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[BioWareM0d13]

A couple people seem to think that Shepard should become a semi-mythical figure in the future of the ME Universe. Why is that?

 

The reason why we have mythical heroes like Gilgamesh or Beowulf or Achilles in our past, is because if these stories were based on real men, they arose during a time when the societies that created these stories did not write down their histories. It was passed from generation to generation around camp fires. With each retelling their exploits were exaggerated. The stories were also being retold in very superstitious societies that believed in things like magic and monsters or the gods interfering in every day life.

 

That isn't going to happen in a civilization that possesses the means to preserve its history in books and on computers and that has largely replaced mysticism with logic and reason. That ability to record our histories is why modern France isn't worshiping Napoleon as the divine son of Zeus or something similar, and why Britain doesn't have stories about Francis Drake taming a Leviathan to destroy the Spanish Armada.

 

Since the Extended Cut retconned a galactic dark age where all technology is lost, Shepard should not morph from a historical figure into a mythical one. No sequel should contain a reference to "the Shepard."

[Gungelion]

^ although I largely agree with that there is the possibility of a cult forming around "The Shepard" even the clone has said something similar

[BioWareM0d13]

^ although I largely agree with that there is the possibility of a cult forming around "The Shepard" even the clone has said something similar

 

I'd be alright with that so long as most of the galaxy views it as a pile of nonsense, and the cultists are a minority. Kind of like how the Hanar worship the Protheans, whereas everyone else knows they were just an alien civilization and not gods.

[SwobyJ]

A legend is not the exact same as a myth.

 

http://www.diffen.co.../Legend_vs_Myth

 

The Shepard will be known, but he won't be fully understood - if we take the Stargazing scene as fully legit in a canon.

[Nitrocuban]

A legend is not the exact same as a myth.

 

http://www.diffen.co.../Legend_vs_Myth

 

The Shepard will be known, but he won't be fully understood - if we take the Stargazing scene as fully legit in a canon.

 

Is this the right moment to make a David joke?

[Wulfram]

Well, Shepard probably would be pretty heavily mythologised, but not to the extremes of losing all factual basis or forgetting their gender.  But they're likely to be remembered in popular imaginations as a great heroic archetype like Churchill, Mandela, Garibaldi or Washington, rather than actual people who had flaws and failures.

 

Since you mention Drake, no one thinks he tamed a leviathan, but there is the legend of Drake's Drum.  That "king in the mountain" myth could fit quite directly to the Shepard AI - "And then, with the relays rebuilt, the Shepard-AI led the Reapers back to dark space, promising to return again to save the Galaxy in it's darkest hour".

 

The Shepard-AI is generally prime cult material.

[Iakus]

A couple people seem to think that Shepard should become a semi-mythical figure in the future of the ME Universe. Why is that?

 

The reason why we have mythical heroes like Gilgamesh or Beowulf or Achilles in our past, is because if these stories were based on real men, they arose during a time when the societies that created these stories did not write down their histories. It was passed from generation to generation around camp fires. With each retelling their exploits were exaggerated. The stories were also being retold in very superstitious societies that believed in things like magic and monsters or the gods interfering in every day life.

 

That isn't going to happen in a civilization that possesses the means to preserve its history in books and on computers and that has largely replaced mysticism with logic and reason. That ability to record our histories is why modern France isn't worshiping Napoleon as the divine son of Zeus or something similar, and why Britain doesn't have stories about Francis Drake taming a Leviathan to destroy the Spanish Armada.

 

Since the Extended Cut retconned a galactic dark age where all technology is lost, Shepard should not morph from a historical figure into a mythical one. No sequel should contain a reference to "the Shepard."

