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[FireRider100]

Before you spit out your coffee/chewing gum/energy drink/milk/champagne in disgust that N7 rating == skill, hear me out.

 

As far as I can tell there are two ways to improve your N7 rating. Either by playing the game (preferable at higher levels and unknown unknown for higher experience) or by buying packs that give character experience cards. In both cases you need a sub level 20 character for it to make a difference.

 

One technique is to spam recruit packs which seem to give a 50/50 chance of either a 12,500XP or 62,500XP. Therefore it has been argued that doesn't require skill. However, where do the credits come from to buy those recruit packs?

 

If you solely buy recruit packs and play the game you will simply run out of level 2/3/4 amps making it more difficult to play at higher level difficulties to earn the credits. Therefore I'm going to argue you need skill to budget your resources so that you can buy many recruit packs, but at the same time squeeze as much as you can out of your current consumables. Carefully buying other packs as and when needed.

 

Thoughts?

[BurningLiquor]

Kook would be proud.

 

Anyways, it's possible to hack the credits so you can buy a ton of packs without even playing.

[FireRider100]

Kook would be proud.

 

Anyways, it's possible to hack the credits so you can buy a ton of packs without even playing.

 

With the caveats that

 

1. You don't accomplish this by cheating e.g. missile glitching

2. You don't deliberately go into matches underpowered and are there to leech

 

From what I remember, I believe that player admitted to failing both of these.

 

Also, damn, I forgot you can hack credits to get a good N7 rating

Maybe it's about how your got your N7 rating?

 

I still say that there is a skill involved in getting a high N7 rating when not cheating.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

Missile glitching? Credit Hax? Being carried by friends?

 

Edit - Ninja'd

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There are too many other factors at work to say N7 equals skill. What if it was a bad game with an unfamiliar kit? Or a good game with a kit they know inside and out? N7 and CP will give you a fairly accurate idea of EXPERIENCE but not of SKILL. Sometimes experience leads to skill and sometimes no.

Yeah, managing resources is important, but I've probably earned millions of credits for people who couldn't have earned those credits themselves. In much the same way when I first started on Gold I got carried a few times while I learned the ropes. So having credits doesn't prove anything, either, since you could one & done ten different lobbies - being carried through each - and wind up with 800k from Gold games.

[BurningLiquor]

With the caveats that

 

1. You don't accomplish this by cheating e.g. missile glitching

2. You don't deliberately go into matches underpowered and are there to leech

 

From what I remember, I believe that player admitted to failing both of these.

 

Still, N7 doesn't equal skill. At all.

 

I've seen players with ridiculous N7 ratings that played horribly and seemed to not know basic gameplay mechanics.

I've also seen players with very low N7 ratings that play incredibly well. 

 

So no. N7 does not equal skill.

[Creator Limbs]

No.

[DcIhNaGv3z]

Well, I dont inherently believe that N7 level = skill.  But it is representative of play time & experience which often correlates with player skill.  The more you play, the better you get.  N7 is simply an indicator of play time.  

 

I almost never play level 20 kits.  The moment they hit level 20, I promote.  But I also enjoy the added challenge of bringing a level 1 kit into gold.  And many players are good enough to use level 1 kits on platinum.  Which in turn rapidly levels you up and and rapidly increase N7.  And that added challenge arguably makes you a better player.  

 

In my experience, most high N7 ranked players have been very skilled.

[BurningLiquor]

Well, I dont inherently believe that N7 level = skill.  But it is representative of play time & experience which often correlates with player skill.  The more you play, the better you get.  N7 is simply an indicator of play time.  

 

I almost never play level 20 kits.  The moment they hit level 20, I promote.  But I also enjoy the added challenge of bringing a level 1 kit into gold.  And many players are good enough to use level 1 kits on platinum.  Which in turn rapidly levels you up and and rapidly increase N7.  And that added challenge arguably makes you a better player.  

 

In my experience, most high N7 ranked players have been very skilled.

