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[Pasquale1234]

I agree that she probably turned down the money because she felt it was somewhat "tainted", perhaps thinking it might corrupt her in some way. It might be why she takes a while to warm to Varric during their party banter, not trusting him because she doesn't know why a noble would act like a commoner?

It's interesting that you'd mention that.

I've been having a bit of trouble wrapping my head around why Sera would go for the Inquisitor, who is - or becomes - the most powerful individual in Thedas.

I mean, I guess she volunteers to help with the Inquisition because she sees the harm caused initially by the rifts, and later the threat posted by Corypheetits. She really hates nobles, and is all about fighting the power, but is not at all intimidated by the Inquisitor.

Just when I think I have her figured out. Heh.

[vertigomez]

It's interesting that you'd mention that.I've been having a bit of trouble wrapping my head around why Sera would go for the Inquisitor, who is - or becomes - the most powerful individual in Thedas.

Like she says, "I just need you to stay you." She first nicknames the Inquisitor "Inky" (or for non-romanced Inquisitors, Her Gracious Ladybits et al) because she thinks titles are stupid and if you're friends or lovers, she wants you to be more than THE HERALD OF ANDRASTE or THE INQUISITOR. She likes it when you're people and not a figurehead. In Haven she even says that it's a good thing you're on the Jennys' good side while you're still Little, because if you're Big someone may have a bone to pick with you.

So basically as long as you demonstrate that your priority is being a person and not The Most Powerful Individual In Thedas, you're good.

[Pasquale1234]

Yes. The answer is emphatically yes. Her family agrees with her openly dating the Inquisitor, the epilogue mentions the Inquisitor being seen as a member of the family, and the devs say that it is perfectly accepted headcanon that they get married. As for her position, at the end of the game she stops being an ambassador to take her position as head of the Montilyet family, so nothing to worry about there. Plus even if she stayed an ambassador, most people saw it as a good partnership rather than being scandalous in a negative way. This all apllies regardless of race, race, or class.

I'm willing to take your word for it.

But I still think marriage is treated differently in Thedas. It isn't entirely a romantic thing, but often has more to do with bloodlines and inheritance, particularly among nobles.

Also - lovers and other close friends can also be seen as members of the family.
 

You mention the marriage for Sera being the culmination of her arc, yet marrying Josephine is exponentially more so since again, her romance quest is literally dueling her fiance for her hand.

That's one way of looking at it. Another is to see that duel as a way to swat a pest.

Wrt Sera's arc, I meant her healing, growth, change, becoming whole as a person. Josie is already well-composed and has her life together - complete with a family in which she plays an important role. I don't see where marriage would make all that much difference for her.
 

Clearly, since in three games only females get LIs where marriage is an option. Apparently Bioware doesn't think men or people who play men want to get married.

It'd probably be easier for them if they just never allowed any PCs to get married.

I do hope you were able to enjoy your perfect romance.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Marrying Sera and Josephine is about family in both cases, just in very different ways. With Sera you're providing her with something she's never had, giving her a way to define herself that she's never known. With Josie you'd be joining the thing that most defines who she is, becoming part of the vast enterprise that is the Montilyet family with all its history.

Family is crucial to each of their characters, though they stand at opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of their experience of it.

[Bowie Hawkins]

I've written another Hamilton filk, and since is another duet between Sera and Lavellan I've put it under the spoiler cut, and I hope you enjoy.

 

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1.17 That Will Be Enough

(To the tune of "That Would Be Enough")

Original here:

https://www.youtube....h?v=-xDlEXO4UJs

 

SERA:

Look around, look around at how lucky you are

To be alive right now

Look around, look around

 

LAVELLAN:

How long have you known?

