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[Nyeredzi]

http://social.biowar...7299/4#14299135

-David Gaider

 

Now as we know the Qunari (Kossith) came from north of the Boec Ocean beyond Par Vollen and Seheron. According to the link, the Small Island Chains in the Boec Ocean they landed on, is where the Rivaini hail from. But those guys didn't like to see their southern lands getting colonial inclination, so they fought against the Kossith, and most likely they lost and were "conquered".

 

We know, now, that the Qunari, don't accept cross breeding between spieces. But we also know the Qunari can be extremely practical, if the Qun demands it. Maybe back then, after crossing the oceans and fighting the natives, maybe they needed to cross breed. Knowing that they would need more numbers to fight, and conquer, it could be very possible. Remember, for some reason we don't know why they don't even know the name of their continent. Why they don't go back to their original lands, or why no ships ever come from there, anymore, anyways. It could be that the migration thinned their original numbers, and so, they inter bred with the rivaini natives.

 

This interbreeding with the Natives must have made the children, as big as the qunari, but made their skin less gray, and darker/tanned, but also rendered them hornless. Look at Sten, compare him to other qunari, especially in the comic books. This might reason why qunari find the hornless scary, because it might not be a natural thing for their race to do on its own, to produce this. And it must be why they send these hornless guys to humans, cause they have some human blood in them.

 

Grey skin is not natural (ecologically healthy) for spieces that live near the equator. (rhinos, elephants, and hippos are grey skinned, so they bathe in mud). But sten, he looks naturally fit for that environment.

 

It could be that 'if a Pure Kossith mates with a Pure Kossith, they will 100% produce a Pure Kossith'

 

If a Pure Kossith mates with a Rivaini, they have a 50/50% chance at produce a Sten, OR a Grey, Horned Kossith, that's not Pure, but possess Rivaini genes. 

 

When the Pure, Grey, Horned Kossith mates with the Impure, Grey, Horned Kossith that has Rivaini genes, that's when they get a chance at producing a Sten, Or another Impure, Grey, Horned Kossith

[St. Victorious]

Actually, the Kossith(precursors to the Qunari) came from below the Kokari Wilds. The correct nameology(points if you get the reference) is important to this particular argument.

[Nyeredzi]

Actually, the Kossith(precursors to the Qunari) came from below the Kokari Wilds. The correct nameology(points if you get the reference) is important to this particular argument.

I know the Kossith means the culture before the Qun. But they did not come from below the Kokari Wilds. (Apparently a ship crash landed there). Read the codex, the World of Thedas, and David Gaider's comment. If they come from below the kokari wilds why would hordes of their ships be found on the opposite side of the entire continent.

[Herr Uhl]

Actually, the Kossith(precursors to the Qunari) came from below the Kokari Wilds. The correct nameology(points if you get the reference) is important to this particular argument.

There was an expedition that landed in the Kocari wilds as to explain why there were ogres in the blights before the fifth one. The Qunari came from the sea to Par Vollen.

 

As to the topic at hand, I really doubt it.

[Iron Star]

The only reason there even are any hornless qunari in the dragon age setting is because Bioware couldn't make a horned Sten use helmets in a satisfying way back in DA:O. We know little about the in-game lore for the hornless qunari except that they are a rare anomaly amongs qunari and that other qunari sees hornlessness as something impressive, but for an actual reason as to why they exist? Even if we might get something like that someday I doubt Bioware knows what kind of explanation that will be even amongst themselves as of now.

 

Your theory is just as viable as anyone's else, until Bioware makes an official statement on the matter, which they might never even do.

[SerCambria358]

The only reason there even are any hornless qunari in the dragon age setting is because Bioware couldn't make a horned Sten use helmets in a satisfying way back in DA:O. We know little about the in-game lore for the hornless qunari except that they are a rare anomaly amongs qunari and that other qunari sees hornlessness as something impressive, but for an actual reason as to why they exist? Even if we might get something like that someday I doubt Bioware knows what kind of explanation that will be even amongst themselves as of now.

 

Your theory is just as viable as anyone's else, until Bioware makes an official statement on the matter, which they might never even do.

I dont see why they couldnt roll with the inconvenience and form a lore around the mishap. If one fan can come up with this legitimate theory, i dont see why a group of writers couldnt have already made an explanation for this especially with them becoming a playable race in this game

[Samahl na Revas]

I don't get why people use kossith.

