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Just out of curiousity what would be near that list?
Game mechanics are good.
Character interactions are written well.
The world is fleshed out and immersive
Feeling our choices hold weight.
Desire demons and their gender are minor compared to these.
Lol this thread.
As long as elaborate nipple tassels comes with the deal.
I'd be all for having alternate appearances for demons, from a story perspective... but the reality is each one requires a different in-game model. Seeing as we only have time to do so many models, having multiple models just to cover one creature is a bit dicey. It really depends on how frequently the player is intended to encounter such a creature, and that would then be for the sake of variety and not for the sake of "fans would like to see a male/female version of this creature because they think it should exist".
If that was the argument, then the answer would likely be "then let's do another creature where we don't need to do that".
I'd be all for having alternate appearances for demons, from a story perspective... but the reality is each one requires a different in-game model. Seeing as we only have time to do so many models, having multiple models just to cover one creature is a bit dicey. It really depends on how frequently the player is intended to encounter such a creature, and that would then be for the sake of variety and not for the sake of "fans would like to see a male/female version of this creature because they think it should exist".
If that was the argument, then the answer would likely be "then let's do another creature where we don't need to do that".
A different, genderless/gender ambiguous design might be a better option. Something like Malcolm in Legacy would avoid a metric ton of issues.
And despite my attraction to men, I would never go for a male desire demon. Those things are monsters. Desire demons aren't supposed to seduce people with their form, they're supposed to represent a twisted and wrong image that implies seduction and carnal desire.
I don't need or want male formed demons in game for the purpose of ogling. What frustrates me is that the designer didn't really seem to consider that more than one type of person would play this game. Rather than being creative they just decided "Desire=women" and it's always a bit frustrating to feel like a designer didn't think of you when they designed a game. Oh well.
I thought that being ogle-able was their thing. I thought that the idea was they worked to be what the observer wanted to see. (Which is easier to do in a tabletop, for the exact reason Mr. Gaider describes. And he's not even getting into the idea that people might have different tastes as far as what they want to see in a woman/man.)
As for the androgynous approach, that is one answer. It's actually what the succubus-equivalent in Exalted (the neomah) do as their default shape. (Since shapechanging really does make perfect sense if wanting everything to be attracted to you is the goal.) The text notes that any one person is unlikely to find that shape perfectly attractive, but that it averages out to being the most attractive to the most people.
How would the game track this aside from flat out violating a player's privacy and asking to know their sexual preference?
They could track the LI to whom the character flirts until that encounter + 2 desire demons.
If the character flirts only with females => 2 female Desire Demons
If the character flirts only with males => 2 male Desire Demons
If the character flirts with both females and males (or with no one) => One male and one female Desire Demon.
That's how I think they would resolve this issue if they ever think of implementing a Desire Demon interaction that is more complex than " There's the Desire Demon. Let's kill it! " . As for the fight, don't talk situations...just mix them.
They could track the LI to whom the character flirts until that encounter + 2 desire demons.
If the character flirts only with females => 2 female Desire Demons
If the character flirts only with males => 2 male Desire Demons
If the character flirts with both females and males (or with no one) => One male and one female Desire Demon.
That's how I think they would resolve this issue if they ever think of implementing a Desire Demon interaction that is more complex than " There's the Desire Demon. Let's kill it! " . As for the fight, don't talk situations...just mix them.
The problem is that that would still involve creating extra models (as Gaider noted) and that the problem The Heirophant has with that appears to be the idea that the game company would be mining that data at all.
^ That was a possible solution only in case they ever think of implementing a second model. It's indeed conditioned by some factors, but I was aware of that when I made the comment.
^ That was a possible solution only in case they ever think of implementing a second model. It's indeed conditioned by some factors, but I was aware of that when I made the comment.
Fair enough.
Did you know that the Desire Demon in Origins had an attack that had different effects on male and female characters?
What do you think one would look like? Indulge my curiosity.
Smartphone?
I'd be all for having alternate appearances for demons, from a story perspective... but the reality is each one requires a different in-game model. Seeing as we only have time to do so many models, having multiple models just to cover one creature is a bit dicey. It really depends on how frequently the player is intended to encounter such a creature, and that would then be for the sake of variety and not for the sake of "fans would like to see a male/female version of this creature because they think it should exist".
If that was the argument, then the answer would likely be "then let's do another creature where we don't need to do that".
Well one reason to use a different model would be to make them less obviously a demon(and therefore more likely to succeed in manipulating the PC). On that note, is it possible we'll ever see a desire demon who tries to manipulate us secretly instead of offering direct deals?
Well one reason to use a different model would be to make them less obviously a demon(and therefore more likely to succeed in manipulating the PC). On that note, is it possible we'll ever see a desire demon who tries to manipulate us secretly instead of offering direct deals?
I would like that idea, but it seems to me they'd just use a human model for that. Like Fade-Duncan did, for example.
I'd be all for having alternate appearances for demons, from a story perspective... but the reality is each one requires a different in-game model. Seeing as we only have time to do so many models, having multiple models just to cover one creature is a bit dicey. It really depends on how frequently the player is intended to encounter such a creature, and that would then be for the sake of variety and not for the sake of "fans would like to see a male/female version of this creature because they think it should exist".
If that was the argument, then the answer would likely be "then let's do another creature where we don't need to do that".
I can understand that from a game's perspective, but it shouldn't stop them from appearing in the comics and books, right?
I'd be all for having alternate appearances for demons, from a story perspective... but the reality is each one requires a different in-game model. Seeing as we only have time to do so many models, having multiple models just to cover one creature is a bit dicey. It really depends on how frequently the player is intended to encounter such a creature, and that would then be for the sake of variety and not for the sake of "fans would like to see a male/female version of this creature because they think it should exist".
If that was the argument, then the answer would likely be "then let's do another creature where we don't need to do that".
This is all fair and well. Would it be an option to make other kinds of demons more female-seeming than male-seeming? Like giving the Rage demon wider "hips" and a female sounding voice, for instance?
This is my biggest issue with the demon situation as it now stands. That the only type of demon out of many that is read as definitely female is connected to sex in some form.
Bioware has my permission to delay release an extra month in order to perfect a male desire demon who wears nought but a tassled banana hammock. And if it insists on groping itself like the lady version, I want equivalent jiggle physics dammit.
A male Desire demon is called Incubus in myths and folklore, but I think less people know about them than their female counterpart.
To modern people yes, but incubuses were quite the rage back in the days when people actually believed in that sort of thing "Oh the baby doesn't look like you? I must have been impregnated by an incubus disguised like you!"
To modern people yes, but incubuses were quite the rage back in the days when people actually believed in that sort of thing "Oh the baby doesn't look like you? I must have been impregnated by an incubus disguised like you!"
poor, poor incubi, getting the blame for cheating house wives 
I've always thought the Desire Demon was a bit of a lazy, hetero-normative design, but I do giggle when they die.
I mean, when they go t!ts-up, they REALLY go t!ts-up. It's like the pasties have EZO in them (yes, yes, mixing franchises. Bear with me ... ); they stay suspended way after everything else starts to fall. I'd be intrigued to see if a pastified banana-hammock would be similar.
But not intrigued enough to campaign for one.
An androgynous male desire demon? You can have Pat.
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