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Im glad the bullying in DA:I doesn't reach Merrill style lvl's, i stopped having Merrill, Anders & Fenris in the same party cos it annoyed me so much that Hawke wouldn't say a word about it

  

That is why I don't bring Vivienne anywhere and don't pair up Blackwall/Dorian or Solas/Sera. Blackwall is pretty harsh to Dorian about the Tevinter mage thing and Solas and Sera's banter just annoys me. Stop trying to change my Sera, Solas!


I didn't Mind much in DAI, since it was never One-sided. And there wasn't the feeling of Two companions ganging up on the there like in DA2 <_<.

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That was pretty rough reminded me of my freshman yr

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I didn't Mind much in DAI, since it was never One-sided. And there wasn't the feeling of Two companions ganging up on the there like in DA2 <_<.

It's not as bad as in DA2 but it still bugs me when they insult your LI. Especially after the romance quest when it's "official" and everyone knows. Like if you romance Sera and are a mage, she mentions that Inky is different when she is griping about mages to Solas. Why can't they tone down insulting your LI, when they know about your romance?



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I just want to throw this out here. I was reading reviews for the movie "Pitch Perfect 2" and I remembered Rebel Wilson and started thinking that  Sera reminded me in some ways of Rebel Wilosn. 

 

 

 

Some obvious differences in physique, Stiill they have similiar eyes, eyebrows. mouth., bangs (hair)  Sera's nose seems to be broken and her bridge seems wider. They both have almost child-like voices. Use a fair ammount of  vulgar language, but also have this air of naivety or have certain child like qualities.

 

Just interesting, wonder what people think. I should point out I am not a fan of Pitch Perfect, seems fun but not really my type of moivie, not into BBWs, not that big a fan of Rebel.

 

 

Rebel Wilson being funny. WARNING SEXUAL REFERENCES  and VULGAR LAMGIAGE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPp7kkYsgus



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Sera in 85 (apologies in advance for the size)

 

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source: http://slugette.tumb...0315/sera-in-85


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Don't mind me, just over here doing some reposting ;-)
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That is why I don't bring Vivienne anywhere and don't pair up Blackwall/Dorian or Solas/Sera. Blackwall is pretty harsh to Dorian about the Tevinter mage thing and Solas and Sera's banter just annoys me. Stop trying to change my Sera, Solas! She is perfect the way she is!

 

I actually enjoy a lot of Sera's dialogue with Solas, especially when Solas is getting upset.

 

I always cite this one because it made me laugh:

 

Solas: Our people used to be here.

Sera: Pfft, you say that everywhere.

Solas: It is more true than you want to believe.

Sera: I bet, right? Who wants to think about stepping on dead elves.

Solas: Din elvhen emma him?

Sera: Oh, you felt that one.


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Frankly, Sera always kind of struck me as being the cruel one in all that sort of dialogue with Solas. At least the ones that I heard. She shows a contempt for elves that far outweighs any he showed her.



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I actually enjoy a lot of Sera's dialogue with Solas, especially when Solas is getting upset.
 
I always cite this one because it made me laugh:
 
Solas: Our people used to be here.
Sera: Pfft, you say that everywhere.
Solas: It is more true than you want to believe.
Sera: I bet, right? Who wants to think about stepping on dead elves.
Solas: Din elvhen emma him?
Sera: Oh, you felt that one.


I get why she gets so annoyed with him. He keeps trying to talk to her about elves and the dalish, even though he know that she doesn't care about that kind of stuff. The banter where he speaks elven to her and says something about her possibly feeling the flow of the language is pretty insulting. Its like me speaking Spanish to someone of Latin descent and expecting them to know what I am talking about. I would probably react the same way she did.
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I think it's too short-sighted to dismiss the Solas/Sera relationship as simple hate/dislike. Because it isn't actually. If you keep bringing them along together, they will get a lot more friendly and respectful (as much as Sera is willing to show respect in general). Solas acknowledges her strong will and her readiness to act where others (including himself) only talk. He even admits to be jealous of her motivation and determination. It's not mindless bashing, it's rather like checking foreign territory and overcoming differences in the end. They are not the typical friendly banter people, but they are equals and I actually enjoy listening to this; because Solas hardly ever acknowledges others and Sera gets a sort of respect no other NPC gets from him.