 

The only reason there even are any hornless qunari in the dragon age setting is because Bioware couldn't make a horned Sten use helmets in a satisfying way back in DA:O. We know little about the in-game lore for the hornless qunari except that they are a rare anomaly amongs qunari and that other qunari sees hornlessness as something impressive, but for an actual reason as to why they exist? Even if we might get something like that someday I doubt Bioware knows what kind of explanation that will be even amongst themselves as of now.

 

Your theory is just as viable as anyone's else, until Bioware makes an official statement on the matter, which they might never even do.

 

Actually the only reason there is hornless Qunari is because Bioware redesigned the Qunari from DA:O to DA 2. The Elves are undergoing a flip flop right now, from looking like humans with pointy ears, to aliens, to humans with pointy ears. Don't forget the accent. If necessary the author could say that the writer in the codex lacked a word for grey and called them bronze-skinned giants, or that in order to appear less fearful they had bronze-skinned giants deal with the outside world.

 

There are actually a lot of failing logical progressions in everything that was put out there for why the Qunari suddenly had horns, the only thing that made sense was that the author/someone required it, so it became a point that Qunari's had horns. A whole war against the Qunari and no one bothered to mention their horns or notice more are grey than bronze? Surprised the dark spawn weren't said to look like unicorns. 

 

I prefer the DA 2 Qunari to the big black tall guy which actually conveys a negative image. Remember the first black guy/Quanri in DA:O was in a cage. If you can dismiss the black guy aspect that image is a treasure trove for framing an intellectual and literary analysis of the Qunari. Unfortunately, I can't get over them once being black it's hard to explain to my kids which is why I'm actually thankful the Mass Effect Devs made an emotional plea to eliminate social injustice in games.

 

Finally, as for hornless Grey ones having Rivani blood it is plausible. However, this would mean that Greys ones no matter who they mate with could only produce other Grey ones either hornless, or both. This would have to be true in order to account for the continuation of hornless Qunari (Qunari is used deliberately here).

 

Whereas without Rivani blood the continuation of hornless Qunari could simply be explained that hornless when possible are mated with other hornless Qunari.

[Nyeredzi]

I don't get why people use kossith.

 

 

Actually the only reason there is hornless Qunari is because Bioware redesigned the Qunari from DA:O to DA 2. The Elves are undergoing a flip flop right now, from looking like humans with pointy ears, to aliens, to humans with pointy ears. Don't forget the accent. If necessary the author could say that the writer in the codex lacked a word for grey and called them bronze-skinned giants, or that in order to appear less fearful they had bronze-skinned giants deal with the outside world.

 

There are actually a lot of failing logical progressions in everything that was put out there for why the Qunari suddenly had horns, the only thing that made sense was that the author/someone required it, so it became a point that Qunari's had horns. A whole war against the Qunari and no one bothered to mention their horns or notice more are grey than bronze? Surprised the dark spawn weren't said to look like unicorns. 

 

I prefer the DA 2 Qunari to the big black tall guy which actually conveys a negative image. Remember the first black guy/Quanri in DA:O was in a cage. If you can dismiss the black guy aspect that image is a treasure trove for framing an intellectual and literary analysis of the Qunari. Unfortunately, I can't get over them once being black it's hard to explain to my kids which is why I'm actually thankful the Mass Effect Devs made an emotional plea to eliminate social injustice in games.

 

Finally, as for hornless Grey ones having Rivani blood it is plausible. However, this would mean that Greys ones no matter who they mate with could only produce other Grey ones either hornless, or both. This would have to be true in order to account for the continuation of hornless Qunari (Qunari is used deliberately here).

 

Whereas without Rivani blood the continuation of hornless Qunari could simply be explained that hornless when possible are mated with other hornless Qunari.

It could be that 'if a Pure Kossith mates with a Pure Kossith, they will 100% produce a Pure Kossith'

 

If a Pure Kossith mates with a Rivaini, they have a 50/50% chance at produce a Sten, OR a Grey, Horned Kossith, that's not Pure, but possess Rivaini genes. 

