Just makes her sound young, bratty, yet heroic and the 'light in the dark'.
More Mary Sue flags.
I don't remember any of the women in DA being a Mary Sue. If anything DA has gone out of its way to place women at the forefront of society. That is one of the many reason I like DA because of the way it doesn't stereotype or place women on at pedestal. unlike some RPG's.
AH yes "Mary Sue" the catch all term people use instead of "I dont like the character"
We have dismissed that claim.
*sigh* I used to be young like that...
Like when I met Tallis... 
*sigh* I used to be young like that...
Like when I met Tallis...
Tallis is the only real Mary Sue in the DA verse. Alistair almost is, but he is too timid and not quite intelligent enough to qualify (plus he's a spoiled brat, just harden him, marry him to Anora and spare Loghain and listen to him whine).
So let's pretend Tallis never happened. For the Greater Good.
Can't we change the thread name to Sera discussion?
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I don't think you really understand what that means. A Mary Sue is supposed to be a 'perfect' character, smarter than everyone else, more talented, rebellious, but only when her superiors are idiots. Young and Bratty is kind of the opposite of Mary Sue. Stealing from the Rich and giving... to herself is also no-where near Mary Sue.
Except she does seem like all of those things. Her being a thief doesn't immediately mean she isn't a Sue, nor does being 'perfect' immediately make a character a Sue. It seems her thievery and criminal ways are totally ignored by the heroes because she's meant to be their "light in the darkness". That's incredibly Mary Sue-ish.
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Tallis is the only real Mary Sue in the DA verse. Alistair almost is, but he is too timid and not quite intelligent enough to qualify (plus he's a spoiled brat, just harden him, marry him to Anora and spare Loghain and listen to him whine).
So let's pretend Tallis never happened. For the Greater Good.
Never have I hated a Bioware character more than Tallis.
Except she does seem like all of those things. Her being a thief doesn't immediately mean she isn't a Sue, nor does being 'perfect' immediately make a character a Sue. It seems her thievery and criminal ways are totally ignored by the heroes because she's meant to be their "light in the darkness". That's incredibly Mary Sue-ish.
That's a single line from a 2 year old survey. The more recent information suggests she doesn't play by the rules, and the single quote we have of her suggests she has no problem killing people. Being a greedy thief does indeed preclude someone from being a Mary Sue. A Mary Sue has specific criteria, it isn't really a whole genre of characters. Read the wiki, it outlines its original use and its modern use.
A murdering thief (which is what Sera appears to be to some extent) is certainly not a Mary Sue.
Never have I hated a Bioware character more than Tallis.
On that we can agree.
Never have I hated a Bioware character more than Tallis.
Honestly, I really want to come across her again if only to take her down a peg. Or at least disillusion her.
Honestly, I really want to come across her again if only to take her down a peg. Or at least disillusion her.
I'd really rather she just disappeared and all of Thedas agreed to pretend she never happened. She broke so many rules for her character than I'm not going to get into it and derail the thread. If she never appears again in a DA game I'll be happy.
Note: I loved Felicia Day in the Guild, I have nothing against her, I just hate Tallis. Just like I hate Wesley Crusher, but love Wil Wheaton.
Except she does seem like all of those things. Her being a thief doesn't immediately mean she isn't a Sue, nor does being 'perfect' immediately make a character a Sue. It seems her thievery and criminal ways are totally ignored by the heroes because she's meant to be their "light in the darkness". That's incredibly Mary Sue-ish.
Uh no, that does not make her a Sue. You wanna hate a character you hardly know anything about, cool but calling her a Mary Sue? Just no.
It seems her thievery and criminal ways are totally ignored by the heroes because she's meant to be their "light in the darkness". That's incredibly Mary Sue-ish.
Wait, I thought that was merely a description of Seras Victoria from Hellsing, who some poster had some hopes about being similar to Sera. Unless I missed the red thread of the discussion going on here? (in which case I apologize)
Except she does seem like all of those things. Her being a thief doesn't immediately mean she isn't a Sue, nor does being 'perfect' immediately make a character a Sue. It seems her thievery and criminal ways are totally ignored by the heroes because she's meant to be their "light in the darkness". That's incredibly Mary Sue-ish.
No it doesn't. If you want a Mary Sue go look at the Princess in Drangon's Dogma. That girl is as stereotyped as it gets.
Except she does seem like all of those things. Her being a thief doesn't immediately mean she isn't a Sue, nor does being 'perfect' immediately make a character a Sue. It seems her thievery and criminal ways are totally ignored by the heroes because she's meant to be their "light in the darkness". That's incredibly Mary Sue-ish.