Codex Entry:  Commander Shepard "The First Human Spectre" is a fictional character and the subject of several interactive films published by Tethras Enterprises. These films were wildly popular due at least in part to the player being able to customize Shepard, from gender to appearance.  Shepard could even have romances with several of the colorful cast of characters.  The viewer was able to experience the adventures using Shepard as an avatar, making choices for Shepard and customizing the story to suit individual tastes

Over its five year run, numerous adventures where made available for Shepard's fans to experience.  Though the central plot involved foiling the "Reapers" a mythological race of sentient AIs the films credited for the extinction of the Protheans.  

Shepard's run ended with the so-called "Shepard Incident". The conclusion of the final film was considered so controversial that it caused an unprecedented uproar which even a re-released ending could not quell.     

Currently Tethras Enterprises has no plans to bring back Shepard for other stories.  However, they are looking into the licensing Blasto for a new series.

 

[Vegeta 77]

Shep is to important to mass like chief is to halo if me4 is in the future there will be a statue of him on earth or the citadel shep will be a legend in the alliance like just do a news clip of garrus Unvailing the statue and give speech about his mate that would be a great scene

[BioWareM0d13]

A legend is not the exact same as a myth.

 

http://www.diffen.co.../Legend_vs_Myth

 

The Shepard will be known, but he won't be fully understood - if we take the Stargazing scene as fully legit in a canon.

 

In a civilization where history can be preserved in books or on computers, and where logic and reason has largely replaced superstition and mysticism, historical figures would not morph into legendary figures.

 

No one claims Wellington smote Napoleon at Waterloo with bolts of lightning from his eyes for example.

[tainted_legacy]

I would like to see a section of a museum dedicated to Shepard, but not a whole museum.  Maybe a Reaper War museum or something along the lines of that. 

 

As for the comments about the truth being distorted, as long as his companions surived there should be a fairly accuarate accounting of Shepard's life.  Also assuming that the companions lived long enough to help with the museum, because building a museum isn't at the top of the to-do list after a Galactic War. 

[Wires_From_The_Wall]

I've chosen to believe Earth and intergalactic civilization as a whole came to an end in ending of ME3.  Maybe ME4 will have some vague echoes of our race still audible; in same way you might have had a Prothean museum in ME 1-3. But something as specific as a Shepard museum? Naah.

 

 

..I just imagined ME 4 that features  archaeologist of some brand new species as main character. He/She is obsessed with humans little like Liara was about Protheans in ME1. Game is about first discovering Earth and then investigating,exploring it's ruins and echoes of our past. Dramas and power comes from exposing main character to things player already knows. Like Jim Cameron's Titanic!

Main features:

* There are no boxes to hide behind. You are literally and physically  unable to crouch behind a container, box, or other type of an object of any kind.

* There is couple of combat scenes with husks and whatever. They'll scare the living  **** out of you. Game is mainly about exploration and unsolving them mysteries though.

* No Assari ass to tap.

* Player Character will become aware of the cycle. Reapers get explored in fashion more meaningful than anything ME3 pulled. Current cycle isn't about to end anytime soon.

[SwobyJ]

In a civilization where history can be preserved in books or on computers, and where logic and reason has largely replaced superstition and mysticism, historical figures would not morph into legendary figures.

 

No one claims Wellington smote Napoleon at Waterloo with bolts of lightning from his eyes for example.

 

Depends on context. Wait and see.

[BioWareM0d13]

Depends on context. Wait and see.

 

On that I disagree. Any civilization that has the means to preserve its history in print or on computers won't lose that history. That history being lost sort of made sense in the original endings where it was implied that technology had been lost and a dark age descended on the galaxy. That isn't the case post-EC.

[L. Han]

Highly likely. Perhaps not a museum but something big in honor. Similar to the Grissom Academy, but probably bigger due to the size of the threat.

 

Not to mention that there are going to be a few characters who have a decent chance of living to the time in the next Mass Effect game (assuming it is in the future) like Liara, Wrex. Grunt, and even EDI.

[SwobyJ]

On that I disagree. Any civilization that has the means to preserve its history in print or on computers won't lose that history. That history being lost sort of made sense in the original endings where it was implied that technology had been lost and a dark age descended on the galaxy. That isn't the case post-EC.

