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[JeffZero]

This. This. This.
Yes.

Exactly.

[sandalisthemaker]

Having Cole be exactly what he appears to be to Rhys at the end of Asunder just seems like the easy way out for me... I mean, it didn't even feel like a really satisfying answer to all the questions I had about him. I just think there's more to it than is in the novel.

 

 

 

 

Well, just because the "bad guy" suddenly pulls out the Litany and tells everyone Cole's just a demon, didn't feel all that satisfying or convincing to me.

 

 

But it worked on Cole. It wouldn't have worked on him if he wasn't a demon. The very last page seals the deal for me. 

 

He said:  "There was a Cole... you forgot him in that cell....I went to him and held his hand in the darkness...."

 

Then he got corrupted. The fact that he coldly tells Lambert that:   "I'm not helpless anymore,"  makes me think he's no longer confused. He knows what he really is now.

[Brass_Buckles]

I agree with your assessment of Cole, in that he def. isn't an abomination. Whether he is somewhere between a demon and a spirit certainly is possible, but the fact that he uses blood magic leads me to believe he is too far gone and closer to a demon than not. 

 

The fact that he 'doesn't mean' to use blood magic or manipulate or kill makes him all the more dangerous tbh. 

 

He's dangerous, but remember that when Rhys, someone he cares about and respects, tells him, "Killing is bad, you can't just kill to make yourself feel more important," he listens.  And then he doesn't kill until Lambert, at the end, when, again, I think Lambert may be specifically responsible for Cole-The-Boy dying.  So he's not totally out of control, even if "not knowing any better" still does make him horribly dangerous.

 

And I wonder if Lambert might realize that, which could have explained why he figured out quickly that something was up with this Cole kid and Rhys, and brought along a Litany of Adralla.  Maybe it was as much to hide his own guilt as to get rid of a presumed demon.

[TheLittleBird]

But it worked on Cole. It wouldn't have worked on him if he wasn't a demon. The very last page seals the deal for me. 

 

He said:  "There was a Cole... you forgot him in that cell....I went to him and held his hand in the darkness...."

 

Yes, I know, but that just didn't feel right to me (as evidence, I mean) since I don't know what happened between the sewer-scene and that final page.

[Brass_Buckles]

Yes, I know, but that just didn't feel right to me (as evidence, I mean) since I don't know what happened between the sewer-scene and that final page.

 

I think, again, that it means Lambert was specifically responsible for Cole the Boy dying.  And maybe, Cole the Boy wanted something bad to happen to Lambert, so Cole the Spirit felt obligated to do something about that--yet another bit of corrupting influence, when Cole knew nothing about the mortal realm.

 

If we meet him in Inquisition, he might be fully corrupted, or we might have a chance to save him from his corruption.  I suspect we'll end up having to kill him, because I just can't see them making him a companion, since we haven't seen a bit of art for him.  I don't want to kill him; I want to help him.  If he can understand he's becoming corrupted, then the corruption can be held at bay.

 

In any case, if he's not in Inquisition, I genuinely hope we'll meet him in the game that comes after.  I think he'd be a fascinating companion, and with the Veil Tear, well, maybe everyone could see him now.

[sandalisthemaker]

Can a demon even be purified and turned back into a benevolent spirit? We've only ever had examples of spirits going bad, not the other way around.

[TheLittleBird]

I actually think it's likely he's possessed Lambert.... since Lambert went missing and is just presumed dead, I think, which kind of suggests Cole did not kill him.

[Brass_Buckles]

Can a demon even be purified and turned back into a benevolent spirit? We've only ever had examples of spirits going bad, not the other way around.

 

If you could purify a demon, wouldn't you want to?

 

But yes, spirits can go bad, but it may be possible for them to stop being bad.  I suppose they'd have to WANT to, though.  And yet, Cole clearly doesn't want to be bad, so it's entirely possible that his desire to be good could at least prevent further corruption, even if it might never purify him.

 

And also, LittleBird:  You might very well be right.  The book makes it sound like he's killed Lambert, but if he could possess him and make him suffer more, well... Let's just say Cole seemed pretty angry at that point.

[sandalisthemaker]

I actually think it's likely he's possessed Lambert.... since Lambert went missing and is just presumed dead, I think, which kind of suggests Cole did not kill him.

