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My point was that it should be disagreement leading to narrative content rather than mechanical punishment. But this kind of thinking is why I hate the approval system.

Understood :).

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But unless BioWare is keeping some romance surprises up their sleeve class-gateing isn't a thing, so it all works out regardless.

I like characters disapproving of the player character, it's reactivity and it isn't ego-stroking.


It might make it harder to romance her, which is a good thing

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I think it's interesting that they chose to go back to the approval system after trying DA2's F/R system. Frankly, I like neither. But if I had to choose, it's probably the approval system that edges out a bit.



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It might make it harder to romance her, which is a good thing

If you hate both necromancers and people who play them, perhaps.



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Really? Damn. I liked friendship/rivalry. Gave unique content either way. Approval never seemed as dynamic.



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Really? Damn. I liked friendship/rivalry. Gave unique content either way. Approval never seemed as dynamic.

 

I just wonder how we'll be able to keep track of it in game, seeing as they are removing the approval bar. It will feel more realistic sure but still so used to the old system and all that. 



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I just wonder how we'll be able to keep track of it in game, seeing as they are removing the approval bar. It will feel more realistic sure but still so used to the old system and all that. 

This, in my opinion, is the kind of thing that should be toggled.



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I just wonder how we'll be able to keep track of it in game, seeing as they are removing the approval bar. It will feel more realistic sure but still so used to the old system and all that. 

 

If companions say nice things to you, approval is high, if not approval is low. The point of the system is to generate dialogue content, showing the bar itself should be redundant.



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I just wonder how we'll be able to keep track of it in game, seeing as they are removing the approval bar. It will feel more realistic sure but still so used to the old system and all that. 

I'm sure we'll adapt. They said the way chatacters talked to us would reflect whether they like or dislike us.

 

*start conversation*

 

-Yes? (neutral)

-What? (mild dislike)

-Oh, it's you. (strong dislike)

-Oh, hi there. (mild like)

-Hey, good to see you. (strong like)

 

Or something like that. Words and tone can do wonders to tell us where we stand. 



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I just wonder how we'll be able to keep track of it in game, seeing as they are removing the approval bar. It will feel more realistic sure but still so used to the old system and all that.


I mostly wonder how we'll know approval is maxed and companions have no more conversations to unlock.

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Well...

 

I hope it's still improved upon DAO. 

 

What I didn't like there is that if you pissed someone off, then virtually all content was cut off. I liked that Rivalry could be tense and biting and you could still have conversations. If you pissed off Morrigan or Alistair, for example, then it went nowhere. That was the end of it.



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I mostly wonder how we'll know approval is maxed and companions have no more conversations to unlock.

Strategy guide. It's a ploy to boost sales!


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I mostly wonder how we'll know approval is maxed and companions have no more conversations to unlock.

"Wrex."

 

"Shepard."

 

I'm thinking something like that.


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They did say that most content won't be locked by approval, but instead will slight change based on your Approval level.

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They did say that most content won't be locked by approval, but instead will slight change based on your Approval level.

Which is great.

 

I'm pretty sure you couldn't get Leliana's quest to trigger if her approval was too high prior to a certain point in DA:O (which in turn affected her romance).


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They did say that most content won't be locked by approval, but instead will slight change based on your Approval level.

 

That's similar to Friendship/Rivalry then. That's all I ask. Not necessarily the F/R system itself.. I just like this dynamic of (un)friendly conversation continuing.


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"Wrex."

 

"Shepard."

 

I'm thinking something like that.

 

Heh, I like the idea that that exchange is the epitome of camaraderie. The point were everything is known, everything is forgiven, and nothing else needs to be said.



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"Wrex."

 

"Shepard."

 

I'm thinking something like that.

"Bull."

 

"Inquisitor."

 

 

 



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I hate to Mass Effect 1 dialogue to be honest. It's very primitive.



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They did say that most content won't be locked by approval, but instead will slight change based on your Approval level.


Oh cool...that takes care of my worry.

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Heh, I like the idea that that exchange is the epitome of camaraderie. The point were everything is known, everything is forgiven, and nothing else needs to be said.

Yeah, it actually seems like something BioWare does often. It was especially prominent in the ME games. You could tell when a character had nothing more to say, while getting a flavor of their tone towards you (positive or negative).



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I'm sure we'll adapt. They said the way chatacters talked to us would reflect whether they like or dislike us.

 

*start conversation*

 

-Yes? (neutral)

-What? (mild dislike)

-Oh, it's you. (strong dislike)

-Oh, hi there. (mild like)

-Hey, good to see you. (strong like)

 

Or something like that. Words and tone can do wonders to tell us where we stand. 

For Sera:

"What the 'eck do you want now?" (Strong dislike)

*Sigh* "Yeah?" (Dislike)

"Oh, alright." (Neutral)

"Now then, pet." (Like)

"Ey-up, me duck!" (Strong like)

 

;)


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Which is great.
 
I'm pretty sure you couldn't get Leliana's quest to trigger if her approval was too high prior to a certain point in DA:O (which in turn affected her romance).

Don't know if it was a bug, but yes, you couldn't trigger her personal quest with a high approval before a certain point.

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Correction. I thought Ash and Liara worked OK in ME1.

 

Everyone else was just basically spooling through one line of conversation. Most of the responses you selected did nothing different than the other.



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For Sera:

"What the 'eck do you want now?" (Strong dislike)

*Sigh* "Yeah?" (Dislike)

"Oh, alright." (Neutral)

"Now then, pet." (Like)

"Ey-up, me duck!" (Strong like)

 

;)

I approve of this, just because I want to hear Sera say "Ey-up, me duck."