 

SERA:

A month or so

 

LAVELLAN:

Sera, you should have told-

 

SERA:

I heard you talking to Solas a month ago

 

LAVELLAN:

No

 

SERA:

I begged him to say he lied

 

LAVELLAN:

You should have told me

 

SERA:

I'm not sorry

 

SERA:

I know you'll fight until                                                                       LAVELLAN:

The war is won                                                                                  The war's not done

 

But you deserve to live after it's done

Look around, look around at how lucky I am

That you're alive right now

 

LAVELLAN:

Will you relish being a dead elf’s wife

Don't know how long I can cling to life

 

SERA:

I relish being your wife

Look around, look around

 

Look at where we are

Look at what you've started

The fact that you're alive is a miracle

Just stay alive, that would be enough

 

And if I can

Have a moment of your time

And a moment of your smile, look out world!

I'll make that enough

 

I don't pretend to know

All the challenges you're facing

The days that thing's erasing, how long we have until you're gone

 

But I'm not afriad

I know who I married

So long as I can say that we had one more day

That will be enough

 

I don't need a legacy

I don't need armies

If I could take away your pain

Just let me stay inside your heart

 

Just let me be a part of the narrative

In the story they will write someday

Let this moment be the first chapter

Where you decide to stay

 

And that would be enough

And we will be enough

That will be enough

[Bowie Hawkins]

I've written another Hamilton filk, and since is another duet between Sera and Lavellan I've put it under the spoiler cut, and I hope you enjoy.

 

Spoiler

1.17 That Will Be Enough

(To the tune of "That Would Be Enough")

Original here:

https://www.youtube....h?v=-xDlEXO4UJs

 

SERA:

Look around, look around at how lucky you are

To be alive right now

Look around, look around

 

LAVELLAN:

How long have you known?

 

SERA:

A month or so

 

LAVELLAN:

Sera, you should have told-

 

SERA:

I heard you talking to Solas a month ago

 

LAVELLAN:

No

 

SERA:

I begged him to say he lied

 

LAVELLAN:

You should have told me

 

SERA:

I'm not sorry

 

SERA:

I know you'll fight until                                                                       LAVELLAN:

The war is won                                                                                  The war's not done

 

But you deserve to live after it's done

Look around, look around at how lucky I am

That you're alive right now

 

LAVELLAN:

Will you relish being a dead elf’s wife

Don't know how long I can cling to life

 

SERA:

I relish being your wife

Look around, look around

 

Look at where we are

Look at what you've started

The fact that you're alive is a miracle

Just stay alive, that would be enough

 

And if I can

Have a moment of your time

And a moment of your smile, look out world!

I'll make that enough

 

I don't pretend to know

All the challenges you're facing

The days that thing's erasing, how long we have until you're gone

 

But I'm not afriad

I know who I married

So long as I can say that we had one more day

That will be enough

 

I don't need a legacy

I don't need armies

If I could take away your pain

Just let me stay inside your heart

 

Just let me be a part of the narrative

In the story they will write someday

Let this moment be the first chapter

Where you decide to stay

 

And that would be enough

And we will be enough

That will be enough

[vertigomez]

D'awww, I love it. That's perfect for them.

[Bowie Hawkins]

D'awww, I love it. That's perfect for them.

 

Thank you!

 

Not sure how I wound up double-posting though, oops.

[vertigomez]

Why do you suppose so many people find Sera so hard to understand? I mean the way she talks. Over and over I see her speech pattern described as incomprehensible, unintelligible, nonsense, either her accent or vocabulary trips them up, etc.

I've never really had difficulty understanding what she says, but I'm a native English speaker and I always have subtitles on. Is that what's tripping people up?

[Krypplingz]

Why do you suppose so many people find Sera so hard to understand? I mean the way she talks. Over and over I see her speech pattern described as incomprehensible, unintelligible, nonsense, either her accent or vocabulary trips them up, etc.

I've never really had difficulty understanding what she says, but I'm a native English speaker and I always have subtitles on. Is that what's tripping people up?

I just had a general problem of catching her meaning.And I always play with subtitles, ^{_{(because otherwise my ears start making up all sorts of filth, .)}}

 

Like when she said "This is cover-get around it" my mind went "this meeting is an excuse for me being here instead of elsewhere, act casual" then on a second time I actually saw she was just pointing at some boxes. Seems so obvious now, but I was super confused the first time around.

