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[Xilizhra]

They seem clearly to be setting him up as the antagonist, if not for the next game, then at some time in the future. That doesn't mean that you won't be able to oppose his plans by seeking an alternate means of "fixing the planet" that doesn't involve destroying all sentient life that's connected to the fade, as opposed to simply destroying him.

 

I actually have a feeling that the Dwarves will be connected to whatever solution they come up with. They are, after all, separate from the fade and conventional magic.

 

As to Sera returning, I could see what Nub is suggesting, but I don't know... It depends on how long after Inquisition the game is set.

But that doesn't even require opposing him! That's why I hate the ending of Trespasser; working with him and trying to redirect him would work just as well.

[vertigomez]

But that doesn't even require opposing him! That's why I hate the ending of Trespasser; working with him and trying to redirect him would work just as well.

For all of Solas's talk about shades of grey, he seems like an all or nothing sorta guy. At this point we just don't know if there is a happy medium between nuking the planet and leaving things 'broken'.

We'll just have to wait and see.

[The Loyal Nub]

I do not want Solas to be an antagonist, or at least not an obvious one. I believe in his cause, I just also believe that it needs to be carried out in a less destructive way. Attempting to paint the entire concept of wanting to fix the damn planet as evil is ****** asinine.

 

He already is an antagonist by virtue of desiring the destruction of a world inhabited by more than just Elves. Solas is a Elven Supremacist and although he speaks in a soft manner and with a trace of sadness he has awful ideas. He is also an egomaniac who believes it is his sole right to decide the fates of others. I don't think a "fix" for Thedas should involve wiping out Humans, Dwarves, Qunari and whoever else!

 

They seem clearly to be setting him up as the antagonist, if not for the next game, then at some time in the future. That doesn't mean that you won't be able to oppose his plans by seeking an alternate means of "fixing the planet" that doesn't involve destroying all sentient life that's connected to the fade, as opposed to simply destroying him.

 

I actually have a feeling that the Dwarves will be connected to whatever solution they come up with. They are, after all, separate from the fade and conventional magic.

 

As to Sera returning, I could see what Nub is suggesting, but I don't know... It depends on how long after Inquisition the game is set.

 

I think you're right about the Dwarves given that we've now seen one who can do magic.

 

I also agree that Solas could be a more nuanced big bad in that we can oppose him and maybe even redeem him or awaken him to just how awfully wrong he is.

 

I don't think the next game can be set too long after the event of Inquisition given that the end of Trespasser shows agents will be sent out to find Solas. I would think no more than two years tops.

[PreciousPisces]

I'm doing my fourth playthrough, and this time I am attempting to romance Sera. I'm starting to worry though. I've been waiting around for the romance to move along and it's just not going anywhere now. And after reading about some issues - some people think there might be a bug, others say that you just have to do certain things super early in the game that I was unaware of - I'm worried that I've wasted all this time on romancing her just to get nowhere. If it helps, I play on XBox.

 

So far, I've flirted with her every chance the heart icon comes up as a dialogue option. I've completed three war-table missions for her, including the march. I always bring her along on missions as my rogue. I've done pranks with her and ate cookies on the roof. I do whatever I can to get approval. And even though I didn't let her kill that noble, when we got back to Skyhold I apologized and said I was just trying to do the right thing, I got "Sera Greatly Approves."

 

I've been avoiding Wicked Eyes because I read somewhere that if you don't have a secured romance with her before then, it won't come up later. Plus, I want a romance with her before I go so I can get a dance scene at the end. Currently, I'm playing through Into the Abyss. 

 

What am I missing? What have I not done yet that will initiate the romance option? Please tell me I haven't missed it for some reason.

 

Thanks for the help.

[The Loyal Nub]

I'm doing my fourth playthrough, and this time I am attempting to romance Sera. I'm starting to worry though. I've been waiting around for the romance to move along and it's just not going anywhere now. And after reading about some issues - some people think there might be a bug, others say that you just have to do certain things super early in the game that I was unaware of - I'm worried that I've wasted all this time on romancing her just to get nowhere. If it helps, I play on XBox.

 

So far, I've flirted with her every chance the heart icon comes up as a dialogue option. I've completed three war-table missions for her, including the march. I always bring her along on missions as my rogue. I've done pranks with her and ate cookies on the roof. I do whatever I can to get approval. And even though I didn't let her kill that noble, when we got back to Skyhold I apologized and said I was just trying to do the right thing, I got "Sera Greatly Approves."

 

I've been avoiding Wicked Eyes because I read somewhere that if you don't have a secured romance with her before then, it won't come up later. Plus, I want a romance with her before I go so I can get a dance scene at the end. Currently, I'm playing through Into the Abyss. 

