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vertigomez

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I figured the muddled up Britishisms and Americanisms were a consequence of being Canadian.

You know, given how much more time I spend thinking about her than I do Josephine, I should probably just accept that Sera is the one I really want.
 
Is anyone up for the idea that I mentioned once before, about roleplaying as Sera while my Inquisitor tries out a different response to that Temple of Mythal fight? I'd write it myself, but I don't trust my objectivity.


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#96952
Xilizhra

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Come to the dark side. We actually do have cookies!

Ehh. It's an unpleasant choice, because I do keep feeling that Sera's just not compatible with me in the long term.



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It's not just Sera who does it, I've noticed that a lot of dialogue in the game (and indeed the entire franchise) is often transatlantic, where people switch between US and UK idioms quite frequently without ryhme or reason? Even the subtitles aren't immune, half the spellings follow the US version, while others favour the UK's (and Canada's) spelling instead?

 

Might just be a reflection of how the language gap is closing between the two sides of the pond, so that a lot of American phrases and slang has found it's way into British vernacular (although not so much the other way around), to the point where half the time it's US origin isn't even noticed?

 

(Although I take umbrage with how the police are now sometimes being referred to as "Feds" by inner-city teenagers, using that word is wrong on so many levels, I honestly don't even know where to begin?)

 

Personally, I'm hoping that the language gap doesn't close entirely, I don't want to take "American English" off my CV as a foreign language?

 

:lol: :P

Yeah it's far from being just Sera. I do recall a few jarring moments from Alistair in the first game, and from various characters at at various times up to and including the Jaws of Hakkon. I think I notice it more with her as she's the first companion with a regional English accent. It is certainly true that the language gap is narrowing, though, as American English has an influence on how we speak here through movies, TV and now the internet. A few years ago I saw a list of translations of American English phrases for Brits encountering US troops in the 1940s, and it was amazing how many of them are now part of everyday language in the UK, with the British translations looking quaint and antiquated...



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Ehh. It's an unpleasant choice, because I do keep feeling that Sera's just not compatible with me in the long term.

 

One step forward and then two steps back.  :lol:


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One step forward and then two steps back.  :lol:

I don't even know why she wouldn't break up with me for drinking from the Well, now that I've merged with the collective will and knowledge of all of Mythal's priests.



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One step forward and then two steps back.  :lol:

 

Classic Xil, tbh. :P :P



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Classic Xil, tbh. :P :P

 

It seemed the dawn was breaking and then the curtains were quickly shut once more.  :lol:  :D

 

*Now I have this Gang of Four song in my head.



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It seemed the dawn was breaking and then the curtains were quickly shut once more.  :lol:  :D

Grargh!

 

Damn you, Sera! Damn your inability to grasp the social dynamics of persecuted groups! Damn your inability to see beyond your own manufactured terrors about relationships! Damn your lack of perspective that can never quite be rectified! Damn you, because aside from all that, you're nearly as attractive as Merrill.


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One step forward and then two steps back.  :lol:

lol, I was thinking the same thing



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Grargh!

 

Damn you, Sera! Damn your inability to grasp the social dynamics of persecuted groups! Damn your inability to see beyond your own manufactured terrors about relationships! Damn your lack of perspective that can never quite be rectified! Damn you, because aside from all that, you're nearly as attractive as Merrill.

 

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Oddly I was never attracted to Merrill, and am attracted both to elves in general and to Eve Myles. Weird...



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Grargh!

 

Damn you, Sera! Damn your inability to grasp the social dynamics of persecuted groups! Damn your inability to see beyond your own manufactured terrors about relationships! Damn your lack of perspective that can never quite be rectified! Damn you, because aside from all that, you're nearly as attractive as Merrill.

 

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"Honey Tongue?!  If you're dead, I'll kill you!"

 

I love Sera!

Feels weird that I'm quoting myself, but I just wanted to add that I also like this because a LI shows concern when something happens to your character.  I'm having a brain cramp, I'm drawing a blank to recall other scenes like this.  Also, do all the LIs react like this if the Inquisitor drinks from the Well?


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Xilizhra

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Somehow, I have to know what Sera would say about my Inquisitor following the Creators before the Mythal fight, because it never gets brought up before then.



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Oddly I was never attracted to Merrill, and am attracted both to elves in general and to Eve Myles. Weird...

 

She even has short hair.

 

Feels weird that I'm quoting myself, but I just wanted to add that I also like this because a LI shows concern when something happens to your character.  I'm having a brain cramp, I'm drawing a blank to recall other scenes like this.  Also, do all the LIs react like this if the Inquisitor drinks from the Well?

 

Which makes the next scene with her a bit odd.

 

I also can't think of other concerned romances, but there must be right, given all the danger?



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She even has short hair.

Indeed. I guess the cute ditzy naive thing just isn't attractive to me...



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Somehow, I have to know what Sera would say about my Inquisitor following the Creators before the Mythal fight, because it never gets brought up before then.

