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[JeffZero]

Don't worry, I did too...

[sandalisthemaker]

I am Cullen fanboy through and through, but I do think he will most likely be just an important NPC, perhaps our Inquisition's link to a more moderate Templar group.

 

I don't think Cole will be a companion either, merely an important NPC.

 

Yeah, Cole. Ew.

 

I'm hoping that Mustache Guy = Dorian for a 3rd mage, or Mustache Guy = a 3rd rogue.

 

Re: Cullen. The one thing that keeps me from discounting him from a spot in the companion roster is the fact that his voice actor was tweeting about being in the game ages ago. With the recent revelation that Alistair's VA was called in so late in the process, I'm thinking that Cullen's VA recording much earlier may indicate that Cullen has a larger role throughout the story than Alistair. Just observation/speculation on my part, though.

[Brass_Buckles]

 

Thank you. Oh and I seem to have run out of likes again. 

 

 

Exactly. So if people start complaining that he wasn't in the game, BioWare can just say he was, but we'd forgotten about it.

 

 

So now we are going to have to pull an Evangeline and start writing ourselves notes about Cole, so that we can then think about Cole in order to tell others in the Inquisition about him...

[Hellion Rex]

Yeah, Cole. Ew.

 

I'm hoping that Mustache Guy = Dorian for a 3rd mage, or Mustache Guy = a 3rd rogue.

 

Re: Cullen, the one thing that keeps me from discounting him from a spot in the companion roster is the fact that his voice actor was tweeting about being in the game ages ago. With the recent revelation that Alistair's VA was called in so late in the process, I'm thinking that Cullen's VA recording much earlier may indicate that Cullen has a larger role throughout the story than Alistair. Just observation/speculation on my part, though.

I would agree about Cullen, however I don't know if that makes him a companion, or just a really, really important NPC. I'm fine with it either way.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Yeah, Cole. Ew.

 

I'm hoping that Mustache Guy = Dorian for a 3rd mage, or Mustache Guy = a 3rd rogue.

 

Re: Cullen, the one thing that keeps me from discounting him from a spot in the companion roster is the fact that his voice actor was tweeting about being in the game ages ago. With the recent revelation that Alistair's VA was called in so late in the process, I'm thinking that Cullen's VA recording much earlier may indicate that Cullen has a larger role throughout the story than Alistair. Just observation/speculation on my part, though.

If he were a home base NPC it's likely he'd still get a lot more dialog than Alistair, who may only be on screen for one scene with a handful of lines. Alistair probably wont get a very big role at all because he might be dead in some people's games. The home base NPCs might still be fairly important, even if they're not companions.

[TheLittleBird]

So now we are going to have to pull an Evangeline and start writing ourselves notes about Cole, so that we can then think about Cole in order to tell others in the Inquisition about him...

 

Wild theory here, but what if certain dialogue options about Cole were locked with a password, which quickly appeared on screen an hour beforehand? And we'd have to write that down, lest we forget.

[JeffZero]

Yeah, if home base NPCs get as much dialogue as Samantha Traynor in ME3, I dare say they would likely have more than Alistair is receiving in Inquisition.

[JeffZero]

Wild theory here, but what if certain dialogue options about Cole were locked with a password, which quickly appeared on screen an hour beforehand? And we'd have to write that down, lest we forget.

And the manual that comes with the game has a Notes section and we all scramble to jot stuff down like we're playing Sega Genesis games.

Ha, who am I kidding. What manual?

[Brass_Buckles]

Yeah, Cole. Ew.

 

I'm hoping that Mustache Guy = Dorian for a 3rd mage, or Mustache Guy = a 3rd rogue.

 

Re: Cullen, the one thing that keeps me from discounting him from a spot in the companion roster is the fact that his voice actor was tweeting about being in the game ages ago. With the recent revelation that Alistair's VA was called in so late in the process, I'm thinking that Cullen's VA recording much earlier may indicate that Cullen has a larger role throughout the story than Alistair. Just observation/speculation on my part, though.

 

I'm not really sure why you're Cole-hating in a thread about Cole.  I didn't sympathize with him because of the abuse background, but because of his compassion to others.  Was kind of shocked when I realized he had to be the murderer (before getting to the scene where he was killing someone), and even then he was trying to be compassionate to the victims, and probably thought he was doing them a favor.  So in other words he simply didn't know any better--his mind isn't mature enough for that.

 

He's quite child-like.  Could be interesting, if he were in the party, if he were to meet Sandal.  But, I think the Cullen fans are more likely to get their wish than I am to see Cole as a companion.  I just don't care for Cullen after DA2.  He was adorable in DAO, I'll give you that.