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I forget how it goes exactly but I liked the banter between Sera and Solas where he offers her training to see if she has any dormant magical talent. Once she realizes that he's just messing with her they seem to have reached a "we agree to disagree" attitude towards each other that I found amusing.
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I forget how it goes exactly but I liked the banter between Sera and Solas where he offers her training to see if she has any dormant magical talent. Once she realizes that he's just messing with her they seem to have reached a "we agree to disagree" attitude towards each other that I found amusing.

 

Yeah if you keep taking them out together they do seem to get to a point where they are getting along reasonably. Honestly the only companion she never relates to and who does not relate to her is Viv. 



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I think it's too short-sighted to dismiss the Solas/Sera relationship as simple hate/dislike. Because it isn't actually. If you keep bringing them along together, they will get a lot more friendly and respectful (as much as Sera is willing to show respect in general). Solas acknowledges her strong will and her readiness to act where others (including himself) only talk. He even admits to be jealous of her motivation and determination. It's not mindless bashing, it's rather like checking foreign territory and overcoming differences in the end. They are not the typical friendly banter people, but they are equals and I actually enjoy listening to this; because Solas hardly ever acknowledges others and Sera gets a sort of respect no other NPC gets from him.

Indeed, I found the dynamic between Sera and Solas got even down right friendly towards the last 20% of the narrative. My mage Lavellan play through, I kept my group as Sera/Solas/Bull, I've heard some really good banter between these 3, much better than with other companions.


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Frankly, Sera always kind of struck me as being the cruel one in all that sort of dialogue with Solas. At least the ones that I heard. She shows a contempt for elves that far outweighs any he showed her.

 

She's been on the receiving end of so many years of contempt from other elves that it's not surprising that she gets defensive when he becomes just the latest in a long line of people telling her that she's not elfy enough.


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Frankly, Sera always kind of struck me as being the cruel one in all that sort of dialogue with Solas. At least the ones that I heard. She shows a contempt for elves that far outweighs any he showed her.

 

The impression I get from some of Solas' dialogue is pity, and perhaps even an air of contempt, albeit more subtly. This is especially true with his "you can be more than what you are" claptrap he was on about. In such a position, I'd very likely lash out either to simply be mean or to amuse myself, the latter of which can be pretty satisfying, and generally get the desired outcome of having the other person finally back away.

 

Solas can have sudden moments of sounding like a real pr*ck to the Inquisitor as well, even when approval is warm. If you want to know more about elves from him, he'll make a snide comment about asking Sera instead. And then there's the whole gift thing, where he dismisses human gifts as fleeting. Like, thanks buddy. Why a shem even try? XD


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The impression I get from some of Solas' dialogue is pity, and perhaps even an air of contempt, albeit more subtly. This is especially true with his "you can be more than what you are" claptrap he was on about. In such a position, I'd very likely lash out either to simply be mean or to amuse myself, the latter of which can be pretty satisfying, and generally get the desired outcome of having the other person finally back away.

 

Solas can have sudden moments of sounding like a real pr*ck to the Inquisitor as well, even when approval is warm. If you want to know more about elves from him, he'll make a snide comment about asking Sera instead. And then there's the whole gift thing, where he dismisses human gifts as fleeting. Like, thanks buddy. Why a shem even try? XD

I thought Solas was quite rude to my Quizzy when she tried to ask about a gift for Sera. He was kind of a jerk to her. I mean at that point in the game, I would say that Quizzy is clearly falling in love with Sera and he treats her like crap for trying to get Sera a gift to show her how she feels. I was like: "Thanks for the help, Solas. F*ck you, too. You're getting a punch in the face for that in my next playthrough."