 

It's like my brain just shuts down or goes into hyperdrive when she starts talking. I understand the words and the order looks right but the whole meaning eludes me. So for the first time I hear her dialog I have no idea what's going on. Then the second time it "clicks" and I understand her perfectly. 

 

Maybe it's the speed she's talking on, you panic and start trying to decipher some super hidden meaning from her words. Or people are not used to how she shortens her words?

Might also be because her dialog feels more like spoken language. Where it feels more like she's explaining her thoughts on the go, where as the other characters (and most movie characters) have their thoughts all formed out and are just reciting their lines? So you are just deciphering what they mean and don't need to keep an eye out for a sudden turn in the train of thought?

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But then again, Sera is probably as confused about what I'm trying to say.

(Added: I'm not a native English speaker and most of the time the only English I hear is from games, videos and movies.)

[vertigomez]

^ Thank you for the explanation (and the super cute screenshot)! That really helps. I think you're onto something when you say she speaks like a "real" person in that her thoughts aren't always perfectly formulated, they kind of spill out, and she talks fast and has a less widely-known accent so... all of that together could certainly trip people up.

[Rel Fexive]

I never had any problem with her way of talking, as far as I know. And her accent just sounds like the people I hear every day, so there's that too.

And there's a definite "natural speech" thing with her, too, agreeded.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Hmmm... I think she does have her own manner of speaking which I'd say goes a bit further than just "naturalistic speech", although that's a big part of it. She does have an idiosyncratic way of phrasing some things, and also she speaks in a mixture of slang which is unlike that used by anyone else in the game. It flits seemingly at random between British and American.

[Sifr]

Why do you suppose so many people find Sera so hard to understand? I mean the way she talks. Over and over I see her speech pattern described as incomprehensible, unintelligible, nonsense, either her accent or vocabulary trips them up, etc.

I've never really had difficulty understanding what she says, but I'm a native English speaker and I always have subtitles on. Is that what's tripping people up?

 

I can understand Sera perfectly.

 

But that might be because her accent is familiar to my ear, I use the same slang, have similar verbal tics and the odd tendency in RL to start talking in a rapid-fire, stream-of-conscious that is often rather hard for others to follow.

 

(Imagine Sera mixed with Mordin, only a bit more tongue-tied and word-salady)

[bustoparadise]

Have some (slightly NSFW) Sera art! (And I guess my Adaar is there too, but that's not the important part.)

 

About Sera's way of speaking, well, I was very grateful that my subtitles were on when I met her! The slang kept throwing me, though as a rambly person myself, I caught on to the stream-of-consciousness thing pretty quickly.

[vertigomez]

Have some (slightly NSFW) Sera art! (And I guess my Adaar is there too, but that's not the important part.)

Oh, that's gorgeous. ______ Both Sera and your Adaar are lovely. I love that sly grin Sera's got going on, lol.

I still think Sera is the loveliest looking LI we've ever had!

[FemHawke FTW]

So yesterday I got the 'Us Cookies' scene with my Lavellan Quizzy, it was really sweet cause it happened right after Sera gave her the "let's get to know each other first" talk. It was easy to imagine Sera testing the waters by opening up to Gytha and gauge her reaction to see if she's worth the effort.

[Dgyre]

Why do you suppose so many people find Sera so hard to understand? I mean the way she talks. Over and over I see her speech pattern described as incomprehensible, unintelligible, nonsense, either her accent or vocabulary trips them up, etc.

I've never really had difficulty understanding what she says, but I'm a native English speaker and I always have subtitles on. Is that what's tripping people up?

 

I'm a native english speaker (american) and the first time I heard her lines I had to replay them in my head a few times. with a little thought you can understand her, my issue with her more has to do with her personality and certain immaturities she has. there were a lot of slang words it seemed like, that I had to just guess at through context clues.

