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[Banxey]

Here's Evan Peters, whom I mentioned earlier, if anyone was curious:

 

That's who I saw him as too. Especially after seeing the first season of American Horror Story.

[Brass_Buckles]

Alistair and Merrill were both kind of close to it, but too wise-cracky or bubbly. Also neither were m/m relationships.

 

Also, my headcanon version of Cole looks more like Thomas Sangster in Game of Thrones

 

 

Well, the problem with thinking of this guy as how Cole looks is, except in the Fade nightmare, he looks to be in his late teens or early twenties, as described in Asunder.  The little guy you've posted looks quite a bit younger than that--maybe as old as 15 and that's probably being very generous--that kid looks quite young.  Also his voice was said to be adult, too, even if his words weren't always grown-up.  Though it's certainly reasonable to question why he looks that old, when apparently he was brought to the Circle not long after murdering his father.

 

I wish people would stop talking about romancing Cole--if he were to appear as a companion in the game after DA:I, and had matured considerably by that point, then it might be reasonable to consider.  But at the point he was left in Asunder, it would be creepy to pursue him as a romance.  He seemed very childish to me in how he responded to things Rhys would say to him.  Even the fact that he murdered to make himself feel more real was rather childish--he didn't like killing, he felt sorry for the victims, and yet he didn't seem to fully comprehend the results of his actions.

 

I would prefer another conventionally attractive ADULT male as LI in DA:I, too.  But Cole wouldn't fit that description--his body may look grown up but his mind is certainly not.  And, since I actually romanced Garrus who isn't attractive physically to me at all, well, I don't imagine it will be a huge problem if the available grown men aren't quite as sexy as I might have hoped.  I'm playing for the story, not for pixel porn. I have yet to see any character designs for DA:I that I didn't think were interesting, even if I don't necessarily find them attractive.

 

Honestly, though, unless he's been kept tightly under wraps or that screenshot of the fight against the troll does include him (the Inquisitor tends to have red--probably even if you can recolor the armor--and that rogue had no red and looked male to me), there's been no evidence that he will be included as a companion.  So, much as I wish he would be because I'd love to see how his story develops and because he'd tie in with the plot of DA:I perfectly, I'm not counting on it.  I will be pleasantly surprised if he even shows up as an NPC--though again, there's no way he could be done justice as a minor NPC.

 

But back to the topic of discussing Cole himself...

 

Cole could be evidence that Merril is right, and ultimately as long as you're careful, the demons of Dragon Age aren't any more dangerous than the other spirits.  As others have pointed out, the Chantry are the ones who decided there should be a distinction.  And yet, the spirits also acknowledge that there's a difference, so the Chantry could very well be right.

 

I wonder if there were any demons at all prior to the Golden City becoming the Black City?  Could be interesting if we found out that there weren't.

 

And another thought I had on Cole:  Normally, we see demons possessing mortals or corpses.  What if in Cole's case, the spirit decided to give up its identity to allow Cole the Boy to live on out of pity or mercy?  Sort of a reverse abomination, in other words.  Which would basically mean that the spirit Cole really is the boy Cole, without a corporeal form--and Rhys would be right, that Cole is exactly what he appears to be.  It would also account for why Cole experiences tiredness, hunger, sweating, etc--and why he aged since he came to the White Spire.

 

[Leoroc]

Just for reference the actod I posted, Thomas Sangster is 24 in May (though that pic was last season so he was probably 22 at the time).

 

Again, I really don't see how Cole is less mature than Zevran or Fenris.  He is emotional, but Fenrisphysically crushed people's hearts when he was irritated. 

[Brass_Buckles]

Just for reference the actod I posted, Thomas Sangster is 24 in May (though that pic was last season so he was probably 22 at the time).

 

Again, I really don't see how Cole is less mature than Zevran or Fenris.  He is emotional, but Fenrisphysically crushed people's hearts when he was irritated. 

 

Did you notice how he reacted when Rhys caught him at doing something bad?  And how he acted later after having been told not to do something bad?  Cole is very much like a child.  He might never mature due to his traumatic memories (which may or may not belong to him), or he might one day grow up mentally with enough human interaction to push him along.  He's intelligent (he has no mental deficiency taking into account his apparent age), but socially and psychologically speaking, he thinks about things in a very child-like way.

[dragondreamer]

If Cole is actually a physically manifested being, that could explain why he's aged beyond the original Cole (who was 12, and Mr Gaider has said that Cole is physically an adult).  It also gives us a possible timeframe for how long ghost!Cole was wandering the White Spire...  I think he's definitely something different from what we've seen before.