 

When the Pure, Grey, Horned Kossith mates with the Impure, Grey, Horned Kossith that has Rivaini genes, that's when they get a chance at producing a Sten, Or another Impure, Grey, Horned Kossith

[Malanek]

 

Actually the only reason there is hornless Qunari is because Bioware redesigned the Qunari from DA:O to DA 2. The Elves are undergoing a flip flop right now, from looking like humans with pointy ears, to aliens, to humans with pointy ears. Don't forget the accent. If necessary the author could say that the writer in the codex lacked a word for grey and called them bronze-skinned giants, or that in order to appear less fearful they had bronze-skinned giants deal with the outside world.

They were supposed to have horns in DA:O but the character modelling with helmets was problematic so they were dropped.

 

It will be interesting to see how they handle the issue in inquisition.

[Samahl na Revas]

They were supposed to have horns in DA:O but the character modelling with helmets was problematic so they were dropped.

 

It will be interesting to see how they handle the issue in inquisition.

 

You like fantasies. I like logic. I know your kind. Character model relates to text how?

 

This is the end I will not further this discussion with you.

 

This topic is actually interesting because it frames a plausible reason for why Qunari's may see cutting their horns as terrifying. However, it is not the only model. The motif of the cage and the trimmed horns representing freedom from the community (Qun) that must be  may also be terrifying. Of course this idea has been used else where, The Giver, etc.  Now consider a genetic aspect and the fear in that. Then consider a possible reason for why the Qunari pulled back during the war. Of course again, playing with these ideas is fun, but it is not the only model.

 

 

*cough* where's the tail?

[Nyeredzi]

You like fantasies. I like logic. I know your kind. Character model relates to text how?

 

This is the end I will not further this discussion with you.

 

This topic is actually interesting because it frames a plausible reason for why Qunari's may see cutting their horns as terrifying. However, it is not the only model. The motif of the cage and the trimmed horns representing freedom from the community (Qun) that must be  may also be terrifying. Of course this idea has been used else where, The Giver, etc.  Now consider a genetic aspect and the fear in that. Then consider a possible reason for why the Qunari pulled back during the war. Of course again, playing with these ideas is fun, but it is not the only model.

 

 

*cough* where's the tail?

tail?

[Spectre slayer]

Uh no, it's just a natural genetic and rare mutation that effects some Qunari, those who aren't born with horns are viewed as being special and given prestigious ranks like the Ben Hassareth.

“Not all qunari have horns,” says Dragon Age lead writer David Gaider. “Some are born without them, but it has never been considered a defect. Instead the mark is considered special, indicating one who is clearly meant for a special role in their society—as a Ben-Hassrath who enforces religious law or as an envoy to other races. It is also not uncommon for qunari who abandon their beliefs to remove their own horns, for reasons not yet clear.”

http://www.gameinfor...ri-evolved.aspx

Some cut their horns ofbecause they think it makes them scarier though that's just the mercenaries, maybe it's something religious.

We don't even know how it would work or if it was even possible, even if it was I doubt they would be that tall, they would likely have a different skin color and be even rarer if it they actually cross breed or have ever done so before, nor is there any evidence indicating it.

They were supposed to have horns in DA:O but the character modelling with helmets was problematic so they were dropped.
 
It will be interesting to see how they handle the issue in inquisition.

Mary Kirby

The helmets don't cover their horns. If they lose a horn, or part of a horn to an enemy blade, they don't care much. There are no nerves in there.  Their helmets just have to fit around them

The helmets just need to fit around them, I'm there are some imagesaround that show how it would possibly look like.

[goat_fab]

You like fantasies. I like logic. I know your kind. Character model relates to text how?

 

This is the end I will not further this discussion with you.

 

This topic is actually interesting because it frames a plausible reason for why Qunari's may see cutting their horns as terrifying. However, it is not the only model. The motif of the cage and the trimmed horns representing freedom from the community (Qun) that must be  may also be terrifying. Of course this idea has been used else where, The Giver, etc.  Now consider a genetic aspect and the fear in that. Then consider a possible reason for why the Qunari pulled back during the war. Of course again, playing with these ideas is fun, but it is not the only model.

 

 

*cough* where's the tail?

 

 

I don't get why people use kossith.

