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[congokong]

There are several things that come to mind that Shepard does throughout the trilogy which bother me.

 

1. Shepard surrenders to political BS to sit uselessly in prison after ME2 despite the knowledge that the reapers are coming. Unlike Shepard, Liara and Garrus do everything in their power to prepare the galaxy for their arrival.

2. Shepard is indifferent to the Alliance in ME3 to the above mentioned political BS; especially regarding Hackett who asked for the Arrival favor and rewarded Shepard by tipping off the batarians about Shepard's involvement.

3. Shepard is fine with Miranda wanting to turn him/her into a Cerberus slave.

4. Shepard shows no ill will at all for Joker being an idiot at the beginning of ME2. Granted, Shepard was an idiot too for endangering himself/herself to tell Joker what he already knew but that's what heroes do.

5. Shepard shows no gratitude to Feron at all. He sacrificed himself to 2 years of torture for Liara and Shepard's corpse; neither of which he really knew. Yet he doesn't get so much as a "thank you."

6. A little one: Shepard orders the team to drop their weapons when Brooks is held hostage. Seriously, WTF?!

 

 

Which things in the series bother you most?

[KaiserShep]

I wouldn't have told Feron thank you. Shepard did risk life and limb to bust him out. I'd say that's thanks enough. Besides, Shepard has no attachment to him, and it's doubtful he did it for Shepard's benefit.

If I had to pick one, it'd be Shepard automatically speaking through most of the prologue.

[CrutchCricket]

There are several things that come to mind that Shepard does throughout the trilogy which bother me.

 

1. Shepard surrenders to political BS to sit uselessly in prison after ME2 despite the knowledge that the reapers are coming. Unlike Shepard, Liara and Garrus do everything in their power to prepare the galaxy for their arrival.

2. Shepard is indifferent to the Alliance in ME3 to the above mentioned political BS; especially regarding Hackett who asked for the Arrival favor and rewarded Shepard by tipping off the batarians about Shepard's involvement.

3. Shepard is fine with Miranda wanting to turn him/her into a Cerberus slave.

4. Shepard shows no ill will at all for Joker being an idiot at the beginning of ME2. Granted, Shepard was an idiot too for endangering himself/herself to tell Joker what he already knew but that's what heroes do.

5. Shepard shows no gratitude to Feron at all. He sacrificed himself to 2 years of torture for Liara and Shepard's corpse; neither of which he really knew. Yet he doesn't get so much as a "thank you."

6. A little one: Shepard orders the team to drop their weapons when Brooks is held hostage. Seriously, WTF?!

 

 

Which things in the series bother you most?

 

2. Hackett tipped of the batarians? Source?

3. What matters is she didn't. He understands the risks that were involved and why that might've been prudent.

4. Meh.

5. I'm more concerned with why Liara dropped everything including helping me or preparing for the Reapers to go on a rampage for this guy.

 

Strongly agree with the rest. Otherwise:

 

-hate the really stupid auto-dialogue. The worst is probably "Citadel? The fight's here."

-Shepard (and everyone else) acting like Earth is the most important thing in the galaxy

-the dreams

-forced snapping at Joker after Thessia

 

I'm weirdly blanking on this right now.  Come back later. I'm sure I'll have more to talk about.

[DeinonSlayer]

Apologizing to Tevos.

There's more, but it's all been said before.

[KaiserShep]

Yeah I hated Shepard apologizing to Tevos. It's even worse that Shepard says if after being cut off. I guess it's payback for hanging up on the council.

[Iakus]

7) Agreeing with working for The Illusive Man without checking in with the Alliance first

 

8) Not explaining himself to the VS better on Horizon, including handing over ever Cerberus file he had access to.

 

9) Not demanding a clearer explanation about the Lazarus Project from Miranda

 

10) Not alerting the Alliance/Liara/the Council about the existence of the Derelict reaper

 

11) Not demanding Ash wear a standard Alliance uniform on teh Normandy in ME3

 

12) Being p*ssed about the fall of Thessia more than losing the beacon

 

13) Not shooting Kai Leng during the Thane fight

 

14) Stupidly charging into Harbinger's fire

 

15)  Everything that followed #14

[CuriousArtemis]

Hugging Liara for an uncomfortably long time in ME2 

[congokong]

2. Hackett tipped of the batarians? Source?

3. What matters is she didn't. He understands the risks that were involved and why that might've been prudent.

4. Meh.

5. I'm more concerned with why Liara dropped everything including helping me or preparing for the Reapers to go on a rampage for this guy.

 

2. There's no source. It's implied though. "Evidence against you is shoddy at best." "You'd make a convenient scapegoat."

3. She only didn't because TIM stopped her. It was her job to do what he said.

4. Meh? Why even bother typing that? If you have no argument don't type anything. Just because it's a message board doesn't mean people have to disagree whenever possible.

5. This thread is about things Shepard has done, remember?

 

I wouldn't have told Feron thank you. Shepard did risk life and limb to bust him out. I'd say that's thanks enough. Besides, Shepard has no attachment to him, and it's doubtful he did it for Shepard's benefit.

If I had to pick one, it'd be Shepard automatically speaking through most of the prologue.

 

Ending the 2 year torture Feron endured on Shepard's behalf doesn't sound like fair repayment for such a sacrifice. If I was Shepard I would tell him that I know what he did for me and if he ever needed anything to please ask. And then a "thank you."

[KaiserShep]

It sounds pretty fair to me. What else should Shepard do for him? I guess a really good asari wine or something.

