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[Rel Fexive]

SO MANY THINGS. Pull an Isabela and raid every hat shop in Orlais. Go on dinner dates at hole-in-the-wall restaurants and eat the grossest-sounding dish on the menu. Read poetry on rooftops. Stargaze. Sera's probably still trying to make that beaded bracelet out of Inky's hair. They can attend Scout Harding's dance lessons together and enjoy a riotous pinky-stomping afterward (this time it's definitely innuendo). Adaar can tell Sera all about growing up vashoth in a human world, what it was like being a mercenary and if she misses that life. Sera would proudly take Adaar to the most stereotypically romantic and "couple-y" places in Val Royeaux (and punch people in the throat if they called her a cow).

*cries I love them so much*

 

All this and much, much more.

[Xilizhra]

SO MANY THINGS. Pull an Isabela and raid every hat shop in Orlais. Go on dinner dates at hole-in-the-wall restaurants and eat the grossest-sounding dish on the menu. Read poetry on rooftops. Stargaze. Sera's probably still trying to make that beaded bracelet out of Inky's hair. They can attend Scout Harding's dance lessons together and enjoy a riotous pinky-stomping afterward (this time it's definitely innuendo). Adaar can tell Sera all about growing up vashoth in a human world, what it was like being a mercenary and if she misses that life. Sera would proudly take Adaar to the most stereotypically romantic and "couple-y" places in Val Royeaux (and punch people in the throat if they called her a cow).

*cries I love them so much*

Hah, I imagine at least one hat shop would be scandalized by the possibility of a qunari wearing one of their hats, as it'd either have to be balanced on the horns or have holes punched through it, and both would be a terrible insult to artistry.

 

At least I can answer the question about missing mercenary life: not at all. My Adaar was actually planning on leaving the company immediately after the Conclave and possibly joining forces with Fiona; one of the reasons she was there was to check out the mage rebellion and the Chantry.

[vertigomez]

Hah, I imagine at least one hat shop would be scandalized by the possibility of a qunari wearing one of their hats, as it'd either have to be balanced on the horns or have holes punched through it, and both would be a terrible insult to artistry.
 
At least I can answer the question about missing mercenary life: not at all. My Adaar was actually planning on leaving the company immediately after the Conclave and possibly joining forces with Fiona; one of the reasons she was there was to check out the mage rebellion and the Chantry.

Given what we've seen of Orlesian hats, I'm pretty sure putting gaping holes in them can only be considered an improvement.

[Xilizhra]

Unfortunately... er, I can't be enjoyably immersed as a qunari; I keep trying to play one and it never really works. I think it's because I just enjoy being an elf so much; I like both their cultural aspects and their build. And romancing Sera as an elf... well, I've talked about it at length before, but it's not easy. There's just so much conversation that needs to happen and never does; the limitations the game places on personalizing one's character are never so oppressive as they are here.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Unfortunately... er, I can't be enjoyably immersed as a qunari; I keep trying to play one and it never really works. I think it's because I just enjoy being an elf so much; I like both their cultural aspects and their build. And romancing Sera as an elf... well, I've talked about it at length before, but it's not easy. There's just so much conversation that needs to happen and never does; the limitations the game places on personalizing one's character are never so oppressive as they are here.

 

I've talked about this before too, but I don't think any Dalish elf could romance her unless they also largely reject their own culture. Sera doesn't change for anybody. She will never love Lavellan more than she hates Dalish culture. Her conversations with with Solas show she holds nothing but contempt for everything they value. I don't think any amount of conversation options would have changed that. If you are proud of being elven, that's the exact opposite of what she wants in a partner. She's proud of being "not" elven. I don't think there's a middle ground there. I think even if you picked all the right options that trigger a romance with her, she'll tell you the thing she loves you is that you are not elfy.

 

My Dalish character found her attitude offensive enough to almost instantly reject her as a potential romantic partner. And I think you tend to conceive of Dalish player characters that are even more "elfy" than I do.

[AddieTheElf]

I've talked about this before too, but I don't think any Dalish elf could romance her unless they also largely reject their own culture. Sera doesn't change for anybody. She will never love Lavellan more than she hates Dalish culture. Her conversations with with Solas show she holds nothing but contempt for everything they value. I don't think any amount of conversation options would have changed that. If you proud of being elven, that's the exact opposite of what she wants in a partner. She's proud of being "not" elven. I don't think there's a middle ground there. I think even if you picked all the right options that trigger a romance with her, she'll tell you the thing she loves you is that you are not elfy.
 
