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[MrGOH]

Yojimboo wrote...

*snip*

Thats not the debate where are here about, it's in their right to take down that stream, thats all i wanted to say.

And I agree 100% - EA/Bioware has that right. Just want folks to be precise in their discussion of IP issues, since these sorts of things are hashed over quite a bit in online gaming forums.

[Rip504]

Darth_Shizz wrote...

 http://community.eu....?v=mpbl-1&px=-1

This is by far one of the best I have seen..

[MrGOH]

SnowHeart1 wrote...

MrGOH wrote...

I've never agreed to any terms of service when playing an Xbox game, and nothing ever pops up requesting that I do.

Um, that won't fly in court.  Certainly not a US court.  Good luck with that, though.

Right, because the better argument is that the right to broadcast is exclusive to the copyright owner under the federal Copyright statute, so why bother to ague about the enforcibility of an unsigned contract on state law grounds?

[Sunflower Samurai]

[Yojimboo]

MrGOH wrote...

Yojimboo wrote...

*snip*

Thats not the debate where are here about, it's in their right to take down that stream, thats all i wanted to say.

And I agree 100% - EA/Bioware has that right. Just want folks to be precise in their discussion of IP issues, since these sorts of things are hashed over quite a bit in online gaming forums.

I think i was rather precise, i never said the stream was illegal, just that the IP holder has the right to terminate anything that has to do with it, yes even screenshots.

[MrGOH]

Yojimboo wrote...

MrGOH wrote...

Yojimboo wrote...

*snip*

Thats not the debate where are here about, it's in their right to take down that stream, thats all i wanted to say.

And I agree 100% - EA/Bioware has that right. Just want folks to be precise in their discussion of IP issues, since these sorts of things are hashed over quite a bit in online gaming forums.

I think i was rather precise, i never said the stream was illegal, just that the IP holder has the right to terminate anything that has to do with it, yes even screenshots.

You were in your earlier posts - I was just responding to the EULA in the instruction manual comment. I'm just being unnecessarily pedantic about it, I realize. I apologize.

[Rip504]

Alot of bush beeding???

[SnowHeart1]

MojojojoeJDH wrote...

This is the great thing about the internet, there is no way to know if that poster is man, woman and really has a husband who just happens to work in IP law, seems convenient.

You don't need to take my word for it.  Research it.  There are free caselaw research tools you can access.  I'm not an IP crusader (either way) so I really don't care.  *shrug*  For what it's worth, man with a husband (under state law), both attorneys, and I practice no IP law whatsoever.  Happy to admit my limitations, and I frankly may know even less about it than some of the non-lawyers in this thread.  I have no shame in admitting that.  However, I also know enough about the law that, when it comes to an area I only know a little about... that it's dangerous to assume I know more than I do.  An area as complex as IP law definitely qualifies.  The sheer number of legal opinions getting thrown around in this thread is a little scary, frankly, and I'm certainly not going to offer any except:  Don't rely on saying "I didn't agree to the EULA" to save you in court. Don't believe me?  Fine.  Good luck with that defense.  No skin off my nose.  

[Yojimboo]

MrGOH wrote...

Yojimboo wrote...

MrGOH wrote...

Yojimboo wrote...

*snip*

Thats not the debate where are here about, it's in their right to take down that stream, thats all i wanted to say.

And I agree 100% - EA/Bioware has that right. Just want folks to be precise in their discussion of IP issues, since these sorts of things are hashed over quite a bit in online gaming forums.

I think i was rather precise, i never said the stream was illegal, just that the IP holder has the right to terminate anything that has to do with it, yes even screenshots.

You were in your earlier posts - I was just responding to the EULA in the instruction manual comment. I'm just being unnecessarily pedantic about it, I realize. I apologize.

No need to apologize, i thought the discussion was rather nice, intelligent to say the least. You don't have much of those in game forums, lol.

[MrGOH]

SnowHeart1 wrote...

MojojojoeJDH wrote...

This is the great thing about the internet, there is no way to know if that poster is man, woman and really has a husband who just happens to work in IP law, seems convenient.