 

 

Actually the only reason there is hornless Qunari is because Bioware redesigned the Qunari from DA:O to DA 2. The Elves are undergoing a flip flop right now, from looking like humans with pointy ears, to aliens, to humans with pointy ears. Don't forget the accent. If necessary the author could say that the writer in the codex lacked a word for grey and called them bronze-skinned giants, or that in order to appear less fearful they had bronze-skinned giants deal with the outside world.

 

There are actually a lot of failing logical progressions in everything that was put out there for why the Qunari suddenly had horns, the only thing that made sense was that the author/someone required it, so it became a point that Qunari's had horns. A whole war against the Qunari and no one bothered to mention their horns or notice more are grey than bronze? Surprised the dark spawn weren't said to look like unicorns. 

 

I prefer the DA 2 Qunari to the big black tall guy which actually conveys a negative image. Remember the first black guy/Quanri in DA:O was in a cage. If you can dismiss the black guy aspect that image is a treasure trove for framing an intellectual and literary analysis of the Qunari. Unfortunately, I can't get over them once being black it's hard to explain to my kids which is why I'm actually thankful the Mass Effect Devs made an emotional plea to eliminate social injustice in games.

 

Finally, as for hornless Grey ones having Rivani blood it is plausible. However, this would mean that Greys ones no matter who they mate with could only produce other Grey ones either hornless, or both. This would have to be true in order to account for the continuation of hornless Qunari (Qunari is used deliberately here).

 

Whereas without Rivani blood the continuation of hornless Qunari could simply be explained that hornless when possible are mated with other hornless Qunari.

Oh dear lord this thread is filled with so much wrong.

The developers of the game itself have spoken about why Sten was hornless, and surprise! You're wrong 2ndPerspective! As Malanek said, it was because the Qunari were supposed to have horns, but couldn't get helmets to fit in with the horns. It was at such a late point in development that they had to decide lose the horns, or lose the race entirely. They chose with losing the horns and lo! The concept of the rare hornless Qunari is born. As to why it's so frightening? Who knows! There's tons of stuff in the Qunari culture that we just don't understand. Bioware has written the lore very cleverly. They've made it so not very much has been directly confirmed, and most things in the Codex and the World of Thedas are written by the characters in Thedas, meaning they have the potential for bias and the potential to be wrong. However, things spoken by the developers themselves can almost always be taken as truth. Also, let's drop the 'black man in cage', 'themes and motifs' talk. That's just ignorant. This isn't some classic piece of 18th century literature to be analyzed by a high school AP English class. It's a video game. The only 'motif' or 'theme' present with Sten being in the cage is 'holy ****, this guy murdered a whole family, including children. let's lock him up because he's a murderer'.

 

I do have to agree with 2nd Perspective on one point, however. Stop using Kossith.

Nyeredzi and shona reeeeeeally need to stop with this onslaught of off the wall threads with hare-brained ideas. I love speculation as much as the next BSNer, but dear heaven. Taking quotes from nearly half a decade ago and using them to fuel theories is a little bit beyond the realm of speculation. Grasping at straws isn't even close to being the correct phrase for this.


As long as we're throwing out links to old BSN threads, click here to be proven wrong!


Anyways, getting back to OP's point, no. The Qunari are extremely invested in maintaining physical, mental, and emotional superiority. They believe everything about themselves is better than the rest of the world. In some cases, they are. They have progressed far more than the rest of Thedas, technologically wise, and they very nearly conquered Thedas. I don't have the WoT on hand, but I believe it took....3 Exalted Marches and the cooperation of the Tevinter Imperium to drive them back? That sounds correct. Regardless, it's been spoken about before that the Qunari have been practicing selective breeding for quite some time. Who knows what the original Qunari looked like. They're long since gone. Why would they mix with "savage tribesman", who are undoubtedly 5 foot something barbaric clansmen with poor technology and weak little arms, when Qunari are pushing into the seven foot range and have children that probably bear a rough resemblance to Arnold Schwarzenegger in his heyday? The fact that the Qunari have only called a temporary halt on their assault on Thedas doesn't lend any credence to OP's idea that they ran out of troops, so crossbred with a bunch of potential converts. Sten himself mentioned that the Qunari will be coming back to conquer Thedas, and if the Qunari numbers are so low that they're stooped to crossbreeding, they wouldn't be able to assault the entirety of Thedas, let alone occupy and, nearly destroy, Kirkwall. Continuing on, who ever said that no ships ever come from the far north? We would have absolutely no way of knowing that. The Qunari sure as hell aren't going to let us know, and attempting to sail that far into Qunari waters unfettered is just asking to have your ship destroyed. Don't even start on rhinos and grey skin, please. We have absolutely no clue about the location of Thedas on the actual planet. In fact, we don't even know the shape of Thedas. Only one tiny sliver.

