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[FemHawke FTW]

I'M NOT CRYIN, UR CRYIN

Awes! Right in the warm fuzzies

[vertigomez]

Right?! And that's such a Sera line: she says that people stare... 'cause we look so good together.

[Bowie Hawkins]

I'm going through Jaws of Hakkon on my current playthrough, and Sera's comments on the A Father's Name quest are yet another thing that make her great.

 

I love how, when the hunt master tells you that if the wounded boy doesn't give the offering for his father's funeral he'll be disowned, her outrage as she asks "If he doesn't do this, he's the wrong kind of elf" and that when you get the last part of the offering she demands that you let the boy be the one to turn it in. 

[Xilizhra]

I'm going through Jaws of Hakkon on my current playthrough, and Sera's comments on the A Father's Name quest are yet another thing that make her great.

 

I love how, when the hunt master tells you that if the wounded boy doesn't give the offering for his father's funeral he'll be disowned, her outrage as she asks "If he doesn't do this, he's the wrong kind of elf" and that when you get the last part of the offering she demands that you let the boy be the one to turn it in. 

Her comments on A Father's Name are great. Her comments on that hunting-Ameridan's-memories quest at the end are vile.

[Bowie Hawkins]

Her comments on A Father's Name are great. Her comments on that hunting-Ameridan's-memories quest at the end are vile.

 

You mean when she says "Ohh, he’s one of those. Elfy elves don’t like that these days. Or anything" about how modern Dalish elves (like the ones that have told her she's not a "proper elf" before) hate the idea of elves incorporating anything related to Andraste into their religious beliefs? 

[Xilizhra]

You mean when she says "Ohh, he’s one of those. Elfy elves don’t like that these days. Or anything" about how modern Dalish elves (like the ones that have told her she's not a "proper elf" before) hate the idea of elves incorporating anything related to Andraste into their religious beliefs? 

That's annoying, but the vile bit is when she goes into victim-blaming the Dalish for their state.

[YourFunnyUncle]

You mean when she says "Ohh, he’s one of those. Elfy elves don’t like that these days. Or anything" about how modern Dalish elves (like the ones that have told her she's not a "proper elf" before) hate the idea of elves incorporating anything related to Andraste into their religious beliefs? 

 

She means this exchange:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[YourFunnyUncle]

I'M NOT CRYIN, UR CRYIN

 Looks too much like my Solasmancer. Disconnect!

 

[Rel Fexive]

That's annoying, but the vile bit is when she goes into victim-blaming the Dalish for their state.

 

She means this exchange:
 

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Looks like Cassandra starts it to me.  And "they didn't help us against the Blight!" is a pretty good reason to dislike/distrust a people who really should have helped you and thus everyone.... but a pretty weak justification for laying waste to the Dales.  That whole situation was way more complicated than just one or two reasons, and both sides brought what happened upon themselves, as usual.

[vertigomez]

Looks too much like my Solasmancer. Disconnect!
 

Ha! That's uncanny.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Looks like Cassandra starts it to me. And "they didn't help us against the Blight!" is a pretty good reason to dislike/distrust a people who really should have helped you and thus everyone.... but a pretty weak justification for laying waste to the Dales. That whole situation was way more complicated than just one or two reasons, and both sides brought what happened upon themselves, as usual.

I don't know how it plays out if Cass isn't in your team, but I agree. I think that the elves should've helped fight the blight. The overreaction from the Orlesians was unforgivable, but had the elves done the right thing at a time of world crisis, it wouldn't have happened. I don't believe that highlighting such an obvious fact amounts to victim blaming, because what the elves did was wrong.

A person who takes a short cut down a dark alley and gets mugged didn't do anything wrong. A woman who wears sexy clothes and is raped didn't do anything wrong. In those cases victim blaming is a problem. The elves refused to help at a time of peril to all of Thedas. That's not an innocent course of action, even if the overreaction to it was even more horrible and certainly unjustified.

[Daerog]

Okay, this is a Sera thread, but I have to say that the whole "elves didn't help" was not the reason the Dales fell. It added to the distrust, but no one else bothered to help Orlais when it was losing against the Dales (I like to imagine the other nations were laughing).

It was only because the elves threatened the Sunburst Throne that things got nasty, because while other nations may not care for Orlais or its squabble with the elves, all human nations cared about the Sunburst Throne.

On topic: Yay, Sera!

[YourFunnyUncle]

Okay, this is a Sera thread, but I have to say that the whole "elves didn't help" was not the reason the Dales fell. It added to the distrust, but no one else bothered to help Orlais when it was losing against the Dales (I like to imagine the other nations were laughing).

