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[Shadow of Light Dragon]

My male Cousland romanced her, until she asked to call it off.

[Nintendali]

My 2nd Warden (CE rogue) slept with her. Things went badly after that. "Morrigan disapproves: -96" He ended up with Zevran.

 

From what I'd seen of her romance in that playthrough, I thought it was...creepy. She gives off this whole 'no means yes' vibe, and that is not cool. The fact that you can tell her "Just get in the tent, woman" after she just said no is VERY not cool.

 

I still felt the need to finish it out, so I created a Human Mage as my 4th Warden just for that purpose. AW/BM and he looked old enough to be her grandfather, just to up the creepiness factor. Having Irving refer to him as 'child' was quite amusing. He was hard to RP and he was my first mage, so I was kind of having too much fun being invincible and setting everything on fire to pay her enough attention. Kept it going to the end, though. Meh. I don't think I'll ever romance her again.

[themikefest]

My male mage romanced her by putting a spell on her. Once it wore off she went through the mirror. Oh well. Without feeling sad, my male mage went to the Pearl to have fun.

[Cobra's_back]

Jedimaster88,

 

I can see a compassionate warden trying to reach out to her. All my wardens were caring about the people around them. I never take her to Redcliffe or the circle. I have been able to take her to other locations and not suffer negative point by not getting into a long discussion with Kolgrim and Caladrius. All my wardens get her too at least 90% and most close or to 100%.

 

I guess I can do this with a  male Cousland who wants to help the broken child behind the brick wall.

 

I did take this option for a negative 3. it seemed like the right thing to do with a compassinate warden:

 

Romance inactive:

 

Morrigan states love is a weakness

 

I do, in fact, believe otherwise. Disapproves (-3)

 

Her reply:

 

Well everyone has their weaknesses

[Shadow Fox]

I think if they had finished making the human commoner origin, it would have been a perfect fit. For Human Noble, I can't get the image of Bryce, Eleanor, Cousland's loving brother, and idyllic life out of my head.. wtf is he suddenly falling in love with some coldhearted witch for? I understand being a rebellious black sheep, but it's still a stretch for me. I see them becoming a Robin Hood rebel type at best. Hooking up with Zevran or something. Not dabbling with barbarian/wild/creepy sh*t like Chasind witches and Flemeth.

 

This is just me though. To this day, I'm still trying to figure out why they marketed Morrigan so heavily when the game came out, and how it fits with Gaider's in-game story of the human noble.

http://tvtropes.org/...in/MsFanservice

 

http://tvtropes.org/...ersonSeductress

 

http://tvtropes.org/...p/Main/SexSells

 

That's why, same reason Isabella's DA2 poster girl.

[Mike3207]

My male Amell-they're both shapeshifters.

[Shadow Fox]

Gaider has said Morrigan and Alistair are his favorite characters. I'd like to think there was something more to this that I'm not seeing. He wouldn't be so proud of a character if it was meant as fansservice, would he? Besides that, he is a gay man.. so obviously, he doesn't fall into this supposed target audience, if that's the case.

 

I happen to like Isabela though, as I do all of Sheryl Chee's characters (Leliana, Oghren, Sigrun, Velanna). There is a cheesy sex appeal thing going on, but at the same time, she's kind of a female Oghren. lol

Gaider isn't the marketing team though.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I like angtsy. That isn't Morrigan though. She's Miranda. Not Jack. An ice queen. Cold, not angtsy. I love Jack. Just pity Miranda and Morrigan.

 

Yup, Jack FTW! Morrigan and Leliana are great, but Jack's romance in Mass Effect is like getting the best of both worlds: Morrigan's "edge" combined with Leliana's passion/love. I ultimately go with Morrigan because, while she's crappy at love, I maintain respect for her on an "intellectual" level. Leliana would be a fun lover, but one I'd probably start having issues with after the passion wears off.

