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#18226
Tevinter Rose

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I never said he will try to get every elven women pregnant . But he is race gated right ? and a romance for a female Elf right ? As long as he doesn't try anything with mah sera...........I like him and be friendly..... :P

I worry! He is in my party.... :unsure: my 1st playtrough I be taking all the ladies..but afterward...I have to try the others . So hopefully...he be a gentleman..or Its catapult ! Ohh I love the catapult......*hug catapult*  :wub:

 

I think he'll be swell, but i'm biased since I'm going to romance him lol. Yes hug catapults are good idea.



#18227
AlexiaRevan

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To be fair though, Jaessa gets a lobotomy (from what I know) Regardless of the gender of the PC, if he chooses so/on the Dark Side. I did recall that she can join the PC without becoming really a Sith. Did she change even in this case?

No . I played female sith warrior LS . And she keep her personality....and her original personallity..was always weak to tell ya the truth .(she come off as helpless and very devout but in...master tell me how to breath plz)  And her whole story was...well..weird . I mean you have this young women , and you are chasing her (either for good or dark intent)..and every damn jedi you meet who is related to her..are old mans . 

Yes she can be a companion without her being turned a sith . BUT the only way to have the 'Romance'...is for ya to torture her or even make her kill her old master and she become Dark . And that's what made that class...so awesome... <_< apparently . 

 

Peoples on the forum have been asking to be able to romance her as LS . but so far.....I doubt it ever happen . Bioware (that branche anyway) did say..they never work on personal story again . So it gonna probably stay like that . 



#18228
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Ah, didn't know about the Romance being restrictive on DS Jaessa. Thanks for the info.

#18229
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No . I played female sith warrior LS . And she keep her personality....and her original personallity..was always weak to tell ya the truth .(she come off as helpless and very devout but in...master tell me how to breath plz)  And her whole story was...well..weird . I mean you have this young women , and you are chasing her (either for good or dark intent)..and every damn jedi you meet who is related to her..are old mans . 

Yes she can be a companion without her being turned a sith . BUT the only way to have the 'Romance'...is for ya to torture her or even make her kill her old master and she become Dark . And that's what made that class...so awesome... <_< apparently . 

 

Peoples on the forum have been asking to be able to romance her as LS . but so far.....I doubt it ever happen . Bioware (that branche anyway) did say..they never work on personal story again . So it gonna probably stay like that . 

 

I managed to turn her Dark without torturing her, although I did kill the Jedi's



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So... About Sera...

I've been thinking about that line of hers, the one that goes: "Bad things should happen to bad people. We find someone not so bad, maybe he'll end up not so dead."

Maybe the inquisition goes looking for some person, but we arrive just in time to see him/her be killed by Sera, and when we object she delivers that line? Or perhaps she'll kill someone we did not order her to kill later in the game?
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#18231
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I think he'll be swell, but i'm biased since I'm going to romance him lol. Yes hug catapults are good idea.

well..to be honest..I like the Trebuchet better....arghhh..loved that sound it make in Age of Empire 2 .  :wub:  :wub:  :wub: 



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I don't think the lines in the various companions' presentation are really present in the game.

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AlexiaRevan

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So... About Sera...

I've been thinking about that line of hers, the one that goes: "Bad things should happen to bad people. We find someone not so bad, maybe he'll end up not so dead."

Maybe the inquisition goes looking for some person, but we arrive just in time to see him/her be killed by Sera, and when we object she delivers that line? Or perhaps she'll kill someone we did not order her to kill later in the game?

Isnt that......Leliana cutscene ?  :lol: 

 

I saw a post where peoples went mad...saying leliana killed someone and didnt follow order or something . 



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Milan92

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Because we should obviously applaud someone for killing someone else.



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Alexia and Eirene, was it a specific romance line that needed to be followed? idk that I should even call it a romance...this is quite disturbing to me and I'm not joking at all right now.


It's only with specific romances and if you specifically choose to play as an evil character. The rape is never shown, only demonstrated with dialogue options followed by a fade-to-black.

There are two Sith storylines; in each of them, the main character has the opportunity to corrupt a female Jedi apprentice and bring her over to the Sith.

The Sith Warrior's apprentice, Jaesa Willsaam, can be corrupted in one of two ways. She can be convinced 'logically' that her Jedi master is evil (true) and that the Warrior is a good person working to change the Empire from within, and that her powers and her compassion are best suited to help the Warrior. This Jaesa is called 'light-side Jaesa', and she's basically the same as she was with the Jedi: a good person who responds well to good people and who avoids romantic attachment. (Disturbingly, she may offer to be a male Warrior's baby-factory-without-a-romantic-relationship, because the Warrior's bloodline needs to be continued and more good Sith need to be created or some similar garbage.) Alternatively, the Warrior can basically mind-rape/brainwash Jaesa into being evil. 'Dark-side Jaesa' has sex with and/or kills everything, and takes unusual delight in torture: the model Sith apprentice. She is a romance option for a male Warrior.

The Sith Inquisitor's apprentice, Ashara Zavros, doesn't have quite the same amount of reactivity (partially because there is less difference between LS and DS Inquisitors compared to LS and DS Warriors), but the same basic outline of a relationship is followed: she's an apprentice who generally goes along with whatever the boss says, either good or evil, although 'non-pragmatic' evil generally gets demerits from her. The master-student relationship can be abused by a male Warrior to start a romance with her.