My Dalish character found her attitude offensive enough to almost instantly reject her as a potential romantic partner. And I think you tend to conceive of Dalish player characters that are even more "elfy" than I do.

I don't think you necessarily have to b largely against your culture, you just need to be accepting, patient, flexible, and not force anything. You can't try to change Sera, she'll come to it on her own, you certainly can't push or force her to it. that would make it worse. I think mostly what she dislikes about being "Elfy" is the judgmental vibe they get, how lost in the past they are. to a point of some - if not most - clans not really doing anything to change the now like how a lot are disapproving of city elves and don't even consider them true elves. i think not being "too elfy" sort of means, you haven't rejected her, turned her away. She doesn't like you showing a favoring of your own race, but she can accept it - as long as you arent a snob or overly prideful. Acceptance is important. rejection is something she fears. maybe more so from elves but you know this all is my take on it

 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I don't think you necessarily have to b largely against your culture, you just need to be accepting, patient, flexible, and not force anything. You can't try to change Sera, she'll come to it on her own, you certainly can't push or force her to it. that would make it worse. I think mostly what she dislikes about being "Elfy" is the judgmental vibe they get, how lost in the past they are. to a point of some - if not most - clans not really doing anything to change the now like how a lot are disapproving of city elves and don't even consider them true elves. i think not being "too elfy" sort of means, you haven't rejected her, turned her away. She doesn't like you showing a favoring of your own race, but she can accept it - as long as you arent a snob or overly prideful. Acceptance is important. rejection is something she fears. maybe more so from elves but you know this all is my take on it

 

In her mind being judgmental and racist is inseparable from identifying as an elf. That's why she hates "elf-iness". So she disapproves of elves having any kind of pride in their race. AND she'll disapprove of having any interest in history (even from non elves). Both of those are what she defines as "elfiness". She'll disapprove of saying the Elf Inquisitor saying "An elf will stand for you all" but approve of any other race saying it. She'll disprove of not killing the Sentinels of Mythal. She constantly shows contempt for the idea of remembering the past and mocks any elves who feel sorrow. She takes a particular glee in being as disrespectful as possible to Solas' interests and by extension anyone who values elven history. 

 

And even regarding the Dalish Clans themselves, she says " 'Glory' squats in the woods and smells like Halla Arse " or that the Temple of Mythal "makes the Dalish look like ****** for living the woods." 

 

It's why she says "Take your elves, I'm just people" if you refuse to abandon your religion. Because she can't or won't separate the concept of "being elven" with hating everyone else. She even says something like "that makes it 'us vs them' and I like 'them'." 

 

It doesn't matter if they are snooty or judgmental or not, if the Inquisitor cares about "being an elf," at the end of the day she will never accept them.

[bustoparadise]

Okay, so, more new storytime.  This time, it's post-Trespasser, with Sera!  Isileth's Story: Mirror, Mirror.

 

 

(yeah, basically, two on the go at different points in time, confusing)

 

Canadian thanksgiving has cut into my fic reading time, but I finally got around to this!

 

Great fic! I love Sera's dialogue--it sounds so in-character. And the joke about Isileth getting teary-eyed was so cute.

[ComedicSociopathy]

It doesn't matter if they are snooty or judgmental or not, if the Inquisitor cares about "being an elf," at the end of the day she will never accept them.

 

That's not true. At least its not true in Trespasser. She's still mad at the individuals that made her feel wrong for not getting Dalish beliefs, but has come to the point that she won't bother being actively angry about it or bring it up with Lavellan. She doesn't get it or wants to get it but since she likes you she's willing to tolerate it and not make an issue about it. Remember, this is the same Sera's whose willing to send one of her agents to look after your clan and the same person who tries to console you after you find your gods were tyrants.

 

So, yeah, she's willing to get over the whole elf, at least to some level.

