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[ImaginaryMatter]

Sounds like the way a few of my Shepards make decisions.  I think they're more loyal to specific people than causes. 

 

That's why I'm never sabotaging the Genophage, I always keep Wrex alive and I'm not going to shoot Mordin in the back.

 

I still thought they were pretty bad. I can understand why they would be skeptical of Shepard's visions, maybe even consider him untrustworthy in ME2 due to the events surrounding his resurrection and a temporary alliance with Cerberus, but they seemed to admit at the end of ME1 that they believed Shepard about the Reapers (after they were attacked by one). Even if they were in denial about the existence of the Reapers, shouldn't they still take any threat seriously, as crazy as it may sound, and at least attempt to prepare themselves to defend against an attack? 

 

Maybe Shepard should have made a better argument, insisted that they really shouldn't take a chance like that when so many lives are at stake, or something. Because what happens if Shepard is right, the threat is real, and they just ignored it? The fact that they would do this is so strange to me. 

 

I'm on board with them for not trusting Shepard as I always thought many of the characters were a little too complacent on his resurrection, return, and subsequent working for Cerberus.

 

It's the fact that they pretty much try to shove that whole Sovereign/Geth business under the rug. Like even if they believed the Geth built Sovereign that still leaves the possibility that next time they might build 1 or 2 or a few more when they next launch an assault from behind the Perseus Veil.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Then again, what could they really do? Announcing that a fleet of Sovereigns is coming to kill everyone is only going to hurt the galaxies chances by causing mass panic.

They did make humanity a council race, allowing them to ramp up dreadnought and military production, and IIRC, they did some other stuff as well. They hedged their bets. Besides, there were only two and a half years between the battle of the Citadel and the main invasion. There's not much they could've done. 

 

I know there aren't many things they could have done that would have actually been effective against the Reapers, but it makes them look like bad leaders or at least incompetent ones when they hear about a threat coming and act like they're doing nothing to prevent it. The main thing I can think of that would have made a difference is the Prothean info they had on Thessia - they should have used it instead of hiding it. I just have more respect for the leaders who are more concerned with protecting their people than causing a panic, personally. 

[Derpy]

So you want the whole arc to have been for nothing?

IMHO they should have let you choose who you got on your side.

 

ex. Ignore the Q vs. G war and continue fighting the reapurz and let them settle it themselves.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

That's why I'm never sabotaging the Genophage, I always keep Wrex alive and I'm not going to shoot Mordin in the back.

 

 

I'm on board with them for not trusting Shepard as I always thought many of the characters were a little too complacent on his resurrection, return, and subsequent working for Cerberus.

 

It's the fact that they pretty much try to shove that whole Sovereign/Geth business under the rug. Like even if they believed the Geth built Sovereign that still leaves the possibility that next time they might build 1 or 2 or a few more when they next launch an assault from behind the Perseus Veil.

 

It would be hard for me to plan a playthrough with a Shepard who sabotages the genophage. My favorite characters are so often killed off that I'm always going to save them if they have an option to live, and Wrex is a favorite of mine (even more so after Tuchanka). The only way would be to not recruit him in ME1, but then I might feel bored without him. 

 

I agree about the Council. They could think Shepard is wrong about the details, or that his/her method of acquiring them should be in question, but the important part of the message still stands - something is likely to attack them, and they must believe that if they made Shepard a Spectre to track it down. 

[DeinonSlayer]

IMHO they should have let you choose who you got on your side.

ex. Ignore the Q vs. G war and continue fighting the reapurz and let them settle it themselves.

In other words, Quarians are exterminated, Hackett's efforts fall apart as the logistical situation is never resolved, and the Geth remain under permanent Reaper control.

[Derpy]

In other words, Quarians are exterminated, Hackett's efforts fall apart as the logistical situation is never resolved, and the Geth remain under permanent Reaper control.

Yep. Would make a very interesting ending, don't you think?