The Sith Warrior also gains a companion named Vette, an enslaved Twi'lek. The Warrior can choose to either treat her as a slave or as a friend: the key decision point here is her shock collar, which must be removed to get 'friendship' relationship. A dark-side male Warrior can abuse Vette by forcing her to watch him have sex. Any male Warrior can also start a "romance" path with both a friend Vette and an enslaved Vette. Any sexual relationship between master and slave is rape, and dialogue between them points this up.

A female Sith Warrior also has the ability to sexually abuse her underlings. One of her companions is a military officer, Captain Malavai Quinn, who is a potential romance option. Initial efforts by the Warrior to start a romance with Quinn may meet with refusal: Quinn, quite rightly, states that a relationship would be improper for both of them, that it would violate the chain of command, and that he's unwilling to deal with it, regardless of whatever feelings he may or may not have for her. The Warrior has the option to order him into bed despite his protestations. If this option is not taken, Quinn will, several conversations later, decide "screw impropriety" and confess to her anyway.

To reiterate: this is a specific subset of romances for a specific subset of characters, and not all of them inherently involve abuse; in most, the abuse is a choice or choices the player can make or avoid. But the options are there, and they can be taken, and judging from the SWTOR message boards, many, many people have done so.

But enough of that: I'm done with squicky SWTOR for now. Back to Sera!
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#18236
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I don't think the lines in the various companions' presentation are really present in the game.


I don't think so either but we'll see.

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well..to be honest..I like the Trebuchet better....arghhh..loved that sound it make in Age of Empire 2 .  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:


What have you done...now I feel the urge to replay Age of Empires 2. And spend hours creating custom maps. :pinched:



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AlexiaRevan

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Because we should obviously applaud someone for killing someone else.

Are you saying that to me ? 

 

I never said we should applaud . It just the post come off more like the real issue wasn't that she killed someone . But the problem is that she didn't follow order . 

 

*shrug* if someone did something evil...I shall kill him and then cheer for getting ride of them  . But I don't go out of my way to kill peoples just cose...I can . 



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Milan92

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Evil is subjective.

 

But sure.



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Isnt that......Leliana cutscene ?  :lol:

 

I saw a post where peoples went mad...saying leliana killed someone and didnt follow order or something . 

 

Lels was just released from who knows how many days of torture, she obviously isn't in the right frame of mind in that scene. So she deserves a pass here.



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What have you done...now I feel the urge to replay Age of Empires 2. And spend hours creating custom maps. :pinched:

I liked Age of Empire 1 better....I mean that soundtrack............ :wub: 

 

Well nothing stopping ya  :lol: You still have time to get it out of your system ! 



#18242
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I think he'll be swell, but i'm biased since I'm going to romance him lol. Yes hug catapults are good idea.

 

So Solas or Sera first?

 

:ph34r: I'm judging you btw. :ph34r:

 

:P



#18243
AlexiaRevan

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Lels was just released from who knows how many days of torture, she obviously isn't in the right frame of mind in that scene. So she deserves a pass here.

Thats what I though too . I just was mentioning how the thread and anger of poster wasn't toward her killing somoene but more about how she didnt follow order . Wich is weird....



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AlexiaRevan

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So Solas or Sera first?

 

:ph34r: I'm judging you btw. :ph34r:

 

:P

Use the power of the SPEW! AND CONVERT! 

 

*ahem*.....



#18245
Artemis Leonhart

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I liked Age of Empire 1 better....I mean that soundtrack............ :wub:

 

Well nothing stopping ya  :lol: You still have time to get it out of your system ! 

I never played the first, I should remedy that one day...the soundtrack of the second game was good, though, as far as I remember.  :) 

Well, I guess that a full immersion in AoE 2 would keep me busy while waiting for DA:I...dat Joan of Arc campaign. :wub:



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SWTOR allowed players to zoom right past a moral event horizon very rapidly. Apart from the sheer amount of casual murder and torture available to Sith players, many of the romantic plots involve either brainwashing or something that is so close to rape as to be essentially indistinguishable.

The only reason male-lesbian rape wasn't explicitly in the game is because lesbians weren't in the game.

 

*blinks*

 

Uh...what?

 

The only romance plot that came even remotely close to that was SW with Jaesa. And that was of the brainwashing variety. Revel, Quinn and Vette all clearly consent (hell you can't even romance vette without taking her collar off and treating her somewhat kindly).

 

Now you could argue they were a bit masochist (looking at you Quinn) but not non consensual.

 

(I've done these romances several times because they (especially SW with Quinn) are some of my favorite romances). I did Ashara once to be fair but even that isn't anywhere near brainwashing and rape (especially considering she keeps her squeaky clean LS outlook no matter what your alignment is).


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#18247
AlexiaRevan

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I never played the first, I should remedy that one day...the soundtrack of the second game was good, though, as far as I remember.  :) 

Well, I guess that a full immersion in AoE 2 would keep me busy while waiting for DA:I...dat Joan of Arc campaign. :wub:

The soundtrack of the 1st was better . But AOE2 had better unit and gameplay system . Like make them patrol...I liked that . 

 

Was a fun game....and good for its time  ;)



#18248
CrimsonN7

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@Eirene, thanks for explaining all that. And people roleplay such characters happily, ugh my faith in humanity has taken another knock.



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*blinks*

 

Uh...what?

 

The only romance plot that came even remotely close to that was SW with Jaesa. And that was of the brainwashing variety.

 

Still mad there was no Grey Jaesa, the dialogue option I chose sure made it sound possible :(



#18250
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Still mad there was no Grey Jaesa, the dialogue option I chose sure made it sound possible :(

 

Especially if you're playing a neutral sith. *grumbles*