 

The ending is ambiguous enough to make that possible. The fact that Cole would feel compelled to even do that makes me definitely think he is not as naive as he seems, or perhaps just no longer confused. It would suggest that he has some sort of plan or goal that possessing Lambert would allow him to achieve. At least that's my wild speculation- that he possessed Lambert in order to cause chaos among the Seekers/Templars since he associates the Templars as the ones who tried to kill Rhys.

[Brass_Buckles]

The ending is ambiguous enough to make that possible. The fact that Cole would feel compelled to even do that makes me definitely think he is not as naive as he seems, or perhaps just no longer confused. It would suggest that he has some sort of plan or goal that possessing Lambert would allow him to achieve. At least that's my wild speculation- that he possessed Lambert in order to cause chaos among the Seekers/Templars since he associates the Templars as the ones who tried to kill Rhys.

 

He also associates them with the ones who left Cole-the-boy to rot, and I think that might be a bigger influence on him than Rhys is.  He didn't have any problem with Evangeline, after all.  In fact, although it might have been due to Rhys's influence, he seemed to kind of like her (he really liked that forehead smooch, I remember).

 

Edit:  By the way... someone thought Cole might be in one of these screenshots that were released a few days ago, as shown in this thread:  http://forum.bioware...46-new-screens/

 

If he's present, he would be the shaggy-haired blond guy in green on the far left where the group is fighting a troll.  There's no other character that looks like that.  Of course, it could be the Inquisitor with customized armor and longish hair.

 

The guy on the far right has been identified as the bearded Warden, but could be the Inquisitor or even Cullen--the starburst on the character's back makes me think of the Seeker's Eye or the Inquisitor emblem.

 

What do you think?  Could the man in green be Cole?  Doesn't really look like a woman to me, though it may turn out that "he" is actually Sera.

[sandalisthemaker]

He also associates them with the ones who left Cole-the-boy to rot, and I think that might be a bigger influence on him than Rhys is.  He didn't have any problem with Evangeline, after all.  In fact, although it might have been due to Rhys's influence, he seemed to kind of like her (he really liked that forehead smooch, I remember).

 

True.

 

As far as wanting to try to purify a demon- It's an interesting idea. I just don't know if my Inquisitor would want to give a demon the benefit of the doubt to even try.

 

If Cole is indeed a companion, my Inquisitor is definitely going to keep a wary eye on him. 

[JeffZero]

Mine will too, but mostly because they won't have known him prior, heh.

[sandalisthemaker]

Oh, and I'm also not too keen on the idea of having a creature on my team who is constantly radiating blood magic (the invisibility/amnesia thing).

[Brass_Buckles]

True.

 

As far as wanting to try to purify a demon- It's an interesting idea. I just don't know if my Inquisitor would want to give a demon the benefit of the doubt to even try.

 

If Cole is indeed a companion, my Inquisitor is definitely going to keep a wary eye on him. 

 

I would hope so.  My Inquisitor will likely be keeping an eye on everyone in the party.  Party members like to squabble, and if it's anything like DA:O or DA2, at least half of them have good reason to kill her.

[efd731]

Never read the book, And my DA:O lore is a bit rusty. In game the litanny disrupts blood magic, but demons don't use blood magic right? They don't bleed(but they do teach it), so maybe it disrupts fade effects in general? Spirits and demons alike?

[Gregolian]

IF Cole is a demon he has to be the most benevolent and easiest going demon ever.

[Mockingword]

IF Cole is a demon he has to be the most benevolent and easiest going demon ever.

Weren't most, if not all of his victims people who desperately wanted to die?

 

I kind of have a hard time condemning him for that.

[Gregolian]

Weren't most, if not all of his victims people who desperately wanted to die?

 

I kind of have a hard time condemning him for that.

Except Lambert...  but Lambert was a ****** *******.

[efd731]

Except Lambert... but Lambert was a ****** *******.

As well as a stubborn ******** and a *******ing caricature of what he could've been.

[Former_Fiend]

Once reason I don't think we'll get Cole as a companion is that Cole kind of sucks in a fight. He's good for stealth kills, but not much else.

[Brass_Buckles]

Once reason I don't think we'll get Cole as a companion is that Cole kind of sucks in a fight. He's good for stealth kills, but not much else.

 

True.  But he's also a rogue/mage hybrid.  If he appears in-game we don't know what skills he might have learned since the end of Asunder, which may be a year or more before the events of Inquisition.