It was only because the elves threatened the Sunburst Throne that things got nasty, because while other nations may not care for Orlais or its squabble with the elves, all human nations cared about the Sunburst Throne.

On topic: Yay, Sera!

Er... Actually the exalted march against the Dales featured 100% Orlesian forces. No one else helped.

[Daerog]

Er... Actually the exalted march against the Dales featured 100% Orlesian forces. No one else helped.

Oh? I know it was mainly Orlais, but I thought token forces were sent due to the Exalted March being called.

Was it really just Chantry forces that turned the tide?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Oh? I know it was mainly Orlais, but I thought token forces were sent due to the Exalted March being called.

Was it really just Chantry forces that turned the tide?

Yeah World of Thedas 1 says "Orlais was the only nation to commit troops."

[FemHawke FTW]

On topic: Yay, Sera!

I like the way you think

[Bowie Hawkins]

That's annoying, but the vile bit is when she goes into victim-blaming the Dalish for their state.

 

She's not doing that, though. She's comparing the elves refusing to offer any assistance to Orlais during the Second Blight to Lady Emmaud teaching her to hate the baker rather than risk her finding out that she couldn't bake.

[Xilizhra]

I don't know how it plays out if Cass isn't in your team, but I agree. I think that the elves should've helped fight the blight. The overreaction from the Orlesians was unforgivable, but had the elves done the right thing at a time of world crisis, it wouldn't have happened. I don't believe that highlighting such an obvious fact amounts to victim blaming, because what the elves did was wrong.

A person who takes a short cut down a dark alley and gets mugged didn't do anything wrong. A woman who wears sexy clothes and is raped didn't do anything wrong. In those cases victim blaming is a problem. The elves refused to help at a time of peril to all of Thedas. That's not an innocent course of action, even if the overreaction to it was even more horrible and certainly unjustified.

 

She's not doing that, though. She's comparing the elves refusing to offer any assistance to Orlais during the Second Blight to Lady Emmaud teaching her to hate the baker rather than risk her finding out that she couldn't bake.

Unless the elves were violating a mutual defense pact with Orlais, which they weren't, I wouldn't call this wrong. It might be unwise, but I see no reason why one should be morally obligated to help a rival nation in wartime.

[Rel Fexive]

Unless the elves were violating a mutual defense pact with Orlais, which they weren't, I wouldn't call this wrong. It might be unwise, but I see no reason why one should be morally obligated to help a rival nation in wartime.

 

It was not a territorial spat or a bit of political manoeuvring dressed in military uniforms.  IT. WAS. A. BLIGHT.

[Xilizhra]

It was not a territorial spat or a bit of political manoeuvring dressed in military uniforms.  IT. WAS. A. BLIGHT.

And Orlais won. The elves were clearly correct in their assessment.

[Rel Fexive]

I've remembered why I blocked your stubbornly blind and dumb ass now.  So I've done it again.

[The Elder King]

And Orlais won. The elves were clearly correct in their assessment.

If doesn't change the fact that many innocent people died and wouldn't if the elves helped. And even without considering the Orlesians, it was an enormous Risk for the elves as well. The Blight might've spread to the Dales, and even if they would've stopped it, part of their territories would've been corrupted by the Blight. I'd call it a stupid choice, other then wrong.

[Xilizhra]

If doesn't change the fact that many innocent people died and wouldn't if the elves helped. And even without considering the Orlesians, it was an enormous Risk for the elves as well. The Blight might've spread to the Dales, and even if they would've stopped it, part of their territories would've been corrupted by the Blight. I'd call it a stupid choice, other then wrong.

So the innocent elves who would have died if they had participated aren't a factor?

[The Elder King]

So the innocent elves who would have died if they had participated aren't a factor?

You mean the soldiers? They do count, but again, my Logic is based on the fact that helping Orlais would've end the Blight quickly and decrease the Risk of it spreading to the Dales. It wasn't just about saving Orlais.
Regardless, I do think that in cases like the Blight every country should help, even if if means some of your people might die.
Mind you, I don't think Orlais is better. Without Drakon they would've never helped the Dales in the opposite case, and later they didn't help the Free Marches.

[Daerog]

If the Dales fought in that Blight, Sera's ancestors may have died and you wouldn't have Sera in the present.

If it wasn't for their isolationism, we would have been stuck with Solas as the only elf in Inquisition and Thedas would have one less Red Jenny.