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[jaethos]

First off, I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with it, nor do I want to get in to any sort of discussion on whether anyone likes it or not.

I'm just wondering why Bioware went from ME1, which had virtually no swearing, to ME2, which if the gameplay videos I've seen (including the xfire one today)  seems to be just below the level of Saints Row 2 in terms of frequency.

I know that Drew Karpyshin and Chris L'Etoile left the Mass Effect team sometime during development  (they were the lead writers on the first) and wonder if it is in part due to the increased roles Mac Walters and Patrick Weekes have.

I know it's supposed to be the dark second act and that we go to seedier parts of the galaxy, but other than the Citadel we weren't exactly in happy sparkly places in the first game.  It's just kind of jarring to see, or rather hear, just how different much of the dialogue sounds.

[Gorn Kregore]

Because ME2 you're visiting the dark side of the galaxy while in ME1 you were visiting the "bright" side of the galaxy with ambassadors, professional people who frown upon swearing.

[Arcite550]

I think its more about the day in age we live in, its getting more acceptable to curse and all that so your going to see it more and more in videogames, movies, cartoons (Family Guy etc) TV.. all of that, so it may be due to that... thats my two cents anyway

[Swehall]

Have we heard Shepard say the F-word in any clips btw? Can't remember.

[oXPsYXo]

They probably figured that if they are going to raise the game's age rating with their content, they might as well make the most of it by implementing profanity into the characters of the game. As the previous poster stated, some places have a population of the worst of the worst people, it kind of kills the illusion if they aren't profane.

[KBGeller]

Arcite550 wrote...

I think its more about the day in age we live in, its getting more acceptable to curse and all that so your going to see it more and more in videogames, movies, cartoons (Family Guy etc) TV.. all of that, so it may be due to that... thats my two cents anyway

Its this more or less.

If you are in a battle or fighting for your life, your not going to bother with politeness, I know I certainly wouldn't care. It is just that in the few years since ME1, things have become more accepted, and as such, games and shows will come closer to reality.

The only thing to be careful of is going over the top with it, like whatever Bethesda last published, I forgot what it was called now.

[jaethos]

Gorn Kregore wrote...

Because ME2 you're visiting the dark side of the galaxy while in ME1 you were visiting the "bright" side of the galaxy with ambassadors, professional people who frown upon swearing.

Yeah, my last paragraph addressed that somewhat.  most of the places we went in the first one were backwater at the best and enclaves of slavers and other people who frequent Omega at the worst.  I don't think that story explanation actually explains it.

The first one was rated M anyway, it just ended up being a really tame M.  This one looks to be utilizing the M rating a little more fully this time.  I haven't seen Shepard drop the F bomb, but 3 separate NPCs have.

[Time Well Spent]

btw, Mac Walters, ME2 Lead Writer, wrote for ME1.Drew K also has a writing credit on ME2, and helped set up the story arc. Maybe just that the script is swearier. 

Modifié par Time Well Spent, 21 janvier 2010 - 11:32 .

[Nozybidaj]

In BW's intensive study of what makes a game dark they found cursing to be the number one element in all dark sequels and edgy characters. They also found that shooter fans like cursing and other shooter games have lots of cursing. So lots of cursing in ME2.

[RyuKazuha]

Honestly, i never understood why people in the states or anywhere would care more about language, than about shooting limbs of or stuff like that. As a german player, i did not really experienced something like more or swearing throughout several genres the last five to ten years.
However, the issue of having NPC respond to the actual situation in a fight has increased over this period. Wich I'd count mostly to the changes in terms of memory-issues.

Modifié par RyuKazuha, 21 janvier 2010 - 11:36 .

[mepilot]

Those darn French-Canadians!

[Caboose Cripler]

OMG U jerk U SHOT MY MOTHER fudgeing LEG OFF... to me that dosent sound right

[EvilSnowy]

All them cool teenage kids love to curse so of course bioware had to increase the cursing, I'm just suprised there was no new s**t add campagin

[Ahglock]

I guess I'm too used to cursing and I don't really notice it in games. Heck even when I am trying to keep it clean like when I am around my friends kids I swear all the time.



True Story from my Friends kid

Kid "I don't want to go, I don't like John"

Mom Why don't you like John

Kid He gets in trouble all the time

Mom Why does he get in trouble

Kid he says bad words a lot, even more than Uncle Ray.



I have to admit I felt a bit of pride there.