Why is nobody considering the fact that not every Qunari has to be grey with horns? Humans, and almost every other animal, for that matter, come in such a huge variety of shapes and colors. I believe the hornless-ness trait was equated to being born with red hair, only probably a bit less likely. Bronze skin, silver skin, blue skin, whatever. If Joe Blow only ever encounters a single orange tabby cat, he's going to write down in his little journal that cats are all X feet long, with long, soft fur that sheds heavily, and is a deep orange mixed with bands of white. Little does he know that the single cat he encountered isn't representative of the entire population. The same can be said for whoever called the Qunari bronze-skinned giants.

[Ophir147]

Oh dear lord this thread is filled with so much wrong.

The developers of the game itself have spoken about why Sten was hornless, and surprise! You're wrong 2ndPerspective! As Malanek said, it was because the Qunari were supposed to have horns, but couldn't get helmets to fit in with the horns. It was at such a late point in development that they had to decide lose the horns, or lose the race entirely. They chose with losing the horns and lo! The concept of the rare hornless Qunari is born. 

Huh. TIL. 

[Iakus]

I've always wondered why the qunari think not having horns makes them look tough or scary.  Do elves, dwarves, and humans look frightening to them?

 

And why do the incredibly pragmatic qunari think being born without horns is a sign of being special?  Sounds like some kind of superstition to me.

 

Makes me really curious about what pre-Koslun society was like.

[wcholcombe]

I've always wondered why the qunari think not having horns makes them look tough or scary.  Do elves, dwarves, and humans look frightening to them?

 

And why do the incredibly pragmatic qunari think being born without horns is a sign of being special?  Sounds like some kind of superstition to me.

 

Makes me really curious about what pre-Koslun society was like.

The same reason animals tend to have that reaction to something abnormal or different to them.  Horses will shun or flat out isolate and at times kill an all white horse-not an albino-but a horse that is born truly white. Genetically they are an extreme abnormality to be a completely white horse, and they are extremely ostracized in a herd-I am speaking regarding quarter horses and thoroughbreds.

 

People tend to treat those that are physically different or unique as being either bad or a blessing.  The plains indians saw being an albino as being marked for greatness meanwhile other cultures regarded it is a horrible omen and usually killed said child.

[wcholcombe]

Why is nobody considering the fact that not every Qunari has to be grey with horns? Humans, and almost every other animal, for that matter, come in such a huge variety of shapes and colors. I believe the hornless-ness trait was equated to being born with red hair, only probably a bit less likely. Bronze skin, silver skin, blue skin, whatever. If Joe Blow only ever encounters a single orange tabby cat, he's going to write down in his little journal that cats are all X feet long, with long, soft fur that sheds heavily, and is a deep orange mixed with bands of white. Little does he know that the single cat he encountered isn't representative of the entire population. The same can be said for whoever called the Qunari bronze-skinned giants.

I agree with most of what you wrote, but seeing as Sten is now shown as bronze skinned, I believe Qunari are supposed to be bronze-skinned.

[Samahl na Revas]

@Goat_fab the only one who is wrong is you. Nearly everything from DA:O to DA 2 underwent a redesign, more often then not that redesign was rationalized, especially the way the elf looked. The Devs rationalized that they did not want the elf to look like humans with pointy ears, yet in DA:I how do they look like? What it looks like is a rationalization. I pointing this out does not make me wrong since I am not arguing whether or not horns or hornless was intended but instead I am arguing that the Qunari were redesigned as a whole.

 

“Art wanted to create more space between the races so we changed the way the qunari looked,” says senior artist Matt Goldman

 

 Either this did or did not happen. If it did not happen,I am wrong. If it did, logically I can never be wrong.

 

"Actually the only reason there is hornless Qunari is because Bioware redesigned the Qunari from DA:O to DA 2."

 

This is not the same as saying the only reason their are horned Qunari is because Bioware redesigned the Qunari, had you learned to read in grade school you would understand what I said. 