Unless you can get her writer to sit down and answer those inquiries on Sera's behalf, you will never know.

I honestly don't understand why you consciously keep torturing yourself over this. Either accept that she has different beliefs and get along with her for the sake of love, or don't and just end the relationship and never recruit her again. Make a choice. Compromise or end it.


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Uh... This doesn't really...

 

I don't know. It doesn't feel Dragon Age-y at all.

 

Not a bad advertisement for WoT volume 2, I guess.


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#96969
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Well that ad was... Interesting... 

 

Back in DAI I made a new bow for Sera with the Grunsmann's Bow schematic from the Black Emporium. I like it because it doesn't look ridiculously over-the-top but it packs mean punch!

 

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Yeah that's my favorite bow in the game. Gave mine a 5 guard on hit bonus so Inky's a bit more resilient.

I see you gave Sera that Brasca whatever helm, which I find works really well for Dorian's look. I have her wearing the Ardent Blossom helm. She's the only companion I think is really suited for it.

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Yeah that's my favorite bow in the game. Gave mine a 5 guard on hit bonus so Inky's a bit more resilient.

I see you gave Sera that Brasca whatever helm, which I find works really well for Dorian's look. I have her wearing the Ardent Blossom helm. She's the only companion I think is really suited for it.

Well I actually have the helms hidden in-game so I'm not too bothered about looks. Dexterity boost plus magic/ranged defense boost means it goes to a ranged rogue which means Sera. :)



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Damn your inability to see beyond your own manufactured terrors about relationships! 

 

Her terror may have been manufactured, but her dialogue clearly demonstrates that she wasn't the manufacturer.


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#96973
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So now in the inventory screen the helmet isn't showing. The only difference I can see is that I'm out of Skyhold now. Weird...

 

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D'Awwwww! So cute!!
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Could have been a skeleton crew onboard for all we knew, the dreadnought itself presented just enough value to see whether Bull would chose the Qun or his men, after all, he was supposedly one of their top agents?
 
It's not like we've not seen the Qunari do these sorts of excercises before, in DA2 the Arishok leaks info about the gaatlok (actually saar-qamek) to see if anyone will attempt to steal it, purposefully sacrificing the token amount of guards he assigns to guard it in order to make it look valuable enough? In that case, he deemed the knowledge of the conspirators plotting against them more valuable than a few guards lives? But, if the conspirators hadn't taken the bait, then they weren't enough of a threat to worry about and his men would still be alive, thus he loses nothing?
 
While it might seem a waste to send a dreadnought on a potentially suicidal mission, the probable reasoning behind doing it that way was because the desired outcome for them was to walk away with both the and Bull's loyalty intact... which means their gamble would have cost them nothing and instead gained them an alliance with the Inquisition? To drag out that (tired) old meme, "Heavy risk, but the priiize".
 
Furthermore, the Qunari's value on the acceptable lose of various assets seem to be flexible when it comes to the success of the mission?
 
In DA2, the Arishok was not angry when Hawke admitted to being forced to kill the Arvaraad (he was actually impressed with both the skill it took and Hawke's honesty), because as far as he was concerned, the mission to recapture and kill the Saarebas was all that mattered and it had been accomplished, while those men were unfortunately collateral damage taken while in service to the greater goal?
 
The Qunari have an extremely alien way of thinking and while they don't usually act without careful consideration, they do seem to be in favour of taking calculated risks if they deem something potentially warrants such gambles to be taken? Losing a gamble however as badly as they can in DAI, is probably why they immediately cut off any prospect of an Alliance and declare Bull Tal-Vashoth?


That explanation would be a lot more convincing if there were anything in the game that actually implied that the writers meant for it to be true. Which there isn't.

Gatt outright states that the mission was partially laid on to test the Iron Bull's reliability and to see how worthwhile a close relationship with the Inquisition would be. But "partially" is a long way from "wholly", and the game offers plenty of other explanations for the mission without ever directly implying that they are meant to be disregarded. (There's more than one instance that indicates that they aren't meant to be disregarded. Asking Bull about the plan gets you an interesting response: he admits he's uncomfortable about the way the plan could go, but ascribes that to the general character of the mission - "too many ways for things to go wrong" - rather than an unnecessarily idiotic plan.) And the way in which the mission went pear-shaped had far too much to do with things outside Qunari control to be particularly plausible as a means of creating the Sophie's Choice for Bull.

It's far easier for me to accept that the writers weren't able to come up with a particularly good plan for the Qunari operation - especially since it's been repeatedly demonstrated that "realistic or plausible warfare" is not something that is in their collective wheelhouse - than it is for me to accept that the Qunari plan was intentionally bad so as to create a moral dilemma on the Bull's part.

In my experience, trying to fix writer errors on one's own is an excellent way to get oneself frustrated without really achieving anything, because invariably the writers themselves will contradict one's headcanon anyway.