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[SethSteiner]

Oh jeah bleeping out is horrible, it hurts in my ears more than any ****, **** or ****. I hate how tv shows in Germany use this as a style because everything the USA does is cool right? No! These words aren`t forbidden, a very bad habit some tv shows take.

Is ME2 really bleeped out in english if you buy it? That would be a real shame =/

[ArcanistLibram]

As far as I remember, the only people we've seen swear are Subject Zero, who's a convict, and one or two mercs, who wouldn't have the same decorum as Alliance Marines. And maybe that Quarian guy voiced by Adam Baldwin, I can't remember that one too well.

Swearing doesn't fit the atmosphere of Mass Effect 1, but it fits Shepard's new crew and mission.

EDIT: Also, swearing is not censored in the game itself according to the xfire stream.

Modifié par ArcanistLibram, 22 janvier 2010 - 12:02 .

[Colinissile]

And it gives it a more serious tone...

THEY ARE NOT KIDDIN' AROUND THIS TIME!

[RyuKazuha]

SethSteiner wrote...

Oh jeah bleeping out is horrible, it hurts in my ears more than any ****, **** or ****. I hate how tv shows in Germany use this as a style because everything the USA does is cool right? No! These words aren`t forbidden, a very bad habit some tv shows take.
Is ME2 really bleeped out in english if you buy it? That would be a real shame =/

I don't exactly recall bleeping out would be common in germany. To wich shows do you refer? Honestly the only ones i could imagine doing that shouldn't be broadcasted anyways.

[GmanFresh]

there was on "****" in the game...during anoleis's arrest hehe

[shnellegaming]

Swearing makes things seem more real in my opinion. I don't enjoy swearing every other word but normal swearing just makes it feel gritty. And I say that if the ME games are Mature rated then might as well take advantage of all that entails.

[Bryy_Miller]

Ashbery wrote...

Arcite550 wrote...

I think its more about the day in age we live in, its getting more acceptable to curse and all that so your going to see it more and more in videogames, movies, cartoons (Family Guy etc) TV.. all of that, so it may be due to that... thats my two cents anyway

Do not believe you poor standards represent the majority.People who swear all the time are vile.

And don't believe that your standards are what represent society, either.

[mandalore551]

SnakeStrike8 wrote...

What I'm curious about is the bleeping of the foul language.
I mean, I'll bet the writing team knew that any foul language they wrote into the script and had the voice actors perform would have been bleeped out in the final game, so why include it anyway? And why bleep it out at all? I've seen plenty of M rated games that had blatant cussing and Me 2 has such a rating, so why not go all the way?

LOL

It isn't bleeped out in the game, it is in the videos and such because anyone can watch them.

[Darth_Shizz]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I think the rougher language works well with the darker tone and story of ME2.

This.

It's all relative to character design and story. I personally could care less if a character decided to call Shep. a ******* ******* old wonky **** ***** with overly large eyes and a eerily over-enthusiastic love for saying "I gotta go"...***. Assuming it fitted with the character, I'd be more than happy to hear it. I applaud that the writers, BW and EA haven't cut certain things to make the game less scary to those that can't handle a bit grit.

On topic though. I believe the decision was 100% story-focussed, though no doubt, the direction ME2 takes is obviously going to be down to the writers involved (quite obvious, that)

[-Zorph-]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I think the rougher language works well with the darker tone and story of ME2.

Nice save. 

And again, we here the word 'darker' mentioned by a dev.

Haha.

*EDIT*  I have nothing against the language and agree with it's usage.

Modifié par -Zorph-, 22 janvier 2010 - 12:10 .

[withateethuh]

Ashbery wrote...

Arcite550 wrote...

I think its more about the day in age we live in, its getting more acceptable to curse and all that so your going to see it more and more in videogames, movies, cartoons (Family Guy etc) TV.. all of that, so it may be due to that... thats my two cents anyway

Do not believe you poor standards represent the majority.People who swear all the time are vile.

If you're so stuck up, why are you playing violent video games? Is it cozy living under that rock of yours?

[WilliamShatner]

RyuKazuha wrote...

Ahglock wrote...

RyuKazuha wrote...

Honestly, i never understood why people in the states or anywhere would care more about language, than about shooting limbs of or stuff like that. As a german player, i did not really experienced something like more or swearing throughout several genres the last five to ten years.
However, the issue of having NPC respond to the actual situation in a fight has increased over this period. Wich I'd count mostly to the changes in terms of memory-issues.

I never found things like this(usually sex instead of
swearing) unusual. 

How many parents are worried there kid is going to go on a killing spree?

How many parents are worried about there kids manners or them getting little
suzie knocked up?

Its like any other risk you worry about.  Being more catastrophic is only
one part of the equation, what the odds are of it happening is the other and probably more important part.