[CrutchCricket]

@OneTrue
Or Medigel, or universal thermal clips scattered about.

 

Well medigel is supposed to work on geth "synthetic muscle tissue" and thermal clips were said to be their idea...

 

But yeah, don't expect things like fundamentally different perspectives and aesthetics to actually matter.

 

Then again, what could they really do? Announcing that a fleet of Sovereigns is coming to kill everyone is only going to hurt the galaxies chances by causing mass panic.

They did make humanity a council race, allowing them to ramp up dreadnought and military production, and IIRC, they did some other stuff as well. They hedged their bets. Besides, there were only two and a half years between the battle of the Citadel and the main invasion. There's not much they could've done. 

 

Ramp up ship production, start squirrling away weapons and resources under differing public guises, develop alternative contingencies, institute a draft and blame the geth?

 

So many things they could've done. Hell if this was a Hollywood movie, we'd get a big reveal about a secret government project to either build Ark-type facilities to try and ride it out, or throw together an unlikely team of roughnecks to pull off a longshot mission to save us all. Probably as explained by Morgan Freeman or Billy Bob Thorton.

[von uber]

Nate: my girlfriend says I have to apologise for the strawman comment about him being in the crowd scene on the citadel; apparently it was mean.
He's actually in the Normandy loading dock by the lounge after the coup.

[Derpy]

Nate: my girlfriend says I have to apologise for the strawman comment about him being in the crowd scene on the citadel; apparently it was mean.
He's actually in the Normandy loading dock by the lounge after the coup.

Is he going to try and rape my butt?

[Barquiel]

IIRC, they did some other stuff as well. They hedged their bets. Besides, there were only two and a half years between the battle of the Citadel and the main invasion. There's not much they could've done.

You hear some reports in ME2 that the turians are bolstering their crew complements and the asari are upgrading their ships.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I thought the best thing they could do was make the Geth consensus mission not so biased. Like maybe have a scene where the Geth knock down a door and gun down a Quarian family or have a Quarian communication that mentions a city was just bombed by some sort of chemical agent. Then have Shepard have a Q&A with the Geth representative who expresses either the logical reason behind those events and/or possibly express some form of remorse (in the case of Legion).

 

I guess to clarify the mission wouldn't suddenly become pro-Quarian, it would just be a documentation of everything that happened during the war and showcase both sides, instead of just the Geth one. Perhaps a Quarian representative should be added to the mission as well. After each video there's a discussion between every one present about what they just saw. Shepard will have the option to be pro-Quarian and justify the Quarian's actions leading up to and during the Morning War, pro-Geth; or a wide arrange of more neutral options, ranging from lamenting the actions that led to the current situation or accusing both sides for their recklessness (which I think is one problem of the current set-up, two dialogue prompts isn't significant to encompass the entirety of stances towards a complex situation like the Geth/Quarian conflict).

[Daemul]

Well maybe, given that ME3 'is the best place to start', and thus Wrex and Legion are dead, it plays out better that way due to that. It's our fault for playing the Trilogy.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, ME3's plot was written with the default choices in mind, that includes the endings. The story is actually coherent and makes sense with the Rannoch and Tuchanka arcs being balanced and the Catalyst's claims being backed up by peace being unreachable on Rannoch. Importing destroys all of this. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, ME3's plot was written with the default choices in mind, that includes the endings. The story is actually coherent and makes sense with the Rannoch and Tuchanka arcs being balanced and the Catalyst's claims being backed up by peace being unreachable on Rannoch. Importing destroys all of this. 

 

I've never done a default Shep playthrough, not do I think I could.

[themikefest]

I've never done a default Shep playthrough, not do I think I could.

I've done it a few times.  Not that bad though it sucks with Miranda dying.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

The storyline probably does work better with a default, but I don't think I would want to do a playthrough like that. ME1 and ME2 are my favorites, and only played ME3 as a continuation for my Shepards. The things I enjoyed about ME3 were a result of that, the relationships that my Shepard already had with these characters. I just don't like ME3 enough for it to stand alone. 