 

 

On-topic, I romanced Morrigan with my main Warden -- Dalish elf origin. Both come from the wildernesses, and I role-played my Warden with comparable character to hers. Both are also pretty jaded about being pulled into the whole "Blight"-nonsense, so I could see them taking solace in each other's company at camp. And then I also love how the Warden's story ends coming full-circle in Witch Hunt with the Eluvian mirrors.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Gaider has said Morrigan and Alistair are his favorite characters. I'd like to think there was something more to this that I'm not seeing. He wouldn't be so proud of a character if it was meant as fansservice, would he? 

 

He may have simply enjoyed writing these two more than other characters, rather than liking them because he thinks they're more well-written or complex.

 

It's like...I have stories I'm really really proud of how they turned out, but I might like a different one more because I had so much fun with it.

Just an idea though -- I can't speak for DG's reasons.

[Cobra's_back]

Gaider has said Morrigan and Alistair are his favorite characters. I'd like to think there was something more to this that I'm not seeing. He wouldn't be so proud of a character if it was meant as fansservice, would he? Besides that, he is a gay man.. so obviously, he doesn't fall into this supposed target audience, if that's the case.

 

I happen to like Isabela though, as I do all of Sheryl Chee's characters (Leliana, Oghren, Sigrun, Velanna). There is a cheesy sex appeal thing going on, but at the same time, she's kind of a female Oghren. lol

 

I have to say that Alistair and Morrigan are my favorite as well. I like listening to all their lines.

[congokong]

Don't get me wrong, Morrigan is a cool character, but who would really want to romance her? She's difficult and evil. She's one of the few characters who I had to sit there debating which of the 4 responses to say that wouldn't offend her. Meta-gaming is a must. With most characters you know what response will end poorly but not Morrigan. Ex: Who'd think "get in the tent, woman" would get positive results?

 

To answer your question, I only romanced her with my psychopath mage Jafar. He is a low-cunning selfish opportunist who never thinks ahead. They actually had good chemistry. He's the only type of character I can see recruiting Sten or Zevran without meta-gaming.

[luna1124]

One of my human male mages and a city elf male.

[congokong]

Yeah, that sucks. The only reason I keep Zev around now is because of DA2 and the rune of valiance. And the only reason for Sten is because he's in the comics. lol. I don't need them in DAO itself.

I shouldn't have to feel like an idiot when I add companions, but that's just how I feel if I recruit those two.

 

On my first blind playthrough I thought I must have been missing something when recruiting Sten became a quest. I had made no comment of recruiting him and yet there it was in the quest log. Additionally, Morrigan (whose advice you should never take) had apparently no understanding of the word prisoner and like Jowan wanted Sten released just because he was caged. My first response to a giant man in a cage who butchered a family was to get away from him; not bring him with me and let him sleep near me at night. So I kept talking to the villagers thinking that surely I missed something. Surely Bioware was going to give me some rational reason to recruit this monster. But no. He's a very literal, unfriendly giant who killed children with his bare hands. So I ran away from Lothering leaving him in that cage awaiting the darkspwan horde.

 

Zevran, aka Puss n Boots, at least gave a reason to recruit him. Of course it was still absurd. He could easily slit my throat at camp, run in the woods, then laugh over drinks with his friends over how stupid the Grey Warden was that they not only spared him but recruited him. And the Crows would never know the first attempt wasn't successful; assuming he was telling the truth that they indeed kill those who fail out of principle. Apparently it's a lie since he can rejoin the Crows later in the game. Zevran will also break his oath to you by doing this; not surprising since he breaks his oath to the Crows by joining you in the first place.

 

In conclusion, recruiting these two when role-playing is absurd. Bioware should have introduced them differently.

[congokong]

I know what you mean. It feels stupid and breaks immersion. I've left Sten and killed Zev before, but don't have those save files anymore. Perhaps I should just do it. Screw the benefits (at least in Zevran's case).