 

You don't know what happens.

 

There's a gap of possibly 100,000s of years.

 

None of us knows what happens.

 

It was a tale told to a child. That's all we know.

 

 

EDIT: By this I mean that if the next game takes place right after ME3, sure, Shepard is only legendary in terms of reputation.

However, if the stargazing scene is legit at all, then *at some point*, even in the far far far far future, Shepard is a legend outright, and we just don't know how that information was lost or became so dated and more vague. But in the end, Shepard has 'become a legend'. That's all we need to know, at least for now. You're running on an assumption that the galaxy keeps its records of Shepard intact indefinitely. And even if it did, not all information would be gathered. The gaps between the information would create the legend.

 

EDIT2: A legend doesn't have to be Wellington shooting lightning. A legend can simply be a retelling of how Lincoln freed all the slaves in the total kindness of his heart and only that. Some people actually believe that, because they didn't look into the information that exists. And even then, there would be more information and context that brings the legend back down to earth.

 

About Shepard, all those super-future people seem to know is:

1)The Shepard saved everyone

2)The Shepard did at least most of the main stuff of a tale, but the details were lost in time

 

An immediate post-ME3 world, sure, I'll agree with you. At least generally. But at some point, given an unknown set of events, regardless of technology level, a person may become of legend.

Maybe not myth, but legend.

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

If anything Shepard-related comes up in ME:N, it'll probably be a piece of N7 armor as an Easter egg, or an unacknowledged memento (think the helmet desk piece in ME2).

[KotorEffect3]

I like the idea of some sort of tribute being made to Shepard and the heroes of the Reaper war in general.  Hopefully characters that helped Shepard get some sort of mention to (Legion, Mordin, whoever didn't survive Virmire etc...)

[KotorEffect3]

I don't want any references to the Reaper War either.  Or as few as possible.

 

I want as much of the past to stay buried as possible.

Then the series isn't for you (and neither is it's forum).  Move along.

[XXIceColdXX]

If the museum accounts for what happened to Shepard after he got up from the rubble, yeah that'd be nice.

[BioWareM0d13]

 

An immediate post-ME3 world, sure, I'll agree with you. At least generally. But at some point, given an unknown set of events, regardless of technology level, a person may become of legend.

Maybe not myth, but legend.

 

Sorry, but history doesn't support that.

 

The figures from our history who have become partially legendary are those who lived in societies where their history was passed down around camp fires rather than in writing. Shepard shouldn't become legendary unless galactic civilization collapses and the true history of the Reaper War is lost. A civilization loses its history when it doesn't have the ability to preserve it in writing. In the modern era, 'writing' includes computers. 

[Quibii]

One part of me does want to see some acknowledgement of my Commander Shepard, whether it's as large as a museum, or as minor as a simple mentioning. I mean, they were staring in the face of annihilation, so I can't imagine Shepard to just fade away so easily. 

 

On the other hand, I wouldn't be against Shepard fading away, never to be mentioned again. A fresh new start in the series would be fine by me. 

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

A Vakarian-Shepard monument would be a nice touch.

And a big '**** you' to the fans who don't like him, such as I.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Highly likely. Perhaps not a museum but something big in honor. Similar to the Grissom Academy, but probably bigger due to the size of the threat.
 
Not to mention that there are going to be a few characters who have a decent chance of living to the time in the next Mass Effect game (assuming it is in the future) like Liara, Wrex. Grunt, and even EDI.

Wrex is quite old, isn't he?

Perhaps his daughter/son though.

[Drone223]

And a big '**** you' to the fans who don't like him, such as I.

He's quite popular with the fan base though, so even if a small percentage didn't like him its not far fetch for Bioware to make a Vakarian-Shepard monument.

[LystAP]

If it is a sequel, my Shepard would probably be remembered by all the very active Reapers floating ominously around, judging things.