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[SwobyJ]

So in your made up scenario that doesn't ever actually happen, she got fooled and her biases exposed. She's still doing it for what she believes to be the right reasons. That's not neutral. Her view of the world can be very simplistic at times, sure, but she acts in a way that she believes to be good.
 
Also, she doesn't hate Josephine, Cassandra, Dorian or a noble inquisitor who is nice to her. People can be of noble lineage and on her good side, so I don't think she would do that if presented with evidence that the noble was in fact a decent person.

Actually, you're right. At least mostly. She does at least trend on Good.

I think its just so much else about her that screams Chaotic Neutral to me. Read this and tell me that big parts don't even slightly remind you of her.

 

I think there's a lot of good in Sera but at least for the time being, it seems she focuses it only on her Friends, though IMO DAI implies she can extent that to 'the world' to a degree, and may have a future of caring more about those beyond the Friends.

 

There's a lot of Sera that is arguably Evil, even if you're charmed by her. Psychopathic even. Her level of acceptance or even embrace of violence is NOT something I'd call healthy. But I prefer to look to what I see as her better nature.

 

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UPDATE: Actually, you know what? Fine, she's good. But I think its less because of any reasonable thought process in her, but more that she can sense where others 'are at'. If she didn't have this sense (and I'd love to roll this into an Andruil theory LOL), while still doing her archery Jenny stuff, I think she'd be nothing more than a criminal psycho. I like to think she can read into things well, intuitively, and therefore the 'made up scenario' I used earlier would 'fortuitously' never happen.

I think I really like the idea of Sera being a great, if only at a base level, judge of character. Right enough, most of the time. Things may always be more complicated than she asserts, but her 'ear to the ground' matters.

 

 

Ah, the wonderful mystery of Sera.

 

Anyway, I'm more concerned with her potential (I like to think DA is not done with her) than with notions of Good of Evil in her.

[YourFunnyUncle]

She certainly has a dangerous violent streak and a tendency to lose her temper, but at least as shown in game, that violence is always directed at those she considers to be have done wrong. She doesn't just kill for fun. 

 

As to her intuitive judge of character, I think Sera is actually quite intelligent, but uneducated. She shows some flashes of insight at times, but she doesn't have the means to express herself and I think she probably fears showing herself up, so she tends to dig in and gets combative instead.

[SwobyJ]

She certainly has a dangerous violent streak and a tendency to lose her temper, but at least as shown in game, that violence is always directed at those she considers to be have done wrong. She doesn't just kill for fun. 

 

As to her intuitive judge of character, I think Sera is actually quite intelligent, but uneducated. She shows some flashes of insight at times, but she doesn't have the means to express herself and I think she probably fears showing herself up, so she tends to dig in and gets combative instead.

 

I remember knowing people like that and my instructive side really kicks in with them. I could never fight with Sera, only stay firm and see if she comes along with me.

[Sifr]

 

Also, she doesn't hate Josephine, Cassandra, Dorian or a noble inquisitor who is nice to her. People can be of noble lineage and on her good side, so I don't think she would do that if presented with evidence that the noble was in fact a decent person.

 

We actually see a little of this in her conversations with Varric.

 

At first Sera seems to be a little wary of him because she assumes he's just some noble that's slumming it with them, only to later realise that aside from being loaded, Varric is the kind of bloke who'd rather spend his time playing poker with friends in the pub, than take part in merchant guild meetings.

[GoldenGail3]

She certainly has a dangerous violent streak and a tendency to lose her temper, but at least as shown in game, that violence is always directed at those she considers to be have done wrong. She doesn't just kill for fun. 
 
As to her intuitive judge of character, I think Sera is actually quite intelligent, but uneducated. She shows some flashes of insight at times, but she doesn't have the means to express herself and I think she probably fears showing herself up, so she tends to dig in and gets combative instead.

This is exactly why my Male Lavellan thinks she's awesome; He has a short fuse himself. And he's good friends with her, too. He thinks she's adorable; he just can't help himself.

[AnimalBoy]

I'm a noble Inquisitor who's an all around nice guy and me and Sera are best friends. I actuall prefer to encourage her violent, immature attitude. 

I really don't know how anyone couldn't like her.

[Serza]

I keep thinking about things.

 

Leliana was a Companion in DAO and the protagonist of Leliana's Song DLC. She got a song in Inquisition.

Sera had her first appearance in Inquisition, yet she got a song.

Scout Harding seems to be universally loved, likely to play a massive part in DA4 - she got a song in Trespasser DLC.

 

Leliana already played a MASSIVE part in the overarching story of Dragon Age. Harding was one of the few who appeared in Trespasser epilogue. Along with Charter and the third agent, they're likely to replace Leliana in the role of Spymaster.

 

Where is Sera figuring into all of this? Or did they intend for her to appear for the next ten or twenty years of in-universe time? Do they still, if so?

Will they chicken out, and Sera will become a half-forgotten legend, another Telana, never to be heard from again?

[LorenzEffect]

Right from when I first met her, I figured Sera was someone who would be a socialist or an anarchist in real life. Now when I say anarchist, I don't mean some statist stereotype of a bomb-throwing criminal. Noam Chomsky is an anarcho-syndicalist who defines anarchy as "any system where all authority is questioned, and any authority that cannot satisfactorily answer those questions is dismantled or replaced".

I know a lot of real life anarchists who take part in protests against imperialism and human rights abuses. They aren't nearly as violent as the Red Jennies, but they do get arrested frequently and even get profiled and harassed by our nation's spy agency.

