If that scenario does indeed come to pass one of two things will occur.
One the Lord Seeker will go to sit at his God's Side or two Lambert will be purged of that vile Disease.
Either way that bottom feeding parasite will be banished back to the cursed realm that birthed him.
You and I both know I'd love to have Lambert as Lambert, but I have an awful feeling that Cole will appear as him 
You and I both know I'd love to have Lambert as Lambert, but I have an awful feeling that Cole will appear as him
You and me both, Gaider had to write in that last stupid little bit.
If it does come to pass i will content myself with knowing that eventually I'll get to bromance him for all eternity in the realm beyond the fade.
Sometimes its a perk to be a god 
You and me both, Gaider had to write in that last stupid little bit.
If it does come to pass i will content myself with knowing that eventually I'll get to bromance him for all eternity in the realm beyond the fade.
Sometimes its a perk to be a god
And I'll get to as well since I spread your good word and behave 
I think Lambert would be better than Cole to have, as much as I enjoyed Cole and felt for him, Lambert is just.. wow.
And I'll get to as well since I spread your good word and behave
I think Lambert would be better than Cole to have, as much as I enjoyed Cole and felt for him, Lambert is just.. wow.
Is Lambert from Nevarra or from Tevinter? His name seems to suggest the former, but the wiki states the latter.
I'm not sure how I feel about the idea of Cole possessing him. It would just be extremely weird to have Lambert acting in a Cole-like fashion.
Is Lambert from Nevarra or from Tevinter? His name seems to suggest the former, but the wiki states the latter.
I'm not sure how I feel about the idea of Cole possessing him. It would just be extremely weird to have Lambert acting in a Cole-like fashion.
Wow, really? I always thought he was from Nevarra but I just checked and you're right. I also read his story and it makes sense why he is the way he is.
I'd like to see Cole in Inquisition in some form since there are a lot of unanswered questions about him. One part in Asunder that I thought was particularly interesting was when they encountered darkspawn and Cole was apparently able to hear the music that the darkspawn hear. Does that mean all demons/spirits can hear it? It seemed like he found it frightening rather than beautiful like the Architect did.
i like the idea of cole, he'd be a great dlc character ala shale
My impression of Cole was that he'd changed substantially once he realized he wasn't really Cole. Before the Litany of Andralla situation, all he remembered was Cole, the mage boy that died. At the end, he realized he wasn't really the boy, which is what he tells Lambert. I think the Cole we would get, if he makes it into the game, would be more like an adult, because otherwise everything about taking him along would be weird. I think most likely his character arc will revolve around him swinging towards either the "good" path (helping people) or the "bad" path (killing people indiscriminately) now that he reached a higher level of general self-awareness.
Of course, that's just one theory. I'd love to see him in the game regardless which path they take with his personality, because I'd love to learn more about spirits without having just vague comments filtered through a possessed person. Especially with the veil tear being the major issue this game, I think his perspective could be really interesting.
I'd like to see Cole in Inquisition in some form since there are a lot of unanswered questions about him. One part in Asunder that I thought was particularly interesting was when they encountered darkspawn and Cole was apparently able to hear the music that the darkspawn hear. Does that mean all demons/spirits can hear it? It seemed like he found it frightening rather than beautiful like the Architect did.
Yeah, he didn't like it too well. I think he did think of it as beautiful, but, I don't remember the exact passage. I stayed up late reading it, so I may have missed a lot in the process of finishing it in the matter of a few hours... What can I say? I really liked Asunder.
I think that was basically confirmation that the darkspawn have a link to the Fade. It may also suggest the Old Gods have a link to spirits/demons, which wouldn't surprise me. And there's another suggestion, that the rift may be the location of one of the Old Gods.
Yeah, he didn't like it too well. I think he did think of it as beautiful, but, I don't remember the exact passage. I stayed up late reading it, so I may have missed a lot in the process of finishing it in the matter of a few hours... What can I say? I really liked Asunder.
I think that was basically confirmation that the darkspawn have a link to the Fade. It may also suggest the Old Gods have a link to spirits/demons, which wouldn't surprise me. And there's another suggestion, that the rift may be the location of one of the Old Gods.
Demons in the fade are said to avoid the Black City, where the taint comes from (supposedly). Avernus (in the Warden's Peak DLC) talks about how there is power in the taint which demons aren't familiar with. Also, the magic the Architect uses is an unknown type of magic that is (as far as we know) unique to (awakened?) Darkspawn. So my view is that whatever created one is either the antithesis to the other, or that the creator was corrupted somehow and became something that they now fear. I kind of like the idea that the "Maker" was intentionally corrupted by another God or God-like creature. But it's probably not something we'll ever find out.