 

And yeah, I wish we would stop framing the Cole conversation around whether he should be romanceable or not.  I'm 99.99% sure that if he's a companion, he won't be.  But not every companion worth inclusion needs to be someone who can be romanced.

 

Evan Peters looks exactly how I pictured Cole when I was reading, that's spooky.  

[efd731]

I've mentioned in another thread that personally, I feel he would make a far better plot device than a companion. For starters, he's not really human, just a shade trying to be. Which in a way, is what all demons are trying to do, they just don't understand physical beings enough to get it right. Having him be a major secondary quest plot device, where we are trying to solve some issue that arises and his unique condition could be either an asset or a hindrance would be spectacular. Honestly tho, the Cole I remember from the novel would make for a terrible companion. He has no goal outside finding someone that can remember him and then latching on to that person like a parasite. It would also make for much more of a headache in-game that he would be worth, as the idea of him vanishing from peoples minds as well as their sight would necessitate re-introductions every few minutes or so. *snip*

That could easily change though. Maybe he is visible to everyone since the veil tore. Maybe closing the veil will result in him regressing and thus represent a large sacrifice. Maybe he joins the inquisition to gain fame/notoriety so that people will know of him/be able to see him. Maybe all it takes is a certain amount of association, he could be the inquisition's "pet ghost".
Edit: we know so little about cole, the writers could do almost anything with him.

[GVulture]

Of course, that is considering that Cole in Inquisition is anything like what we saw in the book. Considering his, "There was a boy named Cole and *I* stayed with him" speech at the end.

[Brass_Buckles]

That could easily change though. Maybe he is visible to everyone since the veil tore. Maybe closing the veil will result in him regressing and thus represent a large sacrifice. Maybe he joins the inquisition to gain fame/notoriety so that people will know of him/be able to see him. Maybe all it takes is a certain amount of association, he could be the inquisition's "pet ghost".
Edit: we know so little about cole, the writers could do almost anything with him.

 

Yeah, I had the impression that the Veil Tear would likely make him visible to everyone, and invisible only if he actively tries to be.

 

And that's assuming he didn't possess Lambert as some have suspected he might.

 

GVulture is also correct, he's changed a lot since the start of Asunder.  His character was already growing stronger and more independent prior to that breaking point, but we really don't know who he is now.  He may be a totally different sort of character.  I'd prefer to think he hasn't changed completely, but that he functions better on his own.  And I may be very wrong.

 

If he isn't a companion, he could still be a very important major NPC.  Someone with firsthand knowledge would be invaluable, and there's little question that as long as Cole remembers what he is, he possesses that knowledge.

[GVulture]

Yeah, I had the impression that the Veil Tear would likely make him visible to everyone, and invisible only if he actively tries to be.

 

And that's assuming he didn't possess Lambert as some have suspected he might.

 

GVulture is also correct, he's changed a lot since the start of Asunder.  His character was already growing stronger and more independent prior to that breaking point, but we really don't know who he is now.  He may be a totally different sort of character.  I'd prefer to think he hasn't changed completely, but that he functions better on his own.  And I may be very wrong.

 

If he isn't a companion, he could still be a very important major NPC.  Someone with firsthand knowledge would be invaluable, and there's little question that as long as Cole remembers what he is, he possesses that knowledge.

It seemed more like the Spirit/Demon/Whatever was in control of whatever he is at the end there. I could practically hear the "DUN DUN DUUUUUUN!"

 

If it had been an episode of Supernatural he would've had red glowing eyes and the book would've ended with the weird scary crashing noise they do before the breaks/credits.

[efd731]

If cole was in supernatural, he'd be Gabriel's sidekick and use his invisibility to pants Dean lol(at least end of book cole could)

[Brass_Buckles]

It seemed more like the Spirit/Demon/Whatever was in control of whatever he is at the end there. I could practically hear the "DUN DUN DUUUUUUN!"

 

If it had been an episode of Supernatural he would've had red glowing eyes and the book would've ended with the weird scary crashing noise they do before the breaks/credits.

 

I'm not sure he's THAT far gone.  Again, I kind of wonder if the spirit didn't intentionally take on/merge with Cole's identity to allow him to live on, without possessing his body.  I'm not sure that's even possible, and yet, the spirit knows everything Cole knew, and thought it WAS Cole, because the memories were so complete.  So maybe it is, at least partially, Cole.  Now the two of them are one, and they are something else--similar to an abomination, but more along the lines of a mortal merging with a spirit and leaving behind the flesh, as opposed to the other way around.

