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[ObserverStatus]

Personally I think that the female courier from "Fallout: New Vegas" should qualify. I know Jim Sterling doesn't count user created characters, but considering that it's more or less impossible to create an attractive character, male or female, with Fallout 3/NV's character creator, it fits.

[Rusty Sandusky]

There's also Samus for Nintendo fans. 

 

Do you even Other M m9?

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Do you even Other M m9?

No, because I wiped that from my memory. Now let us never speak of it again.

[spirosz]

To be fair on Samus Broomcrust - 

 

 

 

That didn't need to be shown, but it did, lol.  

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Unfriended, reported and blocked.

[acicm2]

that's why I only play games where I can mod a paper bags on everyone's face.

[ObserverStatus]

Oh yeah, Jim Sterling's complaint about not being able to play as a female psychopath reminded me of something, I need to begin my "Renegade" play through of Amnesia: Justine.

[Derpy]

I have to add the VANILLA female Dovahkiin. Not the modded ones just plain vanilla.

 

Femshep is also fugly.

[Derpy]

How dare you.

She looks like a man just like Ashley.

[Neoleviathan]

all points are invalid until male protagonists look like this

[Lotion Soronarr]

The point is that men can don't have to be attractive.

Women do have to be attractive.

 

A trend in and of itself can be sexist.

Those who are part of the problem are not always sexist, but the trend is.

 

Let's say there are for example a lack of non-whites in video games.

The developers who produce games where only non-whites appear are not necessarily racist.

However the trend of non-whites having little to no representation is racist.

 

Using the same logic:

You don't have to be sexist to contribute towards a sexist trend.

 

 

MEh. I don't care about trends. They are after all, just trends and changing.

 

Nitpick - I don't think a trend can be racist.

A trend isn't a living, rational being and cannot make any decision. Racism implies intent and actual feeling towards a group, so I don't think ti's a right word to use.

[Eternal Phoenix]

They don't need to be ugly, the problem isn't with pretty women, the problem is with not making them realistic. Realistic isn't a woman fighting on a battlefield whilst wearing make-up. Most of the women NPC's in these RPG's are often wearing make-up, even Aveline from DA2. Remove that, give them realistic armor, an interesting personality and you've got your problem solved. Although I admit, not every major character has to be good looking. This isn't solely a problem relating to female characters either.

 

Hopefully we start to see different body shapes too like with what Dragon's Dogma did. Not every man is a hulk and not every woman is a match stick.

[Derpy]

They don't need to be ugly, the problem isn't with pretty women, the problem is with not making them realistic. Realistic isn't a woman fighting on a battlefield whilst wearing make-up. Most of the women NPC's in these RPG's are often wearing make-up, even Aveline from DA2. Remove that, give them realistic armor, an interesting personality and you've got your problem solved.

 

Hopefully we start to see different body shapes too like with what Dragon's Dogma did. Not every man is a hulk and not every woman is a match stick.

But I don't want to see ugly chick pixels. I want to see the best looking female pixels...

[Derpy]

And a lot of men are like you on that issue and that's the problem with the game industry.

Why stare at ugliness when you can stare at sexiness?

[Derpy]

In another thread you said FemShep was ugly, I said she was sexy.

 

Because sex appeal and lack of it are totally subjective to peoples' perspectives. Not everybody finds big-tittied, scanty-clad women slapped all over a game cover or a game attractive. Some people find it sexist and annoying, or downright ugly.

I like a happy-medium.

 

I don't want to play a p0rn game but if the main character has to be a female, I want her to be attractive and not ugly as I have to stare at them for the length of the game.

 

Femshep looks manly IMHO.

[Derpy]

I don't play RPGs to stare at male or female ass. I typically play it for the storyline and gameplay and sex scenes. But yeah, what you find attractive may not be what everyone else finds attractive.

I don't either. But I try to make my character that I am going to be playing on for 100-300 hours nice looking. In fact I mostly play in 1st person but it makes me fell good when I know that my character looks as decent as I could make them look.

[ruggly]

They could use my face

 

/rolls off into the sunset like an ugly potato.

[Abraham_uk]

Irrelevant aside...

 

I have an idea.

You take a photo of yourself.

You then upload that photo onto your console.

 

Then on any game that has a face creator you can use the character creator to approximate your face.

 

Imagine a protagonist that looks like you!

 

 

Back on topic.

 

Yeah.

Its worth discussing.

 

Okay maybe I might have chosen the wrong word when I suggested that a trend could be sexist.

Obviously trends are not conscious beings.

 

 

That said, I think the trends in and of themselves are worth talking about.

My hope, is by highlighting gaps and examples of under representation this will pave the way for greater diversity.

This is why I am not attacking developers. I am attacking trends instead.

 

If you contribute towards such a trend don't worry. You're not under attack. Your fine. Keep doing what your doing.

If you have a particular vision go for it.

 

 

 

We have had a good discussion on this thread.

Every contributor has had something interesting and helpful to add.

 

I am including the people on the other side of the argument who feel this isn't an issue.

Both sides of the debate are welcome here.

Everything has been civil. Thank you...

[cronshaw]

MEh. I don't care about trends. They are after all, just trends and changing.

 

Nitpick - I don't think a trend can be racist.

A trend isn't a living, rational being and cannot make any decision. Racism implies intent and actual feeling towards a group, so I don't think ti's a right word to use.

 

A law that says black people have to sit at the back of the bus is racist

if laws can be racist then so can trends

there is nothing about the word racist or sexist that implies either have to be applied exclusively to sentient beings

[cronshaw]

I'm sure Melville was wringing his hands over the fact there weren't any ugly women (any women characters really) in Moby DIck

[slimgrin]

Hey guys! Lets all get together and brow beat developers for not making their games politically correct enou... oh damn, this is the BSN.