 

What am I missing? What have I not done yet that will initiate the romance option? Please tell me I haven't missed it for some reason.

 

Thanks for the help.

 

Hmm. If you got the approval after the personal mission, did all her other missions, and did the pranks then you should get a dialogue option in a discussion with her for "where is our relationship heading?" at which point she should mention she has noticed your flirting. Try to talk to her again and look for all dialogue options. It should be there if you have high approval and have done her quests.

[YourFunnyUncle]

I'm doing my fourth playthrough, and this time I am attempting to romance Sera. I'm starting to worry though. I've been waiting around for the romance to move along and it's just not going anywhere now. And after reading about some issues - some people think there might be a bug, others say that you just have to do certain things super early in the game that I was unaware of - I'm worried that I've wasted all this time on romancing her just to get nowhere. If it helps, I play on XBox.

So far, I've flirted with her every chance the heart icon comes up as a dialogue option. I've completed three war-table missions for her, including the march. I always bring her along on missions as my rogue. I've done pranks with her and ate cookies on the roof. I do whatever I can to get approval. And even though I didn't let her kill that noble, when we got back to Skyhold I apologized and said I was just trying to do the right thing, I got "Sera Greatly Approves."

I've been avoiding Wicked Eyes because I read somewhere that if you don't have a secured romance with her before then, it won't come up later. Plus, I want a romance with her before I go so I can get a dance scene at the end. Currently, I'm playing through Into the Abyss.

What am I missing? What have I not done yet that will initiate the romance option? Please tell me I haven't missed it for some reason.

Thanks for the help.

Have you exhausted all the dialogue options short of kicking her out? There's one that looks like it might be a bit mean (something like "now I get why you're not a normal elf") but it actually isn't.

You need to do that for the romance to progress and not doing it is one of the most common reasons why people can't advance.

[PreciousPisces]

Hmm. If you got the approval after the personal mission, did all her other missions, and did the pranks then you should get a dialogue option in a discussion with her for "where is our relationship heading?" at which point she should mention she has noticed your flirting. Try to talk to her again and look for all dialogue options. It should be there if you have high approval and have done her quests.

 

Ok. Hopefully after Into the Abyss, I'll have an option or new cut scene with Sera when we get back to Skyhold. So far, whenever I choose the flirt option, my Inquisitor just says that she'd like them to get to know each other better. To which Sera always replies, she needs to travel more first and we'll see. 

 

Here's hoping after Into the Abyss I get somewhere. 

[PreciousPisces]

Have you exhausted all the dialogue options short of kicking her out? There's one that looks like it might be a bit mean (something like "now I get why you're not a normal elf") but it actually isn't.

You need to do that for the romance to progress and not doing it is one of the most common reasons why people can't advance.

 

Is that in one of the dialogue options where you can ask about her past? I see those and have been avoiding them because I had read that she doesn't like talking about her past - that it'll get you disapproval. Which one exactly is it? 

 

Thanks for helping!

[Xilizhra]

For all of Solas's talk about shades of grey, he seems like an all or nothing sorta guy. At this point we just don't know if there is a happy medium between nuking the planet and leaving things 'broken'.

We'll just have to wait and see.

If it really is that stark... well, for one thing, it's terrible writing. For another thing, I don't know what my answer would be.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Is that in one of the dialogue options where you can ask about her past? I see those and have been avoiding them because I had read that she doesn't like talking about her past - that it'll get you disapproval. Which one exactly is it?

Thanks for helping!

Yes that's the one. You think she'll disapprove but she doesn't. You need to ask everything that you can. Then next time you talk you should get the scene that starts her romance quest.

[vertigomez]

If it really is that stark... well, for one thing, it's terrible writing. For another thing, I don't know what my answer would be.

I don't know about terrible writing. The creation of the Veil had a catastrophic effect on the world; we know from the Breach that tearing it apart isn't any better.

We honestly won't know until we get more information, which isn't going to happen until we get a new game (or at least new novels, comics, etc. hinting at the future...).

[The Loyal Nub]

If it really is that stark... well, for one thing, it's terrible writing. For another thing, I don't know what my answer would be.

 

I didn't find it to be terrible writing. It actually made Solas a more compelling character and villain than the one we got in DAI. Solas is far more complex in his motivations than Corypheus and the ending of Trespasser made clear that perhaps we hadn't really faced the real big bad we thought we had for it turned out to be Solas who was responsible for so much misery in the world and all of it's misfortune. Cory turned out to be a bit of a hack as a villain. Solas is cut from much grander, more subtle, cloth!

