat Nightmare as an archer myself.)



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Fair enough. Rogues are sort of the... well, it seems to me like they're the least useful class overall in this game, given the greater emphasis on defense and the fact that rogues are the only ones who can't protect people aside from themselves.

And I think Warriors are the least useful class overall. My builds for Sera (and my human archer) kill bosses so fast that no warrior even gets to the battle before what ever it is is already falling over dead.

 

Well, I would say Rogues are simply highly skill-dependent. Obviously, the game AI doesn't do the class justice in this department. But in the right hands, a Rogue is exceptionally effective in this game. (I beat Nightmare as an archer myself.)

I also did my nightmare run with my Rogue Archer and Sera speced out as duel wield, made it a cakewalk.


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#96741
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Why? Not only is Cole a great character, but he does more damage than anyone else in the game (he just has to be babysat when it comes to fighting anyone with melee AOE attacks).

 

For myself, I basically have no use for an Assassin other than my own Inquisitor, who is basically a murder goddess at this point. And I can't bother making Cole an archer too, because with Sera, Varric and now my own Assassquisitor as one I'm well over capacity. As for damage, I'm not sure about that. I took a stroll over to the Sandy Howler, and before Iron Bull and Dorian could do anything, my Assassin and little Tempest went to town and the damn thing didn't even have time to summon its dragonlings. I got a kick out of giving it a wake up call with a jar of bees XD

 

I do take Cole around on occasion, but seldom for any main story stuff.

 

On a separate note, I'm not a fan of Cole's banter. He can't seem to talk about anything that isn't the result of his rooting around in their heads and it gets kind of tiresome. Also, he makes Sera change the pet names because he airs their meaning so I can't have that lol.


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#96742
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For myself, I basically have no use for an Assassin other than my own Inquisitor, who is basically a murder goddess at this point. And I can't bother making Cole an archer too, because with Sera, Varric and now my own Assassquisitor as one I'm well over capacity. As for damage, I'm not sure about that. I took a stroll over to the Sandy Howler, and before Iron Bull and Dorian could do anything, my Assassin and little Tempest went to town and the damn thing didn't even have time to summon its dragonlings. I got a kick out of giving it a wake up call with a jar of bees XD

 

I do take Cole around on occasion, but seldom for any main story stuff.

 

On a separate note, I'm not a fan of Cole's banter. He can't seem to talk about anything that isn't the result of his rooting around in their heads and it gets kind of tiresome. Also, he makes Sera change the pet names because he airs their meaning so I can't have that lol.

 

Yeah. Cole's odd. But he's a good... spirit...? Boy? I can't really tell.



#96743
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Yeah. Cole's odd. But he's a good... spirit...? Boy? I can't really tell.

Heh, yeah he wants to do good n stuff, but it's just too bad that pretty much all of his dialogue is speaking on other people's thoughts, at least before making him a "real boy". The part where I actually liked it was when he was talking about Corypheus.


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#96744
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In my pt, Sera does the most damage so i'm covered in terms of dealing damage.

 

 

And god, i'm regretting so hard with choosing warrior class for my female elf. Worst class ever, i'll leave that to Cass, Bull and Blackie.

 

 

So far my Archer Trevelyan and Mage Adaar are my favs. I'm enjoying tempest)/knight enchanter classes so much


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#96745
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I like the warrior class...bashing people with a shield and making pancakes out of enemies with a two hander is fun. I'm easily amused, I guess. :lol:



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In my pt, Sera does the most damage so i'm covered in terms of dealing damage.

 

 

And god, i'm regretting so hard with choosing warrior class for my female elf. Worst class ever, i'll leave that to Cass, Bull and Blackie.

 

 

So far my Archer Trevelyan and Mage Adaar are my favs. I'm enjoying tempest)/knight enchanter classes so much

I like archer rogue with assassin, and of course theres nothing better than Rift Mage (cuz I like to blow shite up!)



#96747
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I like the warrior class...bashing people with a shield and making pancakes out of enemies with a two hander is fun. I'm easily amused, I guess. :lol:

I think my favorite thing about shield bash is when busting into Keeps, but my absolute favorite is when Cassandra makes a comment about knocking on the door when you raid Griffon Wing Keep in the Western Approach. That said, explosive shot from two archers does the job well also.


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#96748
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I think that an unsung strength of this game is the fact that you can be successful using a variety of tactics. I will say, though, that certain classes and builds do clearly require more attention to be successful than others. Duel wield rogues are the most obvious example; you really do need to control them closely but if you do then they are lethal.
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#96749
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I always have Sera in my party. She is my main rogue and I hardly ever use Cole. He is a great character and all, but he dies too quickly on Nightmare. I tried making him an archer once, but I still used Sera more. Her specialization is just the best. My main party is usually Sera, Blackwall and Dorian/Solas. I have been using Vivienne more because she is a great support mage, but I still can't handle the vitrol that comes out of her mouth. I don't use Bull as much as the other warriors because he also dies too much on Nightmare.
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#96750
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Bull's okay if you spec him properly; either make him the tank, or make him wait until after the actual tank starts aggroing. Or babysit him with a KE, I guess.