 

However, I have come to understand that ignorance is the reason for the lacking in an ability to read: "This isn't some classic piece of 18th century literature to be analyzed by a high school AP English class. It's a video game." Who cares, this isn't a classic piece or it's a video game, I don't recall calling you and asking you to analyze this with me? Checking my schedule and list of contacts, no I did not. The author creates, in the case of video games it is entertainment, which means if I am entertained by the things the author maybe aware/unaware they are putting into their games, so be it. Intended or not someone else viewing the same thing may find a different perspective in all this, great. It's no different from someone analyzing/theorizing "Lost" or some other T.V drama, oh btw they are just T.V dramas (sigh).

 

Had you been able to read, you would of noticed I did not say Get Fired Up was wrong. But, instead offered a similar but unpopular perspective. Your obviously of the new generation...the lost... I won't believe it any other way.

[Iakus]

The same reason animals tend to have that reaction to something abnormal or different to them.  Horses will shun or flat out isolate and at times kill an all white horse-not an albino-but a horse that is born truly white. Genetically they are an extreme abnormality to be a completely white horse, and they are extremely ostracized in a herd-I am speaking regarding quarter horses and thoroughbreds.

 

People tend to treat those that are physically different or unique as being either bad or a blessing.  The plains indians saw being an albino as being marked for greatness meanwhile other cultures regarded it is a horrible omen and usually killed said child.

 

But why do the qunari think being hornless is a mark of greatness, and not a horrible omen?

[Iakus]

I agree with most of what you wrote, but seeing as Sten is now shown as bronze skinned, I believe Qunari are supposed to be bronze-skinned.

 

Also the codex entry for the qunari in DAO:

 

Anyone who travels far enough to the north will eventually encounter the Qunari: White-haired, bronze-skinned giants, a head again taller than a man, with frighteningly calm demeanors and a sort of sparkling fire behind their eyes.

[Leo]

But why do the qunari think being hornless is a mark of greatness, and not a horrible omen?

I think it's because the qunari think that a hornless qunari would be more easily trusted by the other races of Thedas, since they aren't as intimidating looking as horned qunari.

[ames4u]

The Qunari practice selective breeding. This does not mean they don't select a Qunari and say, a human to breed. It even says in the Book Of Thedas that because of this practice no one really knows what the Qunari originally looked like, not even the Qunari themselves. So I don't think the 'no intermingling of the species' is entirely accurate.

[wcholcombe]

But why do the qunari think being hornless is a mark of greatness, and not a horrible omen?

We don't know why Plains indians revered white buffalo but other tribes killed albino children.  Its just a cultural thing.  They are marked, the way your culture interprets that marking is up to it.

[Spectre slayer]

Oh dear lord this thread is filled with so much wrong.

The developers of the game itself have spoken about why Sten was hornless, and surprise! You're wrong 2ndPerspective! As Malanek said, it was because the Qunari were supposed to have horns, but couldn't get helmets to fit in with the horns. It was at such a late point in development that they had to decide lose the horns, or lose the race entirely. They chose with losing the horns and lo! The concept of the rare hornless Qunari is born. As to why it's so frightening? Who knows! There's tons of stuff in the Qunari culture that we just don't understand. Bioware has written the lore very cleverly.

They've made it so not very much has been directly confirmed, and most things in the Codex and the World of Thedas are written by the characters in Thedas, meaning they have the potential for bias and the potential to be wrong. However, things spoken by the developers themselves can almost always be taken as truth. Also, let's drop the 'black man in cage', 'themes and motifs' talk. That's just ignorant. This isn't some classic piece of 18th century literature to be analyzed by a high school AP English class. It's a video game. The only 'motif' or 'theme' present with Sten being in the cage is 'holy ****, this guy murdered a whole family, including children. let's lock him up because he's a murderer'. I do have to agree with 2nd Perspective on one point, however. Stop using Kossith.

Nyeredzi and shona reeeeeeally need to stop with this onslaught of off the wall threads with hare-brained ideas. I love speculation as much as the next BSNer, but dear heaven. Taking quotes from nearly half a decade ago and using them to fuel theories is a little bit beyond the realm of speculation. Grasping at straws isn't even close to being the correct phrase for this.