Edit: Sorry for going a bit OT with that.
Well it is hard to tell what Cole was before, because he was two separate things before. Before he came to the Circle and died where he meet the the spirit. He was raised as a son living in fear from his father and possibly the rest of his family. And he did die in the Circle before fusing with the spirit or demon which means he couldn't be any happier in the Circle. Also the spirit or demon was something else before fusing with the remains of Cole and it did change in a sense. The entity did admit that there was a person named Cole and that it came to ease it's pain or suffering. Then the spirit/demon did something to change them both and they did become a new being in a way. In the story Cole didn't even know what it was for mainly the entire book. At the end of the book Cole knew what it was, but it isn't necessarily the same as who he was before. If he is in DA:I I personally think that he'll be the antagonist of the game.
Yeah, he didn't like it too well. I think he did think of it as beautiful, but, I don't remember the exact passage. I stayed up late reading it, so I may have missed a lot in the process of finishing it in the matter of a few hours... What can I say? I really liked Asunder.
I think that was basically confirmation that the darkspawn have a link to the Fade. It may also suggest the Old Gods have a link to spirits/demons, which wouldn't surprise me. And there's another suggestion, that the rift may be the location of one of the Old Gods.
He also hears the song of the fade as well.
He also hears the song of the fade as well.
He also got his nose busted by a righteous man.
Honestly the best usage of Cole the entire novel was that beat down in the sewers.
Well it is hard to tell what Cole was before, because he was two separate things before. Before he came to the Circle and died where he meet the the spirit. He was raised as a son living in fear from his father and possibly the rest of his family. And he did die in the Circle before fusing with the spirit or demon which means he couldn't be any happier in the Circle. Also the spirit or demon was something else before fusing with the remains of Cole and it did change in a sense. The entity did admit that there was a person named Cole and that it came to ease it's pain or suffering. Then the spirit/demon did something to change them both and they did become a new being in a way. In the story Cole didn't even know what it was for mainly the entire book. At the end of the book Cole knew what it was, but it isn't necessarily the same as who he was before. If he is in DA:I I personally think that he'll be the antagonist of the game.
I have thought about the possibility of Cole kind of running amok in Inquisition, but the idea of him being "the" antagonist ... is interesting. Can he have grown that much in the meantime? Can he be that powerful? By the end of Asunder he's more dangerous than lost and confused, I guess, that's true ... but that dangerous?
Hmm. Great, now I feel like I have to read Asunder again and think about this more. Anyway, I really expect Cole to appear somewhere again, if not in DA:I ... there are just too many unanswered questions.
Anyway, I really expect Cole to appear somewhere again, if not in DA:I ... there are just too many unanswered questions.
Also, Cole is just too much of an interesting character to let go after the novel.
I have thought about the possibility of Cole kind of running amok in Inquisition, but the idea of him being "the" antagonist ... is interesting. Can he have grown that much in the meantime? Can he be that powerful? By the end of Asunder he's more dangerous than lost and confused, I guess, that's true ... but that dangerous?
Hmm. Great, now I feel like I have to read Asunder again and think about this more. Anyway, I really expect Cole to appear somewhere again, if not in DA:I ... there are just too many unanswered questions.
Well a lot could happen given the time, I don't think it was announced as to when the game would take place. If I had to guess maybe a year or two after the Nevarran Accord. However, it doesn't really take long for there to be an antagonist for a story. Take Origins for example when I first meet Loghain I thought he was just a very good but stubborn general and I thought the antagonist would mainly be the blight and Arl Howe (I played the human noble first time through). It doesn't take much for someone to become an antagonist. He was also in the first two books and while he did show signs of his hatred and everything had to be done his way people (the readers) kinda agreed with him at the time (at least I did anyways). While neither of the first two books may not of shown guaranteed signs that it will happen it does show that it might happen. And I kinda see that with Asunder and Cole, at the very least.