Maybe her thievery is ignored by the Inquisition for the same reason Grey Wardens will accept criminals. Devs have already said most of the companions are dismissible, so maybe a lawful/order oriented Inquisitor can't stand to have her around and sends her away while a more chaotic Inquisitor could be her best friend and not give a flying fart if she lied, stole, or cheated. Since we know absolutely nothing about how or why we recruit her, it seems too early to jump on the Mary Sue train 
Her being a "criminal" is not a problem at all...It seems the Iron Bull is the leader of mercenaries.
Varric has ties with the Dwarven Merchant guild , they are not exactly paragons of virtue.
The Inquisition doesn't have to play nice anyway , you can have spies etc...
Besides we'll have to deal with Orlais and the Game , bards , assassins , thieves ...it's all pretty common.
Maybe her thievery is ignored by the Inquisition for the same reason Grey Wardens will accept criminals.
Ignored? pssh
It's encouraged.
Except she does seem like all of those things. Her being a thief doesn't immediately mean she isn't a Sue, nor does being 'perfect' immediately make a character a Sue. It seems her thievery and criminal ways are totally ignored by the heroes because she's meant to be their "light in the darkness". That's incredibly Mary Sue-ish.
We don't really know anything about her though? We also don't know why she is recruited. Really, we know next to nothing about anything at this point.
I'm not trying to be a ****** or anything, but it sounds like you are saying, because she is a thief, but not automatically viewed as a "bad guy" then that automatically makes her a Mary Sue, which, doesn't make any sense to me.
Plus I mean who knows how each of us will play our inquisitor. I tend to play chaotic good characters. For all I know she'll easily become my Inquisitors new best friend. Or heck, maybe I will hate her.
My point is, it's really too early to just kinda randomly decide she is a Mary Sue, because you decided that everything about her character and her past has been ignored.
Except she does seem like all of those things. Her being a thief doesn't immediately mean she isn't a Sue, nor does being 'perfect' immediately make a character a Sue. It seems her thievery and criminal ways are totally ignored by the heroes because she's meant to be their "light in the darkness". That's incredibly Mary Sue-ish.
You seriously make it sound like you've played the game beginning to end and seen everything Sera has to offer.
I would wait a little while before jumping that far if I were you.
Wait, I thought that was merely a description of Seras Victoria from Hellsing, who some poster had some hopes about being similar to Sera. Unless I missed the red thread of the discussion going on here? (in which case I apologize)
I was the one who posted the hope for Sera being like Seras, so unless that phrase was used elsewhere and I don't know about it then it wasn't for Sera.
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You seriously make it sound like you've played the game beginning to end and seen everything Sera has to offer.
I would wait a little while before jumping that far if I were you.
Not once have I said "Sera's a Mary Sue".
I've said her listed traits and what we know make me think she could end up like one. It's purely opinion, non-concrete opinion, one that can change. It's just opinionated worry from me about her.
The "light in the dark" line apparently had nothing to do with her, but a different character with a similar name (why that was quote was posted, then, I have no idea), so that definitely makes me less worried. But even still, I just don't like Sera so far.
I think a handful of you Sera fans should stop being so defensive when I or others have tossed critique to her. I've not, nor will I, tell you to "hold your judgments" about positive remarks on Sera. I could just as well say you don't know anything about her, no more than I do, and she may not end up being a good character. But I've not done that. It's all a matter of opinion and perception on what we know of her and what's been said; people can take it all a number of different ways, and no way is wrong, since it's all purely an objective opinion (assuming you can back up said opinion logically).
What one considers a good character may be absolutely hated by someone else.
Don't go into a fan thread and expect a warm welcome if you are there to criticize.
Sure its a free forum.
But at the same time you are not going to get anyone on your side and no one will care.
Yes you will have posted your view, however no one will have appreciated it at all.
Added to that all you do is create a negative atmosphere that makes the forum worse than it was before.
In the end most do it cause they thrive on getting negative attention. Like people who wont stop posting how much they hate a character, the fanart, the discussions, and the squeeing.
Its just one step away from being a troll really.
I'd argue that this isn't, technically, a fan thread. The title isn't "Sera Fan Thread", and the OP doesn't label this a fan thread.
Granted, it isn't a "discussion thread", either, but there's no reason anyone shouldn't be able to come here and state an opinion.
I'd argue that this isn't, technically, a fan thread. The title isn't "Sera Fan Thread", and the OP doesn't label this a fan thread.
Granted, it isn't a "discussion thread", either, but there's no reason anyone shouldn't be able to come here and state an opinion.
I am not saying not to do it.
I am saying that its just not a great idea, from all the years I have been on the forum.
Threads like this are dominated by fans.
Fans are touchy over things.
It never ever leads anywhere good and just creates issues.
Post it if you got it, but just be prepared for the blow back.
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