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She's been on the receiving end of so many years of contempt from other elves that it's not surprising that she gets defensive when he becomes just the latest in a long line of people telling her that she's not elfy enough.

 

She basically seems to assume that anyone who identifies as an elf hates her for not being elven enough and decides to preemptively shower them with contempt even if they don't. We've seen examples of elves being truly horrible to those they deem insufficiently elven, such as Velanna or Keeper Thelhen from The Masked Empire. Solas isn't really anything like that level.

 

The best example I can think of is this scene.

 

 

She breaks up with an Inquisitor who believes in the importance of the Temple Mythal because to her that somehow inherently automatically translates to "I hate you and you are stupid."



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She basically seems to assume that anyone who identifies as an elf hates her for not being elven enough and decides to preemptively shower them with contempt even if they don't. We've seen examples of elves being truly horrible to those they deem insufficiently elven, such as Velanna or Keeper Thelhen from The Masked Empire. Solas isn't really anything like that level.

 

The best example I can think of is this scene.

*snip*

 

She breaks up with an Inquisitor who believes in the importance of the Temple Mythal because to her that somehow inherently automatically translates to "I hate you and you are stupid."

The scene is more complicated than just that. She is scared that Quizzy will leave her because she isn't elfy. It's an irrational fear, but she believes it could happen. She just wants Inky to tell her that it is all lies even if she doesn't believe it. I think that by telling her it is all lies, Sera believes that it means she is more important to Quizzy than her faith.


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I thought Solas was quite rude to my Quizzy when she tried to ask about a gift for Sera. He was kind of a jerk to her. I mean at that point in the game, I would say that Quizzy is clearly falling in love with Sera and he treats her like crap for trying to get Sera a gift to show her how she feels. I was like: "Thanks for the help, Solas. F*ck you, too. You're getting a punch in the face for that in my next playthrough."

 

 

Precisely how I felt too, I still feel bitter about how he acts during that situation. He could have simply said "I have no idea, have a good day", but no, he had to be a jerk about it.


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Precisely how I felt too, I still feel bitter about how he acts during that situation. He could have simply said "I have no idea, have a good day", but no, he had to be a jerk about it.

It is worse if you are an elf too. It's like he is disappointed that you would even think about dating Sera. In my headcanon, I like to think that he is jealous because my Quizzy doesn't want his elf junk :P


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It is worse if you are an elf too. Its like he is disappointed that you would even think about dating Sera. In my headcanon, I like to think that he is jealous because my Quizzy doesnt want his elf junk :P

 

Yes that quest is awesome! You get disdain from Solas and contempt from Viv and even better you get to stand there and take it without the option to tell them to go inhale Nug farts for their suggestions. :P


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Yes that quest is awesome! You get disdain from Solas and contempt from Viv and even better you get to stand there and take it without the option to tell them to go inhale Nug farts for their suggestions. :P

 

 

Oh, I would have loved to tell Solas exactly what he should do with his opinions...I don't understand why they didn't put in the option to at least reply to the not-so-nice remarks, instead of just standing there.


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Yes that quest is awesome! You get disdain from Solas and contempt from Viv and even better you get to stand there and take it without the option to tell them to go inhale Nug farts for their suggestions. :P

My headcanon for that is awesome! My Quizzy and Sera go around pranking them all.

 

*Laughs maniacially*

 

That's what you get for talking crap about my Sera.


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Oh, I would have loved to tell Solas exactly what he should do with his opinions...I don't understand why they didn't put in the option to at least reply to the not-so-nice remarks, instead of just standing there.

 

The Quiz is an awfully passive head honcho in this game which is very unfortunate. You're always reacting to things instead of making others do so. I'd like to see this corrected next time. It's like you're playing a heavily armored/powered wuss.

 

My headcanon for that is awesome! My Quizzy and Sera go around pranking them all.

 

*Laughs maniacially*

 

That's what you get for talking crap about my Sera.

 

This is why the prank bit never bothers me. Some of them deserve it.


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