Well a lot could happen given the time, I don't think it was announced as to when the game would take place. If I had to guess maybe a year or two after the Nevarran Accord. However, it doesn't really take long for there to be an antagonist for a story. Take Origins for example when I first meet Loghain I thought he was just a very good but stubborn general and I thought the antagonist would mainly be the blight and Arl Howe (I played the human noble first time through). It doesn't take much for someone to become an antagonist. He was also in the first two books and while he did show signs of his hatred and everything had to be done his way people (the readers) kinda agreed with him at the time (at least I did anyways). While any of the books showed may not show guaranteed signs that it will happen it does show that it might happen. And I kinda see that with Asunder and Cole, at the very least.
That's true. I'm still not sure whether I agree completely, but I see where you're coming from - and I want to add that I would find the idea interesting. There's much uncertainty about Cole ... he's kind of a wild card.
(I really like those kind of characters; they leave me thinking.)
Wow, really? I always thought he was from Nevarra but I just checked and you're right. I also read his story and it makes sense why he is the way he is.
If he is telling the truth that is. i have my doubts about his version of the story
If he is telling the truth that is. i have my doubts about his version of the story
While I have my issues with Lambert, a belief in him lying is not one of them. It makes sense for his character, we know the black divine practices blood magic, he has no reason to lie about it.
Lambert has his issues, but he still investigates the claims about Cole-can't find a record of a boy named cole ever being brought to the tower, asks Evangeline to produce Cole, which she can't do, debates Rhys's story with him when he is already a captive, doesn't outright kill any of the mages once they are imprisoned in the spire dungeons, etc etc etc.
While I have my issues with Lambert, a belief in him lying is not one of them. It makes sense for his character, we know the black divine practices blood magic, he has no reason to lie about it.
Lambert has his issues, but he still investigates the claims about Cole-can't find a record of a boy named cole ever being brought to the tower, asks Evangeline to produce Cole, which she can't do, debates Rhys's story with him when he is already a captive, doesn't outright kill any of the mages once they are imprisoned in the spire dungeons, etc etc etc.
That's the point, Fiona and Lambert are both like that. They have not committed anything "evil" such as murder etc... So yes I doubt he was lying.
While I have my issues with Lambert, a belief in him lying is not one of them. It makes sense for his character, we know the black divine practices blood magic, he has no reason to lie about it.
Lambert has his issues, but he still investigates the claims about Cole-can't find a record of a boy named cole ever being brought to the tower, asks Evangeline to produce Cole, which she can't do, debates Rhys's story with him when he is already a captive, doesn't outright kill any of the mages once they are imprisoned in the spire dungeons, etc etc etc.
I should have said i believe he hasn't told the whole story he doesn't strike me as a liar. But if he acted as incompetently in the tevinter imperium as he did through the entire asunder book he would ****** of a lot more people then the black divine. Political inconveniences like lamber would be exiled in the Roman and Byzantine empire and be declared persona non grata. And the tevinters are mirrored on the Byzantine empire.
I should have said i believe he hasn't told the whole story he doesn't strike me as a liar. But if he acted as incompetently in the tevinter imperium as he did through the entire asunder book he would ****** of a lot more people then the black divine. Political inconveniences like lamber would be exiled in the Roman and Byzantine empire and be declared persona non grata. And the tevinters are mirrored on the Byzantine empire.
Tevinter doesn't mirror the Byzantine Empire 100%. They're just based off of the Byzantines.
My impression of Cole was that he'd changed substantially once he realized he wasn't really Cole. Before the Litany of Andralla situation, all he remembered was Cole, the mage boy that died. At the end, he realized he wasn't really the boy, which is what he tells Lambert. I think the Cole we would get, if he makes it into the game, would be more like an adult, because otherwise everything about taking him along would be weird. I think most likely his character arc will revolve around him swinging towards either the "good" path (helping people) or the "bad" path (killing people indiscriminately) now that he reached a higher level of general self-awareness.
Of course, that's just one theory. I'd love to see him in the game regardless which path they take with his personality, because I'd love to learn more about spirits without having just vague comments filtered through a possessed person. Especially with the veil tear being the major issue this game, I think his perspective could be really interesting.
Thats exactly the idea I was proposing earlier ... but you worded it much better Thank You
Well I finally sat down today and actually gave Asunder a read.
Gotta say, best fantasy book I've read in a while.
At this point, I still doubt Cole will be a companion in the game; if he is, I imagine he'll be one with a unique mechanic to him, like Shale.
But I certainly hope he, Rhys, and Evangeline make it into the game. They're all characters I would like to interact with.
So this screenshot, am I the only one who thinks that the dual wielding rogue there could be Cole? He certainly fits the description of Cole we have.
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