 

Also, Inquisition kind of craps all over Dalish beliefs anyway. Their refusal to help in the Second Blight was the catalyst for future tensions with Orlais. The fall of the Dales was started by the elves slaughtering a village. The vallaslin are slave tattoos. Their gods were monstrous mage tyrants who murdered Mythal and almost destroyed the world. And the sentinel elves reject the elf Inquisitor and Sera as shems. 

 

Besides, Shartan and the Dalish elves somehow managing not be wiped out by humans after the fall of the Dales, there's not much to be proud when it comes to their history. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Trespasser only recently came out. She does soften her stance but that isn't directly relevant to her relationship with the Inquisitor in the main game and it's not like you can start a romance with her in Trespasser after that happens. Plus, she doesn't really change her mind about much, she's just less bitter and so less likely to go out of her way to actively contemptuous about being elven.

 

And yes, Dragon Age: Inquisition does crap on just about everything Dalish Elves believe in (except the Red Crossing thing, I still don't believe the game suggest elves wiped it out or that they were the aggressors) but in most cases, it's not any special knowledge of that which drives her be so hateful toward elveness. We don't find out about the full extent of the Evanuris' evil until Trespasser. Prior to that, she demands the Inquisitor stop caring about the elven gods on the basis that they were "elfy," not because they were evil false gods.

 

If Lavellan refuses to do so, the exchange is:

 

Sera: And say the other bit.

Inquisitor: What?

Sera: 'You'd get it if you were smarter, if you understood what it meant to be elven.'

 

It doesn't matter if Lavellan doesn't believe or say that, Sera will always ascribe that to her if she believes in being "elven."

[ComedicSociopathy]

Trespasser only recently came out. She does soften her stance but that isn't directly relevant to her relationship with the Inquisitor in the main game and it's not like you can start a romance with her in Trespasser after that happens. Plus, she doesn't really change her mind about much, she's just less bitter and so less likely to go out of her way to actively contemptuous about being elven.  

 

And yes, Dragon Age: Inquisition does crap on just about everything Dalish Elves believe in (except the Red Crossing thing, I still don't believe the game suggest elves wiped it out or that they were the aggressors) but in most cases, it's not any special knowledge of that which drives her be so hateful toward elveness. We don't find out about the full extent of the Evanuris' evil until Trespasser. Prior to that, she demands the Inquisitor stop caring about the elven gods on the basis that they were "elfy," not because they were evil false gods. 

 

If Lavellan refuses to do so, the exchange is:

 

Sera: And say the other bit.

Inquisitor: What?

Sera: 'You'd get it if you were smarter, if you understood what it meant to be elven.'

 

It doesn't matter if Lavellan doesn't believe or say that, Sera will always ascribe that to her if she believes in being "elven." 

 

Well, to be fair you can't tell her about the extent of your beliefs besides the fact that you believe them or whether you'd be willing to accept her beliefs about Andraste. It's all or nothing. Leaving her to assume that you are a proud Dalish elf and lives the way a proper elf is supposed to live. That's what ultimately bothers her. She got rejected by some elves for not understanding what it meant to be elfy and thinks that since your going to do the same, so she forces an ultimatum that she hopes will put an end to that inevitable culture clash so the two of you can focus on having drinks, pulling pranks, making out and having fun. 

 

Anyways, it seems like her ultimatum was a really bad in-the-heat-of-the-moment relationship argument that she forgets about later. She never brings it up again and even asks you whether your alright with about the revelations about your faith in Trespasser, so obviously Lavellan was still practicing on some level. 

 

But, hey, if you can't over it that's fine. I get it. Some people are more frustrated about such issues then I am, especially when it comes to elves in this series. 

[YourFunnyUncle]

Yeah. I RPd my Lavellan as no longer believing in the godhood of the elven pantheon after the Temple of Mythal, having decided that the Dalish gods were probably just powerful magical creatures like Corypheus and not worthy of her worship. That didn't mean she had abandoned all the rest of her Dalish identity, just as Ameridan's Andrastianism didn't mean that he'd abandoned his. She decided that in order to convince Sera that the Dalish were not all judgemental asses, the best course of action was not to argue with her but to act as a living counterexample to Sera's previous interactions - to be accepting instead of argumentative.

 

Come trespasser, she was proved right, as Sera was actively concerned at how the revelations about elven history might have affected her. Yes she's still bitter at those who were mean to her before, but she's no longer dwelling on those times, and is truly worried for the well-being of her Dalish lover.