 

The thing about having Cole as a companion, though, is you'd have the opportunity to teach him how to be more human.  Or how to be less human, if you preferred to go that route.  While trying to sway Cullen back into not hating mages might be interesting, I think Cole's story would be more interesting because you're possibly trying to de-corrupt a demon.

[TheLittleBird]

And the manual that comes with the game has a Notes section and we all scramble to jot stuff down like we're playing Sega Genesis games.

Ha, who am I kidding. What manual?

 

Ah, how fondly I remember game manuals. The first contact with a game while you were sitting in the car, still unable to play the newly bought entertainment at that time.

 

That Note section will probably be in the Keep. Together with a Character Creator for Cole, in which we couldn't change nuffin'.

[JeffZero]

Ah, how fondly I remember game manuals. The first contact with a game while you were sitting in the car, still unable to play the newly bought entertainment at that time.

That Note section will probably be in the Keep. Together with a Character Creator for Cole, in which we couldn't change nuffin'.

For me it was the four-mile walk home (poor, haha) but that made it all the sweeter. I studied the hell outta those manuals as I trotted along giddily.

[sandalisthemaker]

I'm not really sure why you're Cole-hating in a thread about Cole.  I didn't sympathize with him because of the abuse background, but because of his compassion to others.  Was kind of shocked when I realized he had to be the murderer (before getting to the scene where he was killing someone), and even then he was trying to be compassionate to the victims, and probably thought he was doing them a favor.  So in other words he simply didn't know any better--his mind isn't mature enough for that.

 

He's quite child-like.  Could be interesting, if he were in the party, if he were to meet Sandal.  But, I think the Cullen fans are more likely to get their wish than I am to see Cole as a companion.  I just don't care for Cullen after DA2.  He was adorable in DAO, I'll give you that.

 

The thing about having Cole as a companion, though, is you'd have the opportunity to teach him how to be more human.  Or how to be less human, if you preferred to go that route.  While trying to sway Cullen back into not hating mages might be interesting, I think Cole's story would be more interesting because you're possibly trying to de-corrupt a demon.

 

I found Cole to be annoying. To the point where I cheered when Lambert beat him senseless. 

 

I had no sympathy for him, mostly due to my bias against demons. I believe that Cole isn't as innocent or naive as he is letting on. I believe he was manipulating Rhys and possibly feeding (literally in order to grow stronger) off the sympathy he was receiving from not only him, but Evangeline. His actions at the very end of the novel only enforce my beliefs regarding him. I consider him to be unstable and a threat at this point.

[JeffZero]

I don't believe that at all, given the shear number of perspective passages we were afforded.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I found Cole to be annoying. To the point where I cheered when Lambert beat him senseless. 

 

I had no sympathy for him, mostly due to my bias against demons. I believe that Cole isn't as innocent or naive as he is letting on. I believe he was manipulating Rhys and possibly feeding (literally in order to grow stronger) off the sympathy he was receiving from not only him, but Evangeline. His actions at the very end of the novel only enforce my beliefs regarding him. I consider him to be unstable and a threat at this point.

Because of the way Gaider talks about Cole, I don't really believe that's the way he imagined the character.

[TheLittleBird]

There was something about the ending of Asunder which really hit me.... somewhere. Almost feeling betrayed. I still don't believe that what Rhys now thinks of Cole is the truth. Lambert sounded so manipulative it almost has to be something... more, or else.

[sandalisthemaker]

I don't believe that at all, given the shear number of perspective passages we were afforded.

 

That's not to say the demon wasn't confused. I think he definitely was, since it's stated that demons can get disoriented when crossing the veil. He just thought he was the boy the entire time, to the point where he assumed the boy's form. At the end, he showed that he wasn't the actual boy at all.

[JeffZero]

Oh, I get you now, yeah. Eh, maybe.

[Brass_Buckles]

I found Cole to be annoying. To the point where I cheered when Lambert beat him senseless. 

 

I had no sympathy for him, mostly due to my bias against demons. I believe that Cole isn't as innocent or naive as he is letting on. I believe he was manipulating Rhys and possibly feeding (literally in order to grow stronger) off the sympathy he was receiving from not only him, but Evangeline. His actions at the very end of the novel only enforce my beliefs regarding him. I consider him to be unstable and a threat at this point.

 

I'm with JeffZero on this one.  If he were doing any feeding, it was entirely unintentional.  Wynne would have known for sure had Cole been a demon.

 

My theory is that Cole is somewhere between a spirit and a demon.  Thus, the Litany of Adralla worked on him because he's just corrupted enough for it to do so.  Why would a demon be showing compassion to anyone?  But Cole did.  You could tell from his perspective that even if he didn't quite humanize all of the mages, he sympathized with them.

 

He was also extraordinarily lonely.

 

More than likely, his loneliness combined with his interactions with Rhys and the templars and the despair he found within the Pit began his corruption.  Otherwise, he'd be a spirit of Hope (I think).