I don't say I've a problem with either of them, just that I can't really understand, why people would care less for violence, as for swearing. If I'd assume games and stuff would influence my child in a way that i cannot control, I'd say a rough language is the way smaller problem, and keeping someone from swearing, while letting him watch violence... well, let me say this way over the top: I wouldn't care much, if my killer is a swearing batarian or a polite hanar.

People are more accepting of NON-GRAPHIC violence because it is generally an essential element of good drama.  There's very few great dramas without conflict.  And the violence in MASS EFFECT is not graphic.  It's cowboys vs. Indians stuff, Star Wars, Star Trek level violence.  People get shot, they fall down.

Swearing is generally gratuitous.  Swearing does not move story along or create drama. Even in real life most people use it without thinking about it and it has no reason for being in the sentence other than habit.

As for reality - I play MASS EFFECT to escape reality!

[Darth_Shizz]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Do not believe you poor standards represent the majority.People who swear all the time are vile.

They're only words. 

[SethSteiner]

@RyuKazuha

Besides of German MTV normal channels bleep out like ProSieben and RTL but only here and there. Sometimes they do, sometimes not. There is no real rule in all that, Germanys Next Top Model, Popstars, Taff such things sometimes bleep out normal "****s" but a few moments later Simpsons went on and they curse hundreds of times without any bleep. Really weird.



But it`s good to hear, that the game itself won`t bleep out anything.

[Ahglock]

RyuKazuha wrote...

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I don't say I've a problem with either of them, just that I can't really understand, why people would care less for violence, as for swearing. If I'd assume games and stuff would influence my child in a way that i cannot control, I'd say a rough language is the way smaller problem, and keeping someone from swearing, while letting him watch violence... well, let me say this way over the top: I wouldn't care much, if my killer is a swearing batarian or a polite hanar.

I think you miss my point.  Parents can conceive that the swearing of an individual on a TV being made cool might influence there kid into swearing inapropriately.  They do not think it is even remotely likely there kid will start killing people because of that.  It is like how wirried are you that a giant meteor is going to hit the earth and wipe out all life.  Totally catestrophic and I'd rather there be an earthquake, typhhon, etc. just like you owuld rather your kid swear than kill.  But I am not worried about it because the odds of it ahppening in my life time are slim.

While being a murderer is definetly worse, the lieklyhood it will happen and happen due to influences like TV or video games is microscopically timy.  The chance your kid will be a rude swearing punk and TV or games influenced that is relatively high. 

It is easy to try and emulate the cool kids when the "bad things" they are doing don't really get you in trouble, and really doesn't feel like you are crossing some moral line. 

[talon4000]

k, so this game is more violent and has more swearing because it's the dark second act, I understand trilogies and am fine with that, but will the third act be lighter? if following the hero's journey throughout the trilogy it should, and I know I'm not in the majority, but there are people who would like it to get lighter for ME3

[HYpertropHY]

I frown upon all this inappropriate language. In real life I tend to stay away from people who constantly swear. For a "Mature" rating the swearing is kind of childish..poor choice Bioware, poor choice.

[RyuKazuha]

SethSteiner wrote...

@RyuKazuha
Besides of German MTV normal channels bleep out like ProSieben and RTL but only here and there. Sometimes they do, sometimes not. There is no real rule in all that, Germanys Next Top Model, Popstars, Taff such things sometimes bleep out normal "****s" but a few moments later Simpsons went on and they curse hundreds of times without any bleep. Really weird.

But it`s good to hear, that the game itself won`t bleep out anything.

Okay, you refer to that kind of shows wich i consider not worthy to even be named "Entertainment" since they even underchallenge  a chicken. x.x You're right, at these shows it's just to imitate the US-Television (and not the good ones ~~).

[RyuKazuha]

Doublepost, crap.

Modifié par RyuKazuha, 22 janvier 2010 - 12:20 .

[Ahglock]

HYpertropHY wrote...

I frown upon all this inappropriate language. In real life I tend to stay away from people who constantly swear. For a "Mature" rating the swearing is kind of childish..poor choice Bioware, poor choice.

You and I will never be friends. 

[vashts1985]

please tell me its not censored ingame like in the media vids that have been published.



dont know about you guys, but im a big boy now and my innocence was lost many years ago. i can handle a little bit of angry language all by myself, and especially prefer it when its fitting for the character (looking at SuZe here)

[HYpertropHY]

I will surely cry myself to sleep tonight ahglock

[jaethos]

As a clarification, I'm not trying to debate the merits of swearing, or not, in a videogame. I don't actually care what any persons personal views on swearing are either, that's their personal view and I'm not going to try to influence it one way or the other.



I'm wondering on what people's opinions are on why Bioware chose to not have swearing in the first game and have now chosen to have it for the second one. Once again, we met a lot of seedy, vile and evil characters in the first one, so it was far from light and happy fluffy.

[SethSteiner]

I absolutly agree RyuKazuha, I absolutly agree



@HYpertropHY

Do you think you will get a tumor if you hear it to often?