 

Your answer should never be "everybody must die so the Elves can stride the world like gods." Even if you love Elves more than any other it should never be that and possibly because you love Elves it should not be that!

[Xilizhra]

I don't know about terrible writing. The creation of the Veil had a catastrophic effect on the world; we know from the Breach that tearing it apart isn't any better.

We honestly won't know until we get more information, which isn't going to happen until we get a new game (or at least new novels, comics, etc. hinting at the future...).

The problem with the writing here is that it fundamentally should not be presented as a bad thing to restore that which was destroyed in the past. It should not be a bad thing to bring magic back into the world, and it should especially not be a bad thing to improve the status of elves to the point where they're at least equal to humans.

 

 

Your answer should never be "everybody must die so the Elves can stride the world like gods." Even if you love Elves more than any other it should never be that and possibly because you love Elves it should not be that!

I don't believe that everyone should die, no, but I also don't believe that we have a right to stop working on fixing the world, once we know that it's broken.

[The Loyal Nub]

I don't believe that everyone should die, no, but I also don't believe that we have a right to stop working on fixing the world, once we know that it's broken.

 

Is it broken? Or is it merely how it is. Does "fixing" it mean blowing it up again? Sure there are Darkspawn but BioWare have hinted that some are intelligent and maybe there exists an option with them as well. People are working on compromises for how to deal with magic and it's attendant problems. People are searching for diplomatic solutions to all sorts of problems. One of the great themes of this series is how one must not only be a fighter but a negotiator. You can stop a war between Orlais and Ferelden. You can advocate for justice for Elves and try to get the Chantry to address it's past wrongs. You can negotiate in good faith with Dwarves and Avaar. 

 

The whole spirit of the Inquistor, the thing that was most noble about our hero, is this spirit of diplomacy and compromise and not just a reliance on force. We can teach Leliana restraint and we do. But somehow, in his arrogance, this lesson is entirely lost on Solas. He goes through the entire story learning not one damn thing from all of the encounters the Inquisition has. He is revealed at the end as a fool and a dangerous one.

[vertigomez]

The problem with the writing here is that it fundamentally should not be presented as a bad thing to restore that which was destroyed in the past. It should not be a bad thing to bring magic back into the world, and it should especially not be a bad thing to improve the status of elves to the point where they're at least equal to humans.

It's not a bad thing to restore the past... unless you're doing it at the expense of actual, living people today.

I agree that it's absolutely not a bad thing to want to help elves achieve equality, but I don't think destroying everything else so elves come out on top is the way to do it. I would never sacrifice a town to save an ancient monument, no matter how much of a history buff I am.
 

I don't believe that everyone should die, no, but I also don't believe that we have a right to stop working on fixing the world, once we know that it's broken.

But you're making that decision for other people, just like Solas did when he initially created the Veil. He took it upon himself to decide the fate of a people, of all people, and look what happened. What if the dwarves don't want magic? What if the qunari don't want to be... whatever they were before? There are going to be unforeseen consequences. I'm not saying they're all negative, but to a lot of people living today, they will be.

[Xilizhra]

It's not a bad thing to restore the past... unless you're doing it at the expense of actual, living people today.

I agree that it's absolutely not a bad thing to want to help elves achieve equality, but I don't think destroying everything else so elves come out on top is the way to do it. I would never sacrifice a town to save an ancient monument, no matter how much of a history buff I am.

This isn't about monuments. This isn't even about history. This is about a world with a ruined natural environment, and trying to clean that up. If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't really care that much about elven history if I was able to give them equality in the here and now, but the Veil should not exist, and I don't see an acceptable way to allow to continue to exist.

 

 

But you're making that decision for other people, just like Solas did when he initially created the Veil. He took it upon himself to decide the fate of a people, of all people, and look what happened. What if the dwarves don't want magic? What if the qunari don't want to be... whatever they were before? There are going to be unforeseen consequences. I'm not saying they're all negative, but to a lot of people living today, they will be.

I cannot see why a previous mistake makes it a bad idea to undo that previous mistake.

 

 

Is it broken? Or is it merely how it is. Does "fixing" it mean blowing it up again? Sure there are Darkspawn but BioWare have hinted that some are intelligent and maybe there exists an option with them as well. People are working on compromises for how to deal with magic and it's attendant problems. People are searching for diplomatic solutions to all sorts of problems. One of the great themes of this series is how one must not only be a fighter but a negotiator. You can stop a war between Orlais and Ferelden. You can advocate for justice for Elves and try to get the Chantry to address it's past wrongs. You can negotiate in good faith with Dwarves and Avaar. 

