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[Derpy]

The whole Geth arc in ME3 was annoying. First the suit rats get themselves in trouble and call for their "super hero" and then almost blow him up which is incredibly stupid to do. Personally they should have waited to try and start a war with the Geth half-way through a reapurz war. IMHO this is really what goes through their heads.

 

Admiral 1: DER IS A REAURZ WAR GOING ON

Admiral 2: YEAUP IKR MAN LETS GO START GETH WARRR!!!!!!

Admiral 1: GUD IDEA M8 LETS KICK DA GEETHS ARSES!!!!!11111

Admiral 2: LAUNCHING ALL CIVILIASNNNS!

Admiral 1: OH **** SHIT **** SHIT GEETH KICKING OUR SUITED ARSES!

Admiral 2: CALL SHEPURD HE IS OUR HEROOOO

[DeinonSlayer]

Re: Nate
And here I thought you hated strawmen, Massively.

@Zeratul
The cycle cannot be broken.


@Crutch
I doubt we'll come to an agreement either. Letting it go. But I'd be happy to give you a link to my rewrite if you care to check it out.

[Derpy]

What on earth are strawmen?

[von uber]

Have you not seen the wizard of oz?

[Derpy]

Oh yeah I get it now. What does that stupid scarecrow have to do with ME3?

[von uber]

He appears in a crowd scene on the citadel after the coup; he stands near the apollo cafe before you committ to a romance.

[DeinonSlayer]

Oh yeah I get it now. What does that stupid scarecrow have to do with ME3?

Did you not know he and the tinman are mortal enemies?

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Why in hell couldn't Shepard stop the reaper upload and still make peace? 

Oh wait, because then there would be absolutely no reason whatsoever that destroy would kill the Geth. Whatsoever. Also, does the "reaper code" make each Geth runtime sentient? So Legion would have the combined brain power of 1183 people? Does it only affect the platforms? What happens to the majority of the Geth who are stored in databases? 

Also, unrelated, but why would the Geth dreadnought have doors and walkways? Or Oxygen? There is absolutely no reason for having walkways. 

[Derpy]

He appears in a crowd scene on the citadel after the coup; he stands near the apollo cafe before you committ to a romance.

I didn't do a romance so I didn't get that scene.

[DeinonSlayer]

@OneTrue
Or Medigel, or universal thermal clips scattered about.

[Derpy]

And how do the Geth seemingly dig themselves up through metal?

[DeinonSlayer]

I didn't do a romance so I didn't get that scene.

Oh for the love of...

[Han Shot First]

Regarding the way the Rannoch arc was written, I think is part of a greater problem Bioware had with portraying politicians in general throughout the series. They are almost invariably portrayed as so criminally incompetent that it becomes hard to suspend disbelief. I get that sometimes they needed the politicians to act as foils for Shepard, but I do wish the approach hadn't been so ham-fisted. It is possible to write characters who act as foils for the protagonist, without turning those foils into bumbling morons.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Regarding the way the Rannoch arc was written, I think is part of a greater problem Bioware had with portraying politicians in general throughout the series. They are almost invariably portrayed as so criminally incompetent that it becomes hard to suspend disbelief. I get that sometimes they needed the politicians to act as foils for Shepard, but I do wish the approach hadn't been so ham-fisted. It is possible to write characters who act as foils for the protagonist, without turning those foils into bumbling morons.

 

A second problem with the Rannoch arc is the rather one-sided portrayel given in the consensus mission. I know there is the possibility that the Geth purposefully showed only good things about themselves. but nobody ever raises such questions. Which makes me doubt that was what the writers had intended.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Regarding the way the Rannoch arc was written, I think is part of a greater problem Bioware had with portraying politicians in general throughout the series. They are almost invariably portrayed as so criminally incompetent that it becomes hard to suspend disbelief. I get that sometimes they needed the politicians to act as foils for Shepard, but I do wish the approach hadn't been so ham-fisted. It is possible to write characters who act as foils for the protagonist, without turning those foils into bumbling morons.

The Council in ME weren't really so bad, players just got pissed at them for not going to war with the Terminus and the Batarians over an unconfirmed, possibly hallucinogenic vision. In ME2, the Council is justifiably skeptical that Shepard is trust worthy and reliable, seeing as she died and is working with terrorists. 

In ME2, if you told Gerrel to save the fleet for the reapers, he tells you they'd still need a planet for the civilians. That makes sense. 

ME3 messed everything up. 

[CronoDragoon]

Regarding the way the Rannoch arc was written, I think is part of a greater problem Bioware had with portraying politicians in general throughout the series. They are almost invariably portrayed as so criminally incompetent that it becomes hard to suspend disbelief. I get that sometimes they needed the politicians to act as foils for Shepard, but I do wish the approach hadn't been so ham-fisted. It is possible to write characters who act as foils for the protagonist, without turning those foils into bumbling morons.

 

As much as I love Rannoch, I think I can identify the specific problem pretty clearly. They started with the premise of having the quarians and geth at war/near war in ME3 because the arc needed tension, and then filled in the details to make that happen. Had they followed where ME2 left the situation instead of starting with this backwards approach, there'd be very little reason for hostilities, as my brief discussion with Crutch illustrated. The geth want to give the quarians Rannoch. ALL the admirals want is Rannoch, with the exception of Xen (who would actually be a barrier to peace) and Koris (who values peace above all else, but wouldn't be opposed to returning to Rannoch peacefully). Even Gerrel is such a war-hound purely because he feels war is necessary to get Rannoch back, which he also feels is necessary. There really is no solid conflict here. The geth leave Rannoch and the quarians move in. But they decided to do an about-face because they wanted that end choice of quarians or geth or peace.

[Derpy]

Well, you should, it's a fantastic scene.

I don't want a scary scarecrow to come out and steal my waifu.

[von uber]

Well, you should, it's a fantastic scene.

 

Yes. The mini-side mission where you have to help the C-Sec officer find his heart is a really amusing easter egg.

[Derpy]

Nah, just use the Renegade interrupt to light it on fire. Then, "insert waifu here" will reward you with a reproductive ritual.

But I am paragon...

[DeinonSlayer]

As much as I love Rannoch, I think I can identify the specific problem pretty clearly. They started with the premise of having the quarians and geth at war/near war in ME3 because the arc needed tension, and then filled in the details to make that happen. Had they followed where ME2 left the situation instead of starting with this backwards approach, there'd be very little reason for hostilities, as my brief discussion with Crutch illustrated. The geth want to give the quarians Rannoch. ALL the admirals want is Rannoch, with the exception of Xen (who would actually be a barrier to peace) and Koris (who values peace above all else, but wouldn't be opposed to returning to Rannoch peacefully). Even Gerrel is such a war-hound purely because he feels war is necessary to get Rannoch back, which he also feels is necessary. There really is no solid conflict here. The geth leave Rannoch and the quarians move in. But they decided to do an about-face because they wanted that end choice of quarians or geth or peace.

I think you're right, Crono. If I remember right, in that Weekes interview where he called the Quarians racists, he said they wanted to have that choice, and to justify the option to side with the Geth they needed to give cause to sympathize with them. Problem being, they slathered it on too thick, effectively whitewashing their past actions and never intelligently articulated the other side. I knew where they were going with the arc the second I heard Xen offer that softball rationale for invasion in ME3 compared to Gerrel's stronger argument in ME2. Goes back to what I said about the Genophage earlier.