[Stanley Woo]

I think the rougher language works well with the darker tone and story of ME2.

[Bad-Meets-Evil]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO my mommy would ban this now!!!! mommmyyyyyyyyyy

[baardhimself]

Im glad theres more swearing! Sometimes you have to swear.. I remember in ME1 someone goes "You son of a b" and is cut off.. i mean, you see that in kids programs, not complex sci fis.

[WilliamShatner]

OMG U jerk U SHOT MY MOTHER fudgeing LEG OFF... to me that dosent sound right

So at what point in ME was that sentence said?

[Ashbery]

Arcite550 wrote...

I think its more about the day in age we live in, its getting more acceptable to curse and all that so your going to see it more and more in videogames, movies, cartoons (Family Guy etc) TV.. all of that, so it may be due to that... thats my two cents anyway

Do not believe you poor standards represent the majority.People who swear all the time are vile.

[SethSteiner]

It`s funny to foreigners how this whole cursing is a topic overseas everytime somebody says ****. People curse, unimportant if they are in love or try to safe the galaxy against something evil. To me, cursing isn`t bad or evil or dark it`s normal.

[Ahglock]

RyuKazuha wrote...

Honestly, i never understood why people in the states or anywhere would care more about language, than about shooting limbs of or stuff like that. As a german player, i did not really experienced something like more or swearing throughout several genres the last five to ten years.
However, the issue of having NPC respond to the actual situation in a fight has increased over this period. Wich I'd count mostly to the changes in terms of memory-issues.

I never found things like this(usually sex instead of
swearing) unusual. 



How many parents are worried there kid is going to go on a killing spree?



How many parents are worried about there kids manners or them getting little
suzie knocked up?



Its like any other risk you worry about.  Being more catastrophic is only
one part of the equation, what the odds are of it happening is the other and probably more important part.

Modifié par Ahglock, 21 janvier 2010 - 11:48 .

[Ahglock]

Ashbery wrote...

Arcite550 wrote...

I think its more about the day in age we live in, its getting more acceptable to curse and all that so your going to see it more and more in videogames, movies, cartoons (Family Guy etc) TV.. all of that, so it may be due to that... thats my two cents anyway

Do not believe you poor standards represent the majority.People who swear all the time are vile.

Oh NOES, I'm Vile.

But hey maybe I'm a cool renegade Vile while your a pansy sushine and roses paragon. 

[SnakeStrike8]

What I'm curious about is the bleeping of the foul language.

I mean, I'll bet the writing team knew that any foul language they wrote into the script and had the voice actors perform would have been bleeped out in the final game, so why include it anyway? And why bleep it out at all? I've seen plenty of M rated games that had blatant cussing and Me 2 has such a rating, so why not go all the way?

[withateethuh]

RyuKazuha wrote...

Honestly, i never understood why people in the states or anywhere would care more about language, than about shooting limbs of or stuff like that. As a german player, i did not really experienced something like more or swearing throughout several genres the last five to ten years.
However, the issue of having NPC respond to the actual situation in a fight has increased over this period. Wich I'd count mostly to the changes in terms of memory-issues.

Its an odd issue we have over here. Words are far more taboo than violence. Sex is also far worse than mass murder.

I don't get it really. "Foul" language is used pretty universally in normal conversation. Its only considered foul because people label it as such and chose to be offended by something so benign.

Using more "colorful" language makes the experience more down to earth and gritty.

[RyuKazuha]

Ahglock wrote...

RyuKazuha wrote...

Honestly, i never understood why people in the states or anywhere would care more about language, than about shooting limbs of or stuff like that. As a german player, i did not really experienced something like more or swearing throughout several genres the last five to ten years.
However, the issue of having NPC respond to the actual situation in a fight has increased over this period. Wich I'd count mostly to the changes in terms of memory-issues.

I never found things like this(usually sex instead of
swearing) unusual. 

How many parents are worried there kid is going to go on a killing spree?

How many parents are worried about there kids manners or them getting little
suzie knocked up?

Its like any other risk you worry about.  Being more catastrophic is only
one part of the equation, what the odds are of it happening is the other and probably more important part.

I don't say I've a problem with either of them, just that I can't really understand, why people would care less for violence, as for swearing. If I'd assume games and stuff would influence my child in a way that i cannot control, I'd say a rough language is the way smaller problem, and keeping someone from swearing, while letting him watch violence... well, let me say this way over the top: I wouldn't care much, if my killer is a swearing batarian or a polite hanar.