As long as we're throwing out links to old BSN threads, click here to be proven wrong!


Anyways, getting back to OP's point, no. The Qunari are extremely invested in maintaining physical, mental, and emotional superiority. They believe everything about themselves is better than the rest of the world. In some cases, they are. They have progressed far more than the rest of Thedas, technologically wise, and they very nearly conquered Thedas. I don't have the WoT on hand, but I believe it took....3 Exalted Marches and the cooperation of the Tevinter Imperium to drive them back? That sounds correct. Regardless, it's been spoken about before that the Qunari have been practicing selective breeding for quite some time. Who knows what the original Qunari looked like. They're long since gone. Why would they mix with "savage tribesman", who are undoubtedly 5 foot something barbaric clansmen with poor technology and weak little arms, when Qunari are pushing into the seven foot range and have children that probably bear a rough resemblance to Arnold Schwarzenegger in his heyday?

The fact that the Qunari have only called a temporary halt on their assault on Thedas doesn't lend any credence to OP's idea that they ran out of troops, so crossbred with a bunch of potential converts. Sten himself mentioned that the Qunari will be coming back to conquer Thedas, and if the Qunari numbers are so low that they're stooped to crossbreeding, they wouldn't be able to assault the entirety of Thedas, let alone occupy and, nearly destroy, Kirkwall. Continuing on, who ever said that no ships ever come from the far north? We would have absolutely no way of knowing that.

The Qunari sure as hell aren't going to let us know, and attempting to sail that far into Qunari waters unfettered is just asking to have your ship destroyed. Don't even start on rhinos and grey skin, please. We have absolutely no clue about the location of Thedas on the actual planet. In fact, we don't even know the shape of Thedas. Only one tiny sliver.

Why is nobody considering the fact that not every Qunari has to be grey with horns? Humans, and almost every other animal, for that matter, come in such a huge variety of shapes and colors. I believe the hornless-ness trait was equated to being born with red hair, only probably a bit less likely. Bronze skin, silver skin, blue skin, whatever. If Joe Blow only ever encounters a single orange tabby cat, he's going to write down in his little journal that cats are all X feet long, with long, soft fur that sheds heavily, and is a deep orange mixed with bands of white. Little does he know that the single cat he encountered isn't representative of the entire population. The same can be said for whoever called the Qunari bronze-skinned giants.

I agree with most of what you said, the Qunari's selective breading process is extremely extensive and very very selective since they pretty much control everything once a Qunari turns 12 they get assigned roles, they later select who they breed with and try to get what they want.


Let's say you're a fifth generation baker whose extremely skilled they would literally try to keep this line going, or you have a long line of soldiers they would do the same though they might add various different roles to breed with if they wanted a soldier with specific traits or if the soldier was intelligent then they'll send them to either join a priesthood or the Ben Hassarth.

There's alot of cross over roles they mix up and yes even though some people think otherwise they even breed for speed and stealth, or if you have acertain skill they'll just keep breeding that, they're whole process is insane so I agree with you about that but it seems other people done get how extensive it is.

http://social.biowar...ex/3308675&lf=8

And yes it's exactly like having red hair and like I mentioned earlier it's a natural minor genetic mutation and they have actually said exactly just that before, though I had to find it.

Mary Kirby

It's not a defect. It's a minor genetic variation. The equivalent would be closer to having naturally copper-red hair. The Qunari just say, "Oh, he's hornless," in the same way we'd say, "He's ginger." It's just an adjective, not a classification

http://social.biowar...x/14893267&lf=8

Their skin color will vary abit though the full extent is unknown, I'll add some stuff in a bit about that but anyway the op and the others are way way off base about this, also we'll be able to choose whether or not we have horn and we know that they don't actually have half breed models yet and even if they did it definitely wouldn't be like sten.


Yes you're right it took 3 marches and 59 years to drive them off for an uneasy peace 7:25-7:84 storm.

Yeah we haven't seen much of theadas nor do we actually know where they came from or what they originally looked like and I doubt that we'll ever see the later part as the "Kossith" are gone from thedas and have been for a long long time.

I agree with most of what you wrote, but seeing as Sten is now shown as bronze skinned, I believe Qunari are supposed to be bronze-skinned.