[Xilizhra]

Well, to be fair you can't tell her about the extent of your beliefs besides the fact that you believe them or whether you'd be willing to accept her beliefs about Andraste. It's all or nothing. Leaving her to assume that you are a proud Dalish elf and lives the way a proper elf is supposed to live. That's what ultimately bothers her. She got rejected by some elves for not understanding what it meant to be elfy and thinks that since your going to do the same, so she forces an ultimatum that she hopes will put an end to that inevitable culture clash so the two of you can focus on having drinks, pulling pranks, making out and having fun. 

 

Anyways, it seems like her ultimatum was a really bad in-the-heat-of-the-moment relationship argument that she forgets about later. She never brings it up again and even asks you whether your alright with about the revelations about your faith in Trespasser, so obviously Lavellan was still practicing on some level. 

 

But, hey, if you can't over it that's fine. I get it. Some people are more frustrated about such issues then I am, especially when it comes to elves in this series. 

That was a poor way to handle it. You should have been able to bring it up again directly in Trespasser; how does one just forget about that kind of thing? It's not about getting over it, it's about whether Sera would do something similarly horrible in the future.

 

Of course, the larger problem with Trespasser is that everything you bring up there should already, realistically, have been talked about before, and the relationship feels terribly, terribly inorganic.

[Dani100]

It's easy for me to play a elf because I'm not invested in the lore, I prefer to play an elf actually. I love that my elf is shorter than Sera and I love them pointy ears but that's the extent of it for me. I've played eight games six have been elves, I enjoy the romance with Sera immensely. I can understand though how difficult it can be for people that are invested in the Dalish lore, this game has been harsh on them and Sera has been harsh. I can feel for people who enjoy the lore especially lesbians who's first lesbian character is so negative towards elves. I think in some ways Sera's attitude in Trespasser is an acknowledgement of mistakes when it comes to how Dalish lovers were treated by Sera in the game. It's easy for Qunari lovers to say just play a Qunari or us that aren't invested to say play a Dalish that doesn't believe but many prefer playing as Dalish believers, they enjoy the lore and it's a shame that many can't enjoy the romance with Sera and I understand why they can't.

[ComedicSociopathy]

That was a poor way to handle it. You should have been able to bring it up again directly in Trespasser; how does one just forget about that kind of thing? It's not about getting over it, it's about whether Sera would do something similarly horrible in the future.

 

Of course, the larger problem with Trespasser is that everything you bring up there should already, realistically, have been talked about before, and the relationship feels terribly, terribly inorganic.

 

Quite true, Xil. But hey, Bioware has only so much time to put into these romances, right?

 

Dorian's drinking problem never gets talked about, your decision to ignore Josephine's peal to not do the duel never gets a serious discussion, you bring Iron Bull's submissive is never negotiated and Cassandra's romance seems to suddenly end in the main game if you make her Divine.

 

So, just assume that the conflict was handled off screen and that Sera sent you a letter to apologize or something. 

[FemHawke FTW]

SO MANY THINGS. Pull an Isabela and raid every hat shop in Orlais. Go on dinner dates at hole-in-the-wall restaurants and eat the grossest-sounding dish on the menu. Read poetry on rooftops. Stargaze. Sera's probably still trying to make that beaded bracelet out of Inky's hair. They can attend Scout Harding's dance lessons together and enjoy a riotous pinky-stomping afterward (this time it's definitely innuendo). Adaar can tell Sera all about growing up vashoth in a human world, what it was like being a mercenary and if she misses that life. Sera would proudly take Adaar to the most stereotypically romantic and "couple-y" places in Val Royeaux (and punch people in the throat if they called her a cow).
*cries I love them so much*

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They could go to their estate in Kirkwall and meet up with Varric, Hawke, and Isabela and they all have a grand time giving Aveline grief. Good times for all!

[Rel Fexive]

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They could go to their estate in Kirkwall and meet up with Varric, Hawke, and Isabela and they all have a grand time giving Aveline grief. Good times for all!

Funny you should mention that, actually

[FemHawke FTW]

Funny you should mention that, actually

What can I say, I felt inspired by a certain well written story

[Rel Fexive]

What can I say, I felt inspired by a certain well written story

 

I can't say all of that will happen, but some of it might!  To be honest, I still don't really have a plan of what's going to occur but I'm pondering plots.