You don't need to take my word for it.  Research it.  There are free caselaw research tools you can access.  I'm not an IP crusader (either way) so I really don't care.  *shrug*  For what it's worth, man with a husband (under state law), both attorneys, and I practice no IP law whatsoever.  Happy to admit my limitations, and I frankly may know even less about it than some of the non-lawyers in this thread.  I have no shame in admitting that.  However, I also know enough about the law that, when it comes to an area I only know a little about... that it's dangerous to assume I know more than I do.  An area as complex as IP law definitely qualifies.  The sheer number of legal opinions getting thrown around in this thread is a little scary, frankly, and I'm certainly not going to offer any except:  Don't rely on saying "I didn't agree to the EULA" to save you in court. Don't believe me?  Fine.  Good luck with that defense.  No skin off my nose.  

Good advice. In fact, folks should never act on any free legal adviced proffered on online forums. But I think our discussion of IP issues fine - the discussion of complicated issues by the ignorant is a longstanding Internet tradition!

[The-Broken-One]

The guy has just copied the japanese guy who streamed himself playing ff13 when it was released in japan late last year so its not like his idea as original, and tbh he sucks at the game so bioware did him a favour by making him stop streaming it imo

[ChuckNorris18]

Modifié par ChuckNorris18, 22 janvier 2010 - 12:22 .

[SnowHeart1]

MrGOH wrote...

Good advice. In fact, folks should never act on any free legal adviced proffered on online forums. But I think our discussion of IP issues fine - the discussion of complicated issues by the ignorant is a longstanding Internet tradition!

NP.  Sorry if I sounded a little preachy earlier.  I've just read one too many people say they have a First Amendment right to whatever that sometimes I'm ready to throw my monitor through the window. 

[It IS Lupus]

MojojojoeJDH wrote...

SnowHeart1 wrote...

MrGOH wrote...

I've never agreed to any terms of service when playing an Xbox game, and nothing ever pops up requesting that I do.

Um, that won't fly in court.  Certainly not a US court.  Good luck with that, though.

This is the great thing about the internet, there is no way to know if that poster is man, woman and really has a husband who just happens to work in IP law, seems convenient.

Here is more EULA and there is no way anyone on these forums would do this.

5. Termination. This License is effective until terminated. Your rights under this License will terminate immediately and automatically without any notice from EA if you fail to comply with any of the terms and conditions of this License. Promptly upon termination, you must cease all use of the Software and destroy all copies of the Software in your possession or control. Termination will not limit any of EA’s other rights or remedies at law or in equity. Sections 5 - 10 of this License shall survive termination or expiration of this License for any reason.

Correct. You Agree to the EULA when you purchase the game.

[Zegir]

There's bound to be leaked streams either way come the 26th. So hey, you're sticking it to the man regardless.

[MojojojoeJDH]

This has grown rather amusing. Though I mentioned fair use my actual point had nothing to do with legality. At the end of the day fair use usually loses and ultimately the copyright holders win out and have all the power, whether this is fair is a seperate argument. My point was that even if they have the power and are well within their rights in taking streams down, my point was that doing that made them petty as the streams were not causing any harm and most likely will boost their sales slightly now that people have seen that the game can carry its own weight without the devs around to back their game up with praise and candy like a creepy uncle.

EDIT: Fair use and the legality that comes with it brings out alot of people with strong feeling about the issue on both sides of the argument. Using fair use as a reasoning for my opinion was to help bring people with stong opinions to the discussion.

And getting the game from a mom and pop stores that don't understand street dates need to followed is quite legitimate.


EDIT 2: My actual basis for my opinion is that the internet in its entirety should not be bound by the laws of governments. Considering the vastness of the internet claiming that your country has the power to do what it pleases with it is naive IMO. The internet should be a safe haven for those who wish to seek shelter from laws and regulations, the internet itself has grown to the point that it is no longer anchored in a single country but is a country unto itself, so immense in size it can not be contained by any one power. The fact that piracy is able to exist so successfully is an example of how futile trying to say you have any kind of power with in its domain is.

Modifié par MojojojoeJDH, 22 janvier 2010 - 01:08 .

[Zegir]

MojojojoeJDH wrote...

This has grown rather amusing. Though I mentioned fair use my actual point had nothing to do with legality. At the end of the day fair use usually loses and ultimately the copyright holders win out and have all the power, whether this is fair is a seperate argument. My point was that even if they have the power and are well within their rights in taking streams down, my point was that doing that made them petty as the streams were not causing any harm and most likely will boost their sales slightly now that people have seen that the game can carry its own weight without the devs around to back their game up with praise and candy like a creepy uncle.