 

The whole spirit of the Inquistor, the thing that was most noble about our hero, is this spirit of diplomacy and compromise and not just a reliance on force. We can teach Leliana restraint and we do. But somehow, in his arrogance, this lesson is entirely lost on Solas. He goes through the entire story learning not one damn thing from all of the encounters the Inquisition has. He is revealed at the end as a fool and a dangerous one.

It is broken! The Veil is an abomination. Destroying it should be done carefully enough to not actually kill anyone, yes, and that would likely require negotiation, but we should absolutely not just let it go.

[The Loyal Nub]

I cannot see why a previous mistake makes it a bad idea to undo that previous mistake.

 

 

It is broken! The Veil is an abomination. Destroying it should be done carefully enough to not actually kill anyone, yes, and that would likely require negotiation, but we should absolutely not just let it go.

 

Two wrongs won't make a right?

 

You can look at it being broken or you can look at it being something that exists and yet people have still been born, loved, and lived in Thedas. Do you imagine that reversing what Solas did and getting rid of the Veil will make people safer in Thedas? Will evil cease to exist? Will that be the end of all struggle? 

[vertigomez]

This isn't about monuments. This isn't even about history. This is about a world with a ruined natural environment, and trying to clean that up. If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't really care that much about elven history if I was able to give them equality in the here and now, but the Veil should not exist, and I don't see an acceptable way to allow to continue to exist.

I cannot see why a previous mistake makes it a bad idea to undo that previous mistake.

The point isn't the mistake. It's making that decision for people who never wanted or asked for it.

It is broken! The Veil is an abomination. Destroying it should be done carefully enough to not actually kill anyone, yes, and that would likely require negotiation, but we should absolutely not just let it go.

But we don't know that careful is possible.

[YourFunnyUncle]

The dwarves clearly co-existed with the ancient elves and they have no connection to the fade for whatever reason. It seems as though removing it would kill modern elves, humans and Qunari, but I'm not sure that it would affect dwarves...

[Xilizhra]

Two wrongs won't make a right?

 

You can look at it being broken or you can look at it being something that exists and yet people have still been born, loved, and lived in Thedas. Do you imagine that reversing what Solas did and getting rid of the Veil will make people safer in Thedas? Will evil cease to exist? Will that be the end of all struggle? 

It's remarkably easy to be born, love and live in many intolerable conditions. My concern is for those who could not. And obviously, it won't be the end of all struggle; that's a much longer way off. But whether it'd make them safer... well, it should get rid of demons, if there's no longer a need in spirits to understand the mortal world that can go wrong. That'd be a plus.

[Xilizhra]

The point isn't the mistake. It's making that decision for people who never wanted or asked for it.

No one asked to live in a world with a sundered Veil either. Inaction is a choice as surely as action.

[vertigomez]

No one asked to live in a world with a sundered Veil either. Inaction is a choice as surely as action.

And I condemn Solas for his first decision as surely as I condemn him for the second.

[The Loyal Nub]

It's remarkably easy to be born, love and live in many intolerable conditions. My concern is for those who could not. And obviously, it won't be the end of all struggle; that's a much longer way off. But whether it'd make them safer... well, it should get rid of demons, if there's no longer a need in spirits to understand the mortal world that can go wrong. That'd be a plus.

 

If you're convinced that demons can only enter the world in one way. I'd have to be convinced that magic would cease to exist because it seems to me that demons do not do much in Thedas that does not require some assistance from someone on the other side who possesses great power. Ways to circumvent the lack of a veil would no doubt be found. Just not convinced that Solas requires steering onto a gentler path or that the world needs to do away with the veil to be better off. 

[vertigomez]

The dwarves clearly co-existed with the ancient elves and they have no connection to the fade for whatever reason. It seems as though removing it would kill modern elves, humans and Qunari, but I'm not sure that it would affect dwarves...

Well, he says "your people" in his speech to a Dwarfquisitor as well, so I'm assuming they're screwed too.

[Xilizhra]

And I condemn Solas for his first decision as surely as I condemn him for the second.

And the Inquisitor's inaction in such a case is just a reinforcement of Solas' first action.

 

 

If you're convinced that demons can only enter the world in one way. I'd have to be convinced that magic would cease to exist because it seems to me that demons do not do much in Thedas that does not require some assistance from someone on the other side who possesses great power. Ways to circumvent the lack of a veil would no doubt be found. Just not convinced that Solas requires steering onto a gentler path or that the world needs to do away with the veil to be better off. 

Everyone would have magic, but I suspect no one would need to fear possession.