[DeinonSlayer]

I guess to clarify the mission wouldn't suddenly become pro-Quarian, it would just be a documentation of everything that happened during the war and showcase both sides, instead of just the Geth one. Perhaps a Quarian representative should be added to the mission as well. After each video there's a discussion between every one present about what they just saw. Shepard will have the option to be pro-Quarian and justify the Quarian's actions leading up to and during the Morning War, pro-Geth; or a wide arrange of more neutral options, ranging from lamenting the actions that led to the current situation or accusing both sides for their recklessness (which I think is one problem of the current set-up, two dialogue prompts isn't significant to encompass the entirety of stances towards a complex situation like the Geth/Quarian conflict).

I doubt they'd want to drill down into it to that extent, but I can think of two lines they could have added to the tail end of the Consensus mission, at the "Retreat" scene:

Shepard: How many did you kill?
Geth VI: Creators threatened our existence. We eliminated the creator threat.

Shepard: How many did you kill? [pause] ...Legion?
Legion: Too many.

[Daemul]

Everyone should go through the default playthrough at least once, it is very good, much more depressing than imports though, but worth it. Be warned, once you play through it you may not be able to see your imported playthroughs the same way again, they just seem like alternate universes to me now. 

[DeinonSlayer]

Never did a default playthrough myself, but I've done playthroughs with Wrex/Eve alive, Wrex lives and Eve dies, Wreav/Eve, and Wreav only; Legion dead, Legion sold, Legion alive; Miranda alive/dead/unloyal, similar with other squadmates.

[eyezonlyii]

To get back on topic, and I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but how about not using a Biotic/Tech power when the situation would call for one? Like the window at Grissom, or Victus' son falling off the bomb, or any of the numerous times a door was locked and an engineer or infiltrator Shep could have unlocked it...kinda makes me want the ME "talents" and gameplay back.

[jtav]

I couldn't do a pure default (Miranda ) but I think I do prefer dead Jack, Geth VI, and Wreav. I also prefer a dead VS and killed Councilor under certain circumstances. 

[DeinonSlayer]

To get back on topic, and I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but how about not using a Biotic/Tech power when the situation would call for one? Like the window at Grissom, or Victus' son falling off the bomb, or any of the numerous times a door was locked and an engineer or infiltrator Shep could have unlocked it...kinda makes me want the ME "talents" and gameplay back.

Yeah, pretty lulzy how a biotic Shepard forgets about Pull with Victus' son. Still, to me the bigger problems are those which are stupid to do regardless of class, like Shepard running towards the elevator full of phantoms instead of pitching a grenade in there.

I've found dead Jack, disloyal Kasumi and dead Thane seem to work best. For me, anyway. Makes Grissom more compelling and the latter two scenes less clumsy. Samara and Jacob make no difference.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Yeah, pretty lulzy how a biotic Shepard forgets about Pull with Victus' son. Still, to me the bigger problems are those which are stupid to do regardless of class, like Shepard running towards the elevator full of phantoms instead of pitching a grenade in there.

I've found dead Jack, disloyal Kasumi and dead Thane seem to work best. For me, anyway. Makes Grissom more compelling and the latter two scenes less clumsy. Samara and Jacob make no difference.

 

Despite how much I love Jack, I must admit that I prefer Grissom Academy without her, in fact without her it's probably my favorite mission in the game.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Despite how much I love Jack, I must admit that I prefer Grissom Academy without her, in fact without her it's probably my favorite mission in the game.

Why? What's the difference?

[DeinonSlayer]

Why? What's the difference?

The situation comes across as far more desperate. Instead of being anonymous faces in the Psychotic Biotic's fan club, Ensign Prangley steps up to lead in Jack's place. There's some really good character-building dialogue in Orion Hall. After talking to Prangley, one of the other students approaches you, uneasily telling you that she has just killed for the first time and asking Shepard how they dealt with it.