[GVulture]

I'm not sure he's THAT far gone.  Again, I kind of wonder if the spirit didn't intentionally take on/merge with Cole's identity to allow him to live on, without possessing his body.  I'm not sure that's even possible, and yet, the spirit knows everything Cole knew, and thought it WAS Cole, because the memories were so complete.  So maybe it is, at least partially, Cole.  Now the two of them are one, and they are something else--similar to an abomination, but more along the lines of a mortal merging with a spirit and leaving behind the flesh, as opposed to the other way around.

It would be interesting if he was... maybe he is our big bad? *evil grin*

[dragondreamer]

There's also the possibility that Cole doesn't really know exactly what he is yet, but now he knows he isn't human.  

 

 

It would be interesting if he was... maybe he is our big bad? *evil grin*

 

DUN DUN DUN...

 

I'm actually suspicious of Cole for a *few* things...

[Grieving Natashina]

It would be interesting if he was... maybe he is our big bad? *evil grin*

No thanks.  While Cole is interesting, it seems like too much off-screen character development for him to suddenly tear open the Veil like wet paper.

[efd731]

Maybe if he unintentionally set it off or was somehow a catalyst, that'd make sense. Think of veil tears as the reaper signal, and cole as legion In me3. He's unique so far, so who knows

[Brass_Buckles]

It would be interesting if he was... maybe he is our big bad? *evil grin*

 

On the one hand, it wouldn't surprise me.  On the other it seems unlikely.

What I do suspect is that if he is not a companion (or if he is and you encourage him down a corrupt path) we may have to battle him in a demon form.  That would make me sad, having to kill Cole like that.  But if he turns demon, well, I'm not going to let him rampage.

[dragondreamer]

No thanks.  While Cole is interesting, it seems like too much off-screen character development for him to suddenly tear open the Veil like wet paper.

 

Cole probably isn't "big bad", but if he was, I don't think it would be a simple case of him going "mwahahaha I'm evil Cole now!" and randomly tearing the sky open.  If anything, he might be part of the bigger puzzle.

[Steelcan]

Cole is the ghost child-like entity correct?

[Grieving Natashina]

Cole probably isn't "big bad", but if he was, I don't think it would be a simple case of him going "mwahahaha I'm evil Cole now!" and randomly tearing the sky open.  If anything, he might be part of the bigger puzzle.

The devs have stated that it's only one guy that's behind the Veil tears.  Now, such an event might allow Cole to be remembered and could leave him room to join the party and/or be an important NPC.  Still, I really doubt that he has anything to do with the Veil tears.

 

@Steel: Yes.

[Rusty Sandusky]

Isn't Cole this guy?

http://img1.wikia.no...Cole's_face.jpg

[Grieving Natashina]

Isn't Cole this guy?

http://img1.wikia.no...Cole's_face.jpg

Link doesn't work.

 

 

That's Cole, as seen on the back of Asunder.

 

 

 

A cute gif of Cole that a fan made.

[Steelcan]

please tell me he doesn't command the demons who are our salvation through destruction....

[efd731]

That gif.... Me likey

[Brass_Buckles]

You know, the most sympathetic thing about Cole is the wanting to be seen part.  Imagine how frustrating it would be to not be able to talk to anyone, to only just be able to watch them go about their lives while you were left behind.  No matter how curious you were, no matter how interesting they were, you couldn't say anything to them.

 

Or worse, you could, and then they'd forget.  Like the templars clearly noticed him long enough to walk around him, but not enough to be alarmed by the fact that he was present, or to remember that they'd done so.

[dragondreamer]

The devs have stated that it's only one guy that's behind the Veil tears.  Now, such an event might allow Cole to be remembered and could leave him room to join the party and/or be an important NPC.  Still, I really doubt that he has anything to do with the Veil tears.

 

@Steel: Yes.

 

One guy being behind it doesn't mean there's nothing else involved, in fact there seems to be an awful lot of players.  As for the rest, we'll just have to wait and see to know for sure.

 

To wander into crazy theory land, I've wondered if Cole could possibly be the OGB.  The mental age would be about the same, and who knows what happened to him when Morrigan took him to the place "beyond the Fade".  It could also explain the demon-like qualities and how he's able to manifest at all without possessing something.  I also wondered if the memories of the Archdemon and the Battle of Denerim in the Fade was actually Cole's memory and not Wynne's.  There's also the darkspawn that was standing very close to Cole as if listening to something...  The darkspawn listen to the song Old Gods give off.  Of course, this theory runs into the same issues that the OGB does in general.  

 

edit: Also, Morrigan wanted to hide the OGB, presumably so not even Flemeth could find him.  Cole's powers are a dream to anyone who wants to remain utterly hidden.  Not simply "invisible", but no one remembers him.  That last detail might be crucial if hiding from someone who can rip information from someone's mind.