[themikefest]

Apoligize to the asart councillor

 

accepting T'soni as a squadmate

 

allowing the robot to remain as one instead of telling it to go back to hologram form

 

telling Joker she/he will look out for his girlfriend(the robot) while on the Chronos mission

 

asking Thane how bad is it after he gets stabbed

 

hugging T'soni on Illium

 

having Jenkins take point just before he gets killed

 

not shooting at Leng right away during the coup and again on Thessia

[CrutchCricket]

2. There's no source. It's implied though. "Evidence against you is shoddy at best." "You'd make a convenient scapegoat."

3. She only didn't because TIM stopped her. It was her job to do what he said.

4. Meh? Why even bother typing that? If you have no argument don't type anything. Just because it's a message board doesn't mean people have to disagree whenever possible.

5. This thread is about things Shepard has done, remember?

 

2. That doesn't imply anything. "Shoddy evidence" could be grainy batarian cams. If Hackett was looking for a setup he could've told Shepard to go in guns blazing with his pimped out Cerberus gear with logos everywhere. Cerberus is an even better scapegoat. They're already terrorists. Damn, why didn't anyone think of this before?

3. Still does not disprove my point.

4. What are we, paying by the letter now? And it's not disagreement it's indifference.

5. Fine. I hate Shepard for not going "why the **** was this so important you couldn't help me or prepare for the Reapers?" Happy?

[congokong]

2. That doesn't imply anything. "Shoddy evidence" could be grainy batarian cams. If Hackett was looking for a setup he could've told Shepard to go in guns blazing with his pimped out Cerberus gear with logos everywhere. Cerberus is an even better scapegoat. They're already terrorists. Damn, why didn't anyone think of this before?

3. Still does not disprove my point.

4. What are we, paying by the letter now? And it's not disagreement it's indifference.

5. Fine. I hate Shepard for not going "why the **** was this so important you couldn't help me or prepare for the Reapers?" Happy?

 

2. Well, at the time Cerberus was doing good work in the galaxy. The whole situation and just why Shepard alone is thrown to the wolves is vague. But it's clear to me from Arrival's conclusion that Hackett was going to sell out Shepard to keep the Alliance's hands clean. Hackett even returns a report that discusses 300,000 deaths for plausible deniability.

3. Yes it does. You have no issue with pre-crime? Ex: attempted murder? She tried to enslave Shepard but was stopped; a complete lack of integrity. I would never forgive that.

4. Then don't say anything.

5. Yes.

[Bob from Accounting]

There's a reason why legal systems do not punish thoughtcrime.

[congokong]

 

telling Joker she/he will look out for his girlfriend(the robot) while on the Chronos mission

 

That's not canon. If you yell at Joker after Thessia and don't apologize that dialogue doesn't occur. It's also not canon for them to even be in a relationship.

[congokong]

There's a reason why legal systems do not punish thoughtcrime.

It was more than a thought if TIM had to stop her.

[themikefest]

That's not canon. If you yell at Joker after Thessia and don't apologize that dialogue doesn't occur. It's also not canon for them to even be in a relationship.

If that's the case why do they have their arms around each other in the synthesis ending?

[Village_Idiot]

"Well there was this one time the Turians almost wiped out our entire race. That was fun."

 

"I heard about that. You know, they almost did the same to us."

 

"It's not the same."

 

"It seems pretty much the same to me."

 

Seriously, what?

[congokong]

If that's the case why do they have their arms around each other in the synthesis ending?

You'd have to ask the writers.

[Bob from Accounting]

It was more than a thought if TIM had to stop her.

 

No it wasn't? Not yet, anyway. And that's what legally matters.

[CrutchCricket]

2. Well, at the time Cerberus was doing good work in the galaxy. The whole situation and just why Shepard alone is thrown to the wolves is vague. But it's clear to me from Arrival's conclusion that Hackett was going to sell out Shepard to keep the Alliance's hands clean. Hackett even returns a report that discusses 300,000 deaths for plausible deniability.

3. Yes it does. You have no issue with pre-crime? Ex: attempted murder? She tried to enslave Shepard but was stopped; a complete lack of integrity. I would never forgive that.

4. Then don't say anything.

5. Yes.

 

2. Irrelevant. Cerberus was never seen in a good light by the rest of the galaxy. Shepard got a pass for working with them because of his results but they were still considered shady, and let's face it terrorists. And there is zero implication that Hackett sold Shepard out. However the batarians had enough proof to make a fuss and he needed to do something to avoid a war. If it really was about keeping the Alliance clean, he would've done what I said and made Shepard go in with Cerberus logos. You can always blame terrorists. Who's going to believe them?

3. And she apologized and repented for it. It never happened. Move on.

4. I'll say what I damn well please.

5. Good.

[KaiserShep]

"Well there was this one time the Turians almost wiped out our entire race. That was fun."
 
"I heard about that. You know, they almost did the same to us."
 
"It's not the same."
 
"It seems pretty much the same to me."
 
Seriously, what?

I forgot all about this. I hated that I had no choice but to say this, despite having two options on the wheel.

[congokong]

No it wasn't? Not yet, anyway. And that's what legally matters.

I could continue this discussion but I'm too aware of your reputation on these forums.

[congokong]

4. I'll say what I damn well please.

If you wish to be this way then we have nothing left to say.

[CronoDragoon]

1. Shepard surrenders to political BS to sit uselessly in prison after ME2 despite the knowledge that the reapers are coming. Unlike Shepard, Liara and Garrus do everything in their power to prepare the galaxy for their arrival.

Political BS or not, it's short-sighted not to be concerned with the implications of batarian/human war on the eve of the Reapers arrival. Consider what might have happened if Shepard didn't turn himself in.

[KaiserShep]

No it wasn't? Not yet, anyway. And that's what legally matters.

What the hell does legality matter? If I found out that someone wanted to do something to me but didn't only because someone else stopped him/her, it wouldn't make any difference to me whether or not I can sue or have them arrested. I don't require the letter of the law to guide whether or not I should disapprove of someone or what they may have done.