 

Also, if Lambert just disappeared, does that mean Cole possessed him or does it mean Cole managed to sneak off with him?  Or perhaps he did something even worse:  somehow inflicted Lambert with his own invisibility?  Actually that would be kind of poetic, if Lambert were the one specifically responsible for the death of Cole the Boy.  It would also mean that Cole is still listening to Rhys, and not killing people anymore.  The only thing is I don't know how he'd manage to achieve such a feat.

[TheLittleBird]

True.  But he's also a rogue/mage hybrid.  If he appears in-game we don't know what skills he might have learned since the end of Asunder, which may be a year or more before the events of Inquisition.

 

Also, if Lambert just disappeared, does that mean Cole possessed him or does it mean Cole managed to sneak off with him?  Or perhaps he did something even worse:  somehow inflicted Lambert with his own invisibility?  Actually that would be kind of poetic, if Lambert were the one specifically responsible for the death of Cole the Boy.  It would also mean that Cole is still listening to Rhys, and not killing people anymore.  The only thing is I don't know how he'd manage to achieve such a feat.

 

What if Cole possessed Lambert and we'll get him as a companion? 

[dragondreamer]

Once reason I don't think we'll get Cole as a companion is that Cole kind of sucks in a fight. He's good for stealth kills, but not much else.

 

He wasn't bad against that fake Archdemon in the Fade.  Besides, he just needs some leveling up.     He was barely learning how to control his own powers when he fought Lambert.

 

I've wondered if Cole might be using Lambert as a new host, since he let Rhys go once he realized what he was subconsciously doing with him.  I don't think Cole is an abomination in that he inhabits someone else's body, but I think he feeds off energy from someone he's attached himself to.  Especially since it's implied that the murders didn't start until after Rhys befriended Cole.  

 

Another thing perhaps related to the above, is that I've suspected that Lambert might actually be a mage.  Cole notices at one point that Lambert has something different inside him from other templars.  It's also apparently how Lambert sensed Cole's presence that one time.  The other person Cole has this kind of reaction to is Wynne, which is obviously because of her Faith spirit.   So at first I thought that maybe Lambert was an abomination, but then I started thinking that he could be a mage...  a mage-hating templar mage is really strange to think about, but he DOES come from Tevinter.  If he was a mage, that might make it easier for Cole to take control of him.

[Brass_Buckles]

What if Cole possessed Lambert and we'll get him as a companion? 

 

It's possible, but we haven't really seen any art of anyone who looks like Lambert.

 

Did you see the link I posted on the last page or so?  The one with the screenshots in that thread?  The pic with the party fighting a troll looks like it may have Cole in there.  Shaggy blond hair, unassuming woodsy gear/leathers in green.  It could be the Inquisitor, or I could be mistaking the gender and it might be Sera, but I'd say the Inquisitor is more likely the man on the far right, else that's Cullen (the symbol on his back doesn't look like a griffin)--in which case, where is the Inquisitor, anyway?

 

It's possible that Cole might have possessed Lambert, but it doesn't seem as likely to me as him killing Lambert or doing something else to the Seeker, given what we know of Cole's personality.  Then again, all of that could have changed as soon as Cole realized what he is.  If he did possess Lambert, is it possible for him to make Lambert look like Cole?  And could Lambert be Dramatic Hands Moustache Guy?  That could be interesting...

 

Edit:  Just had a funny thought.  What if in those screenshots we've seen where there are only two companions, with the Inquisitor, Cole is actually the third companion?  He could still have a character design, but we'd only see him during actual combat.

[Grieving Natashina]

My concern is the same one in the Adrian thread:  In order to introduce a character from the books to the game, even as a NPC, the writing team would have to set it up properly.  Not everyone read the books and to assume such could leave some players in the dark.  Why should they care about Adrian, Rhys or Cole if they didn't read the story?

 

 If the writing team could manage to do a new introduction for unfamiliar players, while keeping it fresh for those that know the story, then we could be onto something.  I think the writing team is capable of it, but if Adrian or Cole were to appear in the game, it would be a first.  I believe it would be the first characters to come from the books into the games, rather than the other way around.  

 

Tricky business to be sure.

 

@Brass I just looked through those screenshots.  Where is Cole supposedly at?  I didn't see anyone that looked blond and slight of build that fits.