Also the codex entry for the qunari in DAO:

Anyone who travels far enough to the north will eventually encounter the Qunari: White-haired, bronze-skinned giants, a head again taller than a man, with frighteningly calm demeanors and a sort of sparkling fire behind their eyes.

Uh I suggest you wait for the race models and the character creator video to come out because their skin colors will vary abit, bronze, some metallic hues and grey, i'll post other links soon but this one is from Laidlaw Twitter.

Mike Laidlaw
@Mike_Laidlaw
@Jorori22 @davidgaider Details later, though it's safe to assume at least "Grey" is in the mix.
1:27 p.m. Fri, Mar 14

There's some more information about that here.

https://mobile.twitt...90669854721?p=v

Bronze is a part of it but it's not primary and we'll be able to choose skin color for them amoung numerous other thing's.

The Qunari practice selective breeding. This does not mean they don't select a Qunari and say, a human to breed. It even says in the Book Of Thedas that because of this practice no one really knows what the Qunari originally looked like, not even the Qunari themselves. So I don't think the 'no intermingling of the species' is entirely accurate.

Err I very much doubt that, the reason why they don't look like they were originally is due their extremely extensive and selective breeding process that they've been doing for over 1,000 years.

Varying shades of skin color, hair color, eye color, varying shapes of horns, hornlessness, they don't care about parentage and mix their roles up to get different combinations, keep certain skills and bloodlines going, keep certain roles, breed them for something specific etc.

They've been doing this for a 1,000 years, so it's no surprise how much they've changed since then and how they feel about people outside the Qun in general I don't see them ever cross breeding.

[Nyeredzi]

I agree with most of what you said, the Qunari's selective breading process is extremely extensive and very very selective since they pretty much control everything once a Qunari turns 12 they get assigned roles, they later select who they breed with and try to get what they want.

 

 

Let's say you're a fifth generation baker whose extremely skilled they would literally try to keep this line going, or you have a long line of soldiers they would do the same though they might add various different roles to breed with if they wanted a soldier with specific traits or if the soldier was intelligent then they'll send them to either join a priesthood or the Ben Hassarth.

 

There's alot of cross over roles they mix up and yes even though some people think otherwise they even breed for speed and stealth, or if you have acertain skill they'll just keep breeding that, they're whole process is insane so I agree with you about that but it seems other people done get how extensive it is.

 

http://social.biowar...ex/3308675&lf=8

 

And yes it's exactly like having red hair and like I mentioned earlier it's a natural minor genetic mutation and they have actually said exactly just that before, though I had to find it.

 

 

 

 

http://social.biowar...x/14893267&lf=8

 

Their skin color will vary abit though the full extent is unknown, I'll add some stuff in a bit about that but anyway the op and the others are way way off base about this, also we'll be able to choose whether or not we have horn and we know that they don't actually have half breed models yet and even if they did it definitely wouldn't be like sten.

 

 

Yes you're right it took 3 marches and 59 years to drive them off for an uneasy peace 7:25-7:84 storm.

 

Yeah we haven't seen much of theadas nor do we actually know where they came from or what they originally looked like and I doubt that we'll ever see the later part as the "Kossith" are gone from thedas and have been for a long long time.

 

 

Uh I suggest you wait for the race models and the character creator video to come out because their skin colors will vary abit, bronze, some metallic hues and grey, i'll post other links soon but this one is from Laidlaw Twitter.

 

Mike Laidlaw

@Mike_Laidlaw

@Jorori22 @davidgaider Details later, though it's safe to assume at least "Grey" is in the mix.

1:27 p.m. Fri, Mar 14

 

There's some more information about that here.

 

https://mobile.twitt...90669854721?p=v

 

Bronze is a part of it but it's not primary and we'll be able to choose skin color for them amoung numerous other thing's.

 

 

 

Err I very much doubt that, the reason why they don't look like they were originally is due their extremely extensive breeding process they've been doing for over 1,000 years.

 

Varying shades of skin color, hair color, eye color, varying shapes of horns, hornlessness, they don't care about parentage and mix their roles up to get different combinations, keep certain skills and bloodlines going, keep certain roles, breed them for something specific etc.

 

They've been doing this for a 1,000 years andit's no surprise how much they've changed since then and how they feel about people outside the Qun in general I don't see them ever cross breeding.

Can you,.................elaborate? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

jks I get it, thank you