Anyway, Sera would fit right in with them with her views of the nobility. Anarchists would see feudal lords as invariably oppressive to the peasantry, in the same way they see the modern nation-state as nothing more than the decision making committee of the bourgeoisie.

I'm not trying to argue for or against socialism or anarchy here. I'm just trying to make a point about how Sera and the Red Jennies have anarchist characteristics about them. Given their desire to stick up for the peasantry and their opposition to oppression, I'd say that makes them chaotic good.

Solas also has some anarchist characteristics about him, though I don't know if he'd call himself an anarchist. His saying about how all institutions become corrupt is very much in line with anarchist ideas, but he sees revolution as something that he himself can enact as an individual. A real life anarchist would be more inclined to encourage a people's revolution that engages massive populations, rather than relying too much on any one individual.

Ultimately, I do think someone familiar with anarchist ideas is on Dragon Age's writing team.

[Serza]

You lost me when you claimed she'd be a Commie.

[LorenzEffect]

I didn't say that.

There's a difference between socialists, anarchists, and communists. Look them up yourself if you're so curious.

[Serza]

I don't think you looked stuff up too much, mister.

[LorenzEffect]

You're doing absolutely nothing to make a point and only being snide and condescending. If you think I'm wrong, explain yourself instead of just being disdainful.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Serza, communists and anarchists are not the same thing. Certainly the sort of communism that had power in eastern Europe had very little to do with anarchism. The power of the state was huge and that's the antithesis of anarchism.

As to Sera, while she does have some anarchist leanings, she also recognises that someone will always grab power. She just wants to mess with the nobles but she has no plans to change things permanently. Her banters with Solas are quite revealing in that regard.

[LorenzEffect]

The USSR was communist in name only. The means of production were still owned by a wealthy elite, they just happened to be members of the state.

[LorenzEffect]

[snip]
As to Sera, while she does have some anarchist leanings, she also recognises that someone will always grab power. She just wants to mess with the nobles but she has no plans to change things permanently. Her banters with Solas are quite revealing in that regard.

That's why I say she has anarchist *characteristics*.

[FemHawke FTW]

This is exactly why my Male Lavellan thinks she's awesome; He has a short fuse himself. And he's good friends with her, too. He thinks she's adorable; he just can't help himself.

My male Cadash felt the same way! They had so much fun running around Thedas together

 

I really don't know how anyone couldn't like her.

Some people are weird yeah?

[Serza]

This person claimed "Socialist". One breeds the other.

[GoldenGail3]

My male Cadash felt the same way! They had so much fun running around Thedas together

 

 

Yeah! 

[YourFunnyUncle]

This person claimed "Socialist". One breeds the other.

You sound like an uniformed American, now. That's demonstrably not true. There were socialist parties in power in democracies across western Europe during the cold war and beyond and those countries didn't defect to the Warsaw pact.

[Serza]

Or maybe someone who comes from the former eastern block?

[YourFunnyUncle]

Or maybe someone who comes from the former eastern block?

I know where you're from! I understand that the wounds in your country are still fresh, but saying that socialism necessarily begets communism is like saying that right-wing conservatism must lead to fascism. And as has been stated, what your country suffered was not true communism but dictatorship wrapped in communist clothing, imposed by an external power.

Now one could argue as Sera does that you'll never get real communism because someone will grab power and corrupt it, and that'd probably be right. That's why I think you need a strong stable democracy. Then you can have people from either side of the political spectrum gain power but be removed before they snatch it indefinitely.

(See how I kept us on topic? )

[FemHawke FTW]

 
(I like to think DA is not done with her)

Sera in Minrathous for DA4! It's too cool not to happen

[The Loyal Nub]

Or maybe someone who comes from the former eastern block?

 

Western European Socialist Parties were/are vastly different than their eastern counterparts and Social Democracy is something the former eastern bloc countries never experienced.

 

Two night and day examples from my life.

 

In the summer of 1985 I crossed checkpoint charlie into East Berlin for two days with a class. For two days we were followed around by two men in fedoras and black trench-coats (like could they not have been more obvious?). The food was pretty bad. The people poorly dressed in comparison to West Berlin. The air-pollution was palpable and I just got this terrible sense of anxiety and boredom. When on the train out I asked to take a picture of a soldier at the bahnhof he pointed his Kalashnikov at me in response with something like "nichts" barked at me. Soviet Communism, right there.

 

In the spring of 1988 I visited Bologna in Italy. It was run, at the time, by  city government led by the Italian Communist Party which practiced a western-European oriented "communism" or so they claimed. It was clean, neat, fashionable, modern, and had a really nice McDonalds near the city center. No Kalashnikov's and much less grime and desperation. No fedoras or black trench-coats either.

 

I know Sera would have hated East Berlin and probably caused a lot of mayhem. But then she strikes me as more of a personal-anarchist than a philosophical one. She does not mind the state being around as long as it isn't too pushy.

[Rel Fexive]

I'm afraid I tend to laugh when people say "the Commies!" because they are really talking about a military/oligarchy dictatorship that had/has nothing to do with communism as a political concept at all.

 

 

But I think we should move on from this topic, yeah?

[The Loyal Nub]

Just started a playthrough with an old save. My elf who romanced Sera. Started it to do the three dlc with that character and get the Sera nuptials. What I've realized is how under-powered that character is right now for the road ahead. I fear some anguish in the deep roads until she gets some better gear and the 12 hp potions perk!!