[FemHawke FTW]

Might I suggest a scene of drunken shenanigans at the Hanged Man? Nothing could possibly go wrong with that yeah?

[phishface]

Dunno if it's been said before, but I wanted to say that Sera's comments are a great match for those of us who don't know or care too much about lore etc. Like in Trespasser, when you go into the Deep Roads, she says something like 'Huh? How come elfy mirrors are taking us to Dwarfy tunnels?' Which was exactly what I was thinking at that moment.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Dunno if it's been said before, but I wanted to say that Sera's comments are a great match for those of us who don't know or care too much about lore etc. Like in Trespasser, when you go into the Deep Roads, she says something like 'Huh? How come elfy mirrors are taking us to Dwarfy tunnels?' Which was exactly what I was thinking at that moment.

That's actually an astute observation if you know the lore. Such a thing is pretty much unheard of. Actually if you go back to the Deep Roads after your hand starts being able to explode gaatlok barrels, you can find out why...

 

Here's a slightly edited version of a post I made over in "what did you do today in the DA 'verse."

 

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There's more gaatlok to blow up with the Inquisitor's upgraded hand:

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You can get to another Eluvian...

 

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...Which leads to an "Unknown Ruin" and some veilfire...

 

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In the next chamber is a Fen'Harel statue puzzle.

 

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You have to find a veilfire rune on the wall, and that has some really interesting lore.

 

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The text here is a little vague but the Inquisitor specifically states that the Evanuris were mining Titans!

 

After that bombshell, you can click the button on the Fen'Harel statue, which raises a stairway to light a veilfire brazier, which in turn unlocks the puzzle box on the statue, and you get:

 

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Oh and the entrance that you can blow up isn't hard to find, as most of the level is flooded, but in case:

 

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Cool, huh?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Well, to be fair you can't tell her about the extent of your beliefs besides the fact that you believe them or whether you'd be willing to accept her beliefs about Andraste. It's all or nothing. Leaving her to assume that you are a proud Dalish elf and lives the way a proper elf is supposed to live. That's what ultimately bothers her. She got rejected by some elves for not understanding what it meant to be elfy and thinks that since your going to do the same, so she forces an ultimatum that she hopes will put an end to that inevitable culture clash so the two of you can focus on having drinks, pulling pranks, making out and having fun. 

 

Anyways, it seems like her ultimatum was a really bad in-the-heat-of-the-moment relationship argument that she forgets about later. She never brings it up again and even asks you whether your alright with about the revelations about your faith in Trespasser, so obviously Lavellan was still practicing on some level. 

 

But, hey, if you can't over it that's fine. I get it. Some people are more frustrated about such issues then I am, especially when it comes to elves in this series. 

 

It's still hard for me to see it that way because you can't get back together after that argument if you refuse to acquiesce to her demands. She clearly doesn't forget about or apologize for her behavior in that case.

 

The other thing is that Sera is definitely Andrastian, but she's not particularly religious. And in fact part of her arc in the game is her trying to figure out exactly what it is she does believe about the Maker.

 

This conversation doesn't just apply to Dalish Inquisitors. She will even break up with Andrastian Inquisitors who are interested in the ruins of the Temple of Mythal for non religious reasons. Now demanding your significant other abandon an interest in ancient history is certainly much less unreasonable than demanding they abandon their religion, but if she still breaks up with non elves for being too elfy, it makes her objection feel like it comes less from theological grounds and more from a blanket disgust with "elveness". 

[FemHawke FTW]

I really liked it in Trespasser when

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Sera and her Honey Tongue tie the knot she's so happy she shouts out "You hear that?! Those are OUR bells!" It was really sweet seeing how happy she was to have a family she can belong to. I also thought that it was cute when she wrote in her journal about taking her wife's name.

[vertigomez]

I really liked it in Trespasser when

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Sera and her Honey Tongue tie the knot she's so happy she shouts out "You hear that?! Those are OUR bells!" It was really sweet seeing how happy she was to have a family she can belong to. I also thought that it was cute when she wrote in her journal about taking her wife's name.

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Oh, the name thing really got to me! "That's like family."

brb, there's feelings in my eye...