Not that Lambert wasn't justified in his concerns, and not that Cole could not have ended up using Rhys as a host, whether he meant to do so or not.  And I do not believe he would have meant to; he wasn't sure about anything, after all.  Lambert may not be written sympathetically, but his actions aren't unreasonable.  He's just not a nice guy.  He reminds me of a Loghain type:  Not much warmth, mostly business, and may do some things of questionable morality to see to it that what he thinks needs doing gets done.  But, he isn't overtly evil.  Or so we think.

 

What I do know is, he is probably not an abomination, which would mean he's either a Shade, or something else.  The templars tried to hide Cole's death--they would have burnt the body, because that's how good Andrastians deal with the dead.  So there was nothing there to be possessed.  And maybe that's the first thing that started Cole along the path of corruption.  I doubt the dagger he packs around is even "real" in the sense that we think of it being real.  It's literally part of Cole, because he believes he should have it.

 

Rhys thinks that maybe he killed the mages, but I think Cole definitely did it.  Rhys might have been sneaking around to see him, and the more he interacted, the worse Cole felt.  Spirits become demons when they want something.  Cole wanted to stop being lonely.  He wanted people to see him, other than Rhys.  He might never have corrupted at all if Rhys had never seen him.

 

And yet, I also got the notion that he feels that "oily black" corruption, and he's fighting against it, until the very end with Lambert.  And speaking of that, I got the impression that it was maybe Lambert specifically who tried to cover up Cole's death way back when, which is why Cole decided to go on the attack against Lambert, along with the fact that he saw Lambert as antagonizing Rhys--Rhys, who seemed to be more of a father figure to Cole than a friend.  So, while Cole's actions are reprehensible, they are also understandable.

 

Phew.  That was a long post.

 

Edit:  Also, we are told that Cole-the-spirit sat by Cole-the-boy holding his hand as he died.  While it's possible a despair demon could have done so to encourage Cole-the-boy to give up on life, it's more likely that Cole wasn't a demon at that point (he may be now, or he may be something in between).  Either that, or it's possible for demons to have compassion for the mortals they scorn and envy, and Cole is actually transitioning into a spirit, from a demon--which is also an interesting possibility.

[sandalisthemaker]

There was something about the ending of Asunder which really hit me.... somewhere. Almost feeling betrayed. I still don't believe that what Rhys now thinks of Cole is the truth. Lambert sounded so manipulative it almost has to be something... more, or else.

 

What do you mean.

[TheLittleBird]

Having Cole be exactly what he appears to be to Rhys at the end of Asunder just seems like the easy way out for me... I mean, it didn't even feel like a really satisfying answer to all the questions I had about him. I just think there's more to it than is in the novel.

 

 

What do you mean.

 

Well, just because the "bad guy" suddenly pulls out the Litany and tells everyone Cole's just a demon, didn't feel all that satisfying or convincing to me.

[JeffZero]

Great post, Brass. I'd like it but I'm out of likes and I'd say more but I'm trying to wind down and turn in early tonight.

Please, call me Jeff, though.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I liked it for Jeff, because it seems like I never run out of likes and that makes me feel like I'm just not taking enough chances with my approval. 

[sandalisthemaker]

I'm with JeffZero on this one.  If he were doing any feeding, it was entirely unintentional.  Wynne would have known for sure had Cole been a demon.

 

My theory is that Cole is somewhere between a spirit and a demon.  Thus, the Litany of Adralla worked on him because he's just corrupted enough for it to do so.  Why would a demon be showing compassion to anyone?  But Cole did.  You could tell from his perspective that even if he didn't quite humanize all of the mages, he sympathized with them.

 

He was also extraordinarily lonely.

 

More than likely, his loneliness combined with his interactions with Rhys and the templars and the despair he found within the Pit began his corruption.  Otherwise, he'd be a spirit of Hope (I think).

Not that Lambert wasn't justified in his concerns, and not that Cole could not have ended up using Rhys as a host, whether he meant to do so or not.  And I do not believe he would have meant to; he wasn't sure about anything, after all.  Lambert may not be written sympathetically, but his actions aren't unreasonable.  He's just not a nice guy.  He reminds me of a Loghain type:  Not much warmth, mostly business, and may do some things of questionable morality to see to it that what he thinks needs doing gets done.  But, he isn't overtly evil.  Or so we think.

 

What I do know is, he is probably not an abomination, which would mean he's either a Shade, or something else.  The templars tried to hide Cole's death--they would have burnt the body, because that's how good Andrastians deal with the dead.  So there was nothing there to be possessed.  And maybe that's the first thing that started Cole along the path of corruption.  I doubt the dagger he packs around is even "real" in the sense that we think of it being real.  It's literally part of Cole, because he believes he should have it.