I only did it with one character, my psychopath mage, just to see what they offered. It wasn't much. Besides, 9 companions (the max at any time) is too many. I'm happy without them. Maybe lose 1 or 2 more by keeping the anvil of the void or defiling the Urn of Sacred Ashes . It's just pottery, right? I don't like to do that though because Leliana offers a lot of dialogue. On my first playthrough I brought the characters most fitting for a mission (like Mass Effect) and lost Shale because of the Anvil and Leliana because of the Urn. I only had Alistair, Morrigan, Oghren, and Dog by the end.

[congokong]

I like having a variety of characters.. I just need a good reason for them, as you've pointed out. Definitely lean towards more = better. If you've ever seen me at the Mass Effect forums, I won't cease from championing how cool ME2's squad was (12 total), compared to the others. Both in quality and quantity.

I do know you from the ME forums. That's why I brought ME up. More = Better for sure. Better to have the option, right? I can always ignore ones I don't want to use ...on the condition that I don't feel like an idiot recruiting them. 12 squadmates for ME2 was great but if you want all of them to get some use they don't take part in many quests.

[congokong]

True enough. The thing is, they didn't expect them to get use either. Hudson, at the time, was interviewed saying he wanted to make different types of players happy. That's a great attitude. He knew people would either love or hate Jack, or not delve into Miranda's story and get past the surface. And so on and so forth. But he knew they all would appeal somehow.

 

Of course, it's more work for them (and some characters might only be popular with a minority), but everyone wins this way, I think.

Plus I didn't feel like a complete idiot recruiting any of them. I never used a squadmate based on how much I liked them though. It was based on if they felt fitting for a mission.

 

Back to Dragon Age, I did not like Sten in the one playthrough that he lives. He's ungrateful, second-guesses you often, takes your money at Redcliffe if you don't want to pay for the Green Blade, attacks you at Haven for wasting time looking for the Urn (which I agree is a waste of time), etc. Zevran is charming but when role-playing I feel uneasy around him because he's a stranger who Loghain hired to kill me.

[Corker]

Morrigan told Leliana that Flemeth frightened her as a little girl with stories of Flemeth using men until they were spent and then eating them. She was horrified when her mother told her she would do the same when she came of age. What age is she talking about? It was an odd line. I guess they put it there to show that Morrigan did not agree with her mother's lifestyle. Does Morrigan want a normal life but fears she can't have it?

"Of age" in this context means old enough to bed men and drain their life force. I'd guess late teens? Maybe early 20s if the magic took that long to master.

It's partly to highlight how abusive Flemeth was; partly to understand how Morrigan has been trained to approach life and the other people in it; and (if I'm being cynical) partly because past sexual abuse is a huge sympathy button to push on a character, especially a woman. (And I would say being ordered to screw guys to death by your powerful witch-mom counts.)

From what I'd seen of her romance in that playthrough, I thought it was...creepy. She gives off this whole 'no means yes' vibe, and that is not cool. The fact that you can tell her "Just get in the tent, woman" after she just said no is VERY not cool.

Yeah. I tried to romance her with a Surana, but like Shadow of Light Dragon, I ended it when she said it had to end. Sticking with someone who pushes you away to "fix" them or "show them that you love them" is a huge, common romance trope, and it's not a good one. It provides a positive narrative framework for behavior that's damaging, either as an aggressor (the 'heroes' of most romcoms would get arrested for stalking) or as a victim (I just have to love them enough and it will fix all the problems!).

[Cobra's_back]

Corker,

 

I just finished the romance. There must be several ways to approach it. My Warden was already at 95% when Morrigan approach the Warden. It was her call not his. This happened before he killed Flemeth. The bedroll happens only once. You don't have to sleep with someone to be in love. She tells him love is a weakness and she is not worth his distraction. He can answer love is not a weakness and she is worth his distraction. He doesn't have to approach her for sex. She is still actively in love with him. 

 

 

It is very much like Fenris. You have to call it off with her to end it. The bigger question is this:

 

Does the Warden need to have a sexual relationship if he is in love? Both Hawk and the Warden have a option to leave the relationship or keep it. You don't have to stalk them or try to force them into bed. That would be creepy. The path I took gave her all the cards and it is at her pace.