 

Actually N7 rating isn't representative of even that. As I said, it's possible to hack the credits to buy packs to increase your N7 rating without even playing the game.

 

Someone could have a high N7 rating even if they played just a small number of games, if they wished.

[Creator Limbs]

for example: I have played maybe 20 games on PC and I have an N7 of 900+

[FuriousFelicia]

Not a good representative for skill with all the mischief out there.

[Chealec]

N7 is representative of how many times you've clicked the "Promote" button aaaaaaaand, that's it actually.

 

 

... mathematically speaking, an equivalency ( == ) means that if N7 == Skill, then Skill == N7 and therefore the most skilled players must always be those with the highest N7 rating.

 

Therefore if, using equivalent kits/loadouts, you've ever outscored someone with a higher N7 rating than you, you know that stating N7 == Skill == Bullsh*t.

[Derpy]

Wait it is the opposite of skill so the less N7 you got, the better.

[FuriousFelicia]

I don't like playing with level 1 characters or under 20 level characters for that matter simply because it feels like eating cold soup or swimming in a tuxedo. To blah with the challenge, I want to be fully evolved for the battle.

[smeckie]

Wait it is the opposite of skill so the less N7 you got, the better.

No you still suck.

[CDTheBookMan]

I usually allow my partners to carry me, and I've accrued over 8,500 N7 points and 32,000 achievement points.  It takes a lot of crappy weapon usage though.

[coelacyanth]

There is an old saying that "N7 Rating =/= skill"..

Its not a very popular saying but its a saying, just sayin..

[FuriousFelicia]

I have 1678 games N7- 778

[DcIhNaGv3z]

Actually N7 rating isn't representative of even that. As I said, it's possible to hack the credits to buy packs to increase your N7 rating without even playing the game.

 

Someone could have a high N7 rating even if they played just a small number of games, if they wished.

 

The % of players who have "hacked credits" vs the % of players who just play the game, is extremely lopsided in favor of being a real player.

 

In my experience, most high N7 players have been very skilled.

[FireRider100]

Not a good representative for skill with all the mischief out there.

 

As demonstrated by Limbs below where it is legitimately impossible to get a rating of 900+ with 20 games.

 

for example: I have played maybe 20 games on PC and I have an N7 of 900+

 

 

 

... mathematically speaking, an equivalency ( == ) means that if N7 == Skill, then Skill == N7 and therefore the most skilled players must always be those with the highest N7 rating.

 

Maybe I used equivalency wrong, but aren't you kind of saying banana == fruit, therefore all fruits are bananas?

I'm arguing that getting a legit high N7 rating does require a skill, which doesn't necessarily translate into the most skilled player because there are many skills.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

Ah, the OP has a high N7 ranking. It all makes sense now.

 

Nothing to see here.

[digetey dank]

a guy I play with has never promoted, n7 120. his challenge score is around 55,000 and is very skilled.

[didacuscarr]

IMO ppl go for high N7 because they suck and need to feel better or they just say fk u to rng not giving any resets and want to try new builds or they want to fite teh rippaz as soon as they start sp.

[Shampoohorn]

N7 < 120 usually suck.  But not always.

 

 

Otherwise...

[Chealec]

Maybe I used equivalency wrong, but aren't you kind of saying banana == fruit, therefore all fruits are bananas?

I'm arguing that getting a legit high N7 rating does require a skill, which doesn't necessarily translate into the most skilled player because there are many skills.

 

I wouldn't say banana == fruit, because it isn't. I might say that it could be in an array of fruit, or that it's a subset of fruit perhaps (even then technically you could argue that it's a herb and not really a fruit at all - but let's go with the assumption that a banana is a type of fruit) but not that banana is equivalent to fruit because that would be saying that all fruits are bananas, which is obviously wrong - much as you've technically asserted that Skill is equivalent to N7 rating, when it's not

 

N7 rating is, at best, an unreliable outlying indicator of experience ... it's certainly not equivalent to skill.