 

Rhys thinks that maybe he killed the mages, but I think Cole definitely did it.  Rhys might have been sneaking around to see him, and the more he interacted, the worse Cole felt.  Spirits become demons when they want something.  Cole wanted to stop being lonely.  He wanted people to see him, other than Rhys.  He might never have corrupted at all if Rhys had never seen him.

 

And yet, I also got the notion that he feels that "oily black" corruption, and he's fighting against it, until the very end with Lambert.  And speaking of that, I got the impression that it was maybe Lambert specifically who tried to cover up Cole's death way back when, which is why Cole decided to go on the attack against Lambert, along with the fact that he saw Lambert as antagonizing Rhys--Rhys, who seemed to be more of a father figure to Cole than a friend.  So, while Cole's actions are reprehensible, they are also understandable.

 

Phew.  That was a long post.

 

Edit:  Also, we are told that Cole-the-spirit sat by Cole-the-boy holding his hand as he died.  While it's possible a despair demon could have done so to encourage Cole-the-boy to give up on life, it's more likely that Cole wasn't a demon at that point (he may be now, or he may be something in between).  Either that, or it's possible for demons to have compassion for the mortals they scorn and envy, and Cole is actually transitioning into a spirit, from a demon--which is also an interesting possibility.

 

I agree with your assessment of Cole, in that he def. isn't an abomination. Whether he is somewhere between a demon and a spirit certainly is possible, but the fact that he uses blood magic leads me to believe he is too far gone and closer to a demon than not. 

 

The fact that he 'doesn't mean' to use blood magic or manipulate or kill makes him all the more dangerous tbh. 

[JeffZero]

I liked it for Jeff, because it seems like I never run out of likes and that makes me feel like I'm just not taking enough chances with my approval.

Haha, "taking chances."

Like liking posts on the new BSN. Heavy risk... but the notoriiiiety.

[TheLittleBird]

I'm with JeffZero on this one.  If he were doing any feeding, it was entirely unintentional.  Wynne would have known for sure had Cole been a demon.

 

My theory is that Cole is somewhere between a spirit and a demon.  Thus, the Litany of Adralla worked on him because he's just corrupted enough for it to do so.  Why would a demon be showing compassion to anyone?  But Cole did.  You could tell from his perspective that even if he didn't quite humanize all of the mages, he sympathized with them.

 

He was also extraordinarily lonely.

 

More than likely, his loneliness combined with his interactions with Rhys and the templars and the despair he found within the Pit began his corruption.  Otherwise, he'd be a spirit of Hope (I think).

Not that Lambert wasn't justified in his concerns, and not that Cole could not have ended up using Rhys as a host, whether he meant to do so or not.  And I do not believe he would have meant to; he wasn't sure about anything, after all.  Lambert may not be written sympathetically, but his actions aren't unreasonable.  He's just not a nice guy.  He reminds me of a Loghain type:  Not much warmth, mostly business, and may do some things of questionable morality to see to it that what he thinks needs doing gets done.  But, he isn't overtly evil.  Or so we think.

 

What I do know is, he is probably not an abomination, which would mean he's either a Shade, or something else.  The templars tried to hide Cole's death--they would have burnt the body, because that's how good Andrastians deal with the dead.  So there was nothing there to be possessed.  And maybe that's the first thing that started Cole along the path of corruption.  I doubt the dagger he packs around is even "real" in the sense that we think of it being real.  It's literally part of Cole, because he believes he should have it.

 

Rhys thinks that maybe he killed the mages, but I think Cole definitely did it.  Rhys might have been sneaking around to see him, and the more he interacted, the worse Cole felt.  Spirits become demons when they want something.  Cole wanted to stop being lonely.  He wanted people to see him, other than Rhys.  He might never have corrupted at all if Rhys had never seen him.

 

And yet, I also got the notion that he feels that "oily black" corruption, and he's fighting against it, until the very end with Lambert.  And speaking of that, I got the impression that it was maybe Lambert specifically who tried to cover up Cole's death way back when, which is why Cole decided to go on the attack against Lambert, along with the fact that he saw Lambert as antagonizing Rhys--Rhys, who seemed to be more of a father figure to Cole than a friend.  So, while Cole's actions are reprehensible, they are also understandable.

 

Phew.  That was a long post.

 

Edit:  Also, we are told that Cole-the-spirit sat by Cole-the-boy holding his hand as he died.  While it's possible a despair demon could have done so to encourage Cole-the-boy to give up on life, it's more likely that Cole wasn't a demon at that point (he may be now, or he may be something in between).  Either that, or it's possible for demons to have compassion for the mortals they scorn and envy, and Cole is actually transitioning into a spirit, from a demon--which is also an interesting possibility.

 

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