[vertigomez]

So yesterday I got the 'Us Cookies' scene with my Lavellan Quizzy, it was really sweet cause it happened right after Sera gave her the "let's get to know each other first" talk. It was easy to imagine Sera testing the waters by opening up to Gytha and gauge her reaction to see if she's worth the effort.

That's really sweet! I'm gonna have to aim for that next time.

In other news, Sera and Isabela are up to no good!

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[Basement Cat]

Why do you suppose so many people find Sera so hard to understand? I mean the way she talks. Over and over I see her speech pattern described as incomprehensible, unintelligible, nonsense, either her accent or vocabulary trips them up, etc.

I've never really had difficulty understanding what she says, but I'm a native English speaker and I always have subtitles on. Is that what's tripping people up?

I am not a native English speaker, but I never had trouble understanding her speech pattern, but there is something to be said for the way she thinks. Sera has a very personalized view of the world, and that is reflected in the way she speaks, which is why some people might get confused. It helps to understand where she's coming from.

 

In the main game, Sera indulges in black and white thinking with very little room for nuances, but she also contradicts this world view if she likes someone, making her inconsistent, thus harder to follow. There's also the fact that if she doesn't understand or know something, she makes stuff up to fill the blank.

 

So take someone who has trouble grasping complex concepts, who isn't too well spoken and likes to get creative to make up for it, and there you go. I can understand why some people have trouble understanding her. 

 

TL;DR: Sera is weird.

 

Disclaimer: This post is not meant to be bashing. I believe Sera is a complex, well-written and believable character. I just can't stand that type of personality.

[vertigomez]

I suspose that's true, cara mia! Though that seems like confusion over her character rather than her way of talking, specifically. I know they're a bit intertwined, but it just seems like people point out this specific thing - not being able to understand Sera's speech - as a different criticism than how they feel about her character? I dunno.

But I think you're onto something about her getting "creative" in order to express thoughts she doesn't fully understand (or has trouble articulating, anyway).

I appreciate everyone's thoughts on the matter.

[Basement Cat]

Oh well. On another note, Sera is definitely 'book dumb', but she can be pretty perceptive and clever, and she does provide a 'commoner' perspective to the group. One of her dialogues with Cassandra in particular is great. Sera asks Cass what people think when they see her, and Cass replies 'a seeker on the side of righteousness'. Sera corrects her, saying that she is in fact very scary. (it's an hilarious banter too)

 

Sera: Aaagh! Mages!  Aaagh! Templars! Aaagh! Demons! When you're little, everything is aaagh!

 

It's a very valid point too. Sera has a keen understanding of people's baser desires and how to manipulate them through it. It's people who are a cut above the rest that give her trouble, ie all the inner circle.

[Rel Fexive]

She's the most normal one of the group, up to the point she joins the Inquisition anyway. No magic, not Hero of somewhere, not a merchant prince or storyteller, not a renowned warrior or spy, not a spirit or super diplomat or military commander. And no history of fighting alongside (in)famous, world-striding figures either. It's no wonder she views things differently.

[Sifr]

That's part of Sera's charm and what makes her a good Jenny, that she is among and represents the common people of Thedas.

 

We see a few times in conversations with the Inquisitor that she will warn them or call them out if they seem to be getting to big for their breeches. She's got a fair point, because because while it might be fun to fight against gods, monsters and kings, the Inquisitor should never forget the innocent people getting killed or trampled on while they're busy playing as the world-saving hero.

[Xilizhra]

That's part of Sera's charm and what makes her a good Jenny, that she is among and represents the common people of Thedas.

 

We see a few times in conversations with the Inquisitor that she will warn them or call them out if they seem to be getting to big for their breeches. She's got a fair point, because because while it might be fun to fight against gods, monsters and kings, the Inquisitor should never forget the innocent people getting killed or trampled on while they're busy playing as the world-saving hero.

That rings just a bit hollow to me when she's perfectly willing to lock up innocent people who are guilty merely by association. The dark side of the will of the common folk is mob rule, and I'm not sure that Sera's thought that far ahead.