I agree, I was actually hoping to show my friends that stream in hopes of getting them to buy the game without all the edits used by the developers.

[Bryy_Miller]

Zegir wrote...

There's bound to be leaked streams either way come the 26th. So hey, you're sticking it to the man regardless.

*facepalm*

Putting up streams of gaming is not "sticking it to the man". 
I highly doubt that is the intention.

[Bootsykk]

MojojojoeJDH wrote...

Looks like the Justin.tv streams are down, at least the one with the best quality. Gotta say thats a bit petty. Unless they can prove that the person streaming had a pirated copy and not a legitamate one from a store that broke street date I don't see BW as having a right to take that stuff down. Because if the person bought it I believe that streaming would be under fair use, something that the jerks at sony and warner music group don't get either.

I'm sure the BioWare worshipers are going to some to their gods defense and get all over my @**

I'm sure one argument is going to be they don't want spoilers. If you don't want spoilers, DON'T WATCH.

Another will most likely be... It's their game they can do what they want. Its the persons money they bought it they should be allowed to broadcast themselves playing it.

Problem.

The game hasn't been released yet.

Which means that Bioware and EA have full control over which content can be shown or not.

[Zegir]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Zegir wrote...

There's bound to be leaked streams either way come the 26th. So hey, you're sticking it to the man regardless.

*facepalm*

Putting up streams of gaming is not "sticking it to the man". 
I highly doubt that is the intention.

Says you. Whether it was the intention or not. Anyways, I was only half-kidding.

[Deflagratio]

The OP is overdue for a tampon change I think.

[DharmaIniative108]

MojojojoeJDH wrote...

Looks like the Justin.tv streams are down, at least the one with the best quality. Gotta say thats a bit petty. Unless they can prove that the person streaming had a pirated copy and not a legitamate one from a store that broke street date I don't see BW as having a right to take that stuff down. Because if the person bought it I believe that streaming would be under fair use, something that the jerks at sony and warner music group don't get either.

I'm sure the BioWare worshipers are going to some to their gods defense and get all over my @**

I'm sure one argument is going to be they don't want spoilers. If you don't want spoilers, DON'T WATCH.

Another will most likely be... It's their game they can do what they want. Its the persons money they bought it they should be allowed to broadcast themselves playing it.

[MojojojoeJDH]

Deflagratio wrote...

The OP is overdue for a tampon change I think.

That smacks of sexism. Ladies, get him.

Besides being a macho man is overrated.

Oh and you should pay less attention to the original post and more attention to this one:

MojojojoeJDH wrote...

This has grown rather amusing.
Though I mentioned fair use my actual point had nothing to do with
legality. At the end of the day fair use usually loses and ultimately
the copyright holders win out and have all the power, whether this is
fair is a seperate argument. My point was that even if they have the
power and are well within their rights in taking streams down, my point
was that doing that made them petty as the streams were not causing any
harm and most likely will boost their sales slightly now that people
have seen that the game can carry its own weight without the devs
around to back their game up with praise and candy like a creepy uncle.

EDIT:
Fair use and the legality that comes with it brings out alot of people
with strong feeling about the issue on both sides of the argument.
Using fair use as a reasoning for my opinion was to help bring people
with stong opinions to the discussion.

And getting the game from a mom and pop stores that don't understand street dates need to followed is quite legitimate.


EDIT
2: My actual basis for my opinion is that the internet in its entirety
should not be bound by the laws of governments. Considering the
vastness of the internet claiming that your country has the power to do
what it pleases with it is naive IMO. The internet should be a safe
haven for those who wish to seek shelter from laws and regulations, the
internet itself has grown to the point that it is no longer anchored in
a single country but is a country unto itself, so immense in size it
can not be contained by any one power. The fact that piracy is able to
exist so successfully is an example of how futile trying to say you
have any kind of power with in its domain is.

Modifié par MojojojoeJDH, 22 janvier 2010 - 01:54 .

[Deflagratio]

MojojojoeJDH wrote...

Deflagratio wrote...

The OP is overdue for a tampon change I think.

That smacks of sexism. Ladies, get him.

Besides being a macho man is overrated.

And if your posts are any indication, so is having any shred of intelligence or a frame of reference beyond a 3 year old.

You do get bonus points for having an awesome sig though.

Modifié par Deflagratio, 22 janvier 2010 - 01:55 .