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[CronoDragoon]

To me it makes a difference that Miranda feels differently now, and that indeed she trusts you enough to even tell you this in the first place. It'd be one thing if she still felt like she should have put a chip in you, or if she had hidden it from you until you found out through other means. I forgave her the moment she came clean.

[KaiserShep]

Yeah I don't have Shepard give Miranda crap about it, but the legal aspect of it is irrelevant.

[jtav]

I don't like how cold and unforgiving Shep can be. Archer did something horrific but seems to be making a sincere effort to reform when you came clean. But Shepard treats him like he's scum despite potentially being complicit in David's death and despite potentially doing much worse. Would have liked to be less contemptuous of Petrovsky as well, both because I personally like him, and because I tend to play Shep as something of a fallen knight. Neither needs to go on the Christmas card less, but a little less contempt would be nice.

[Bob from Accounting]

It's not irrelevant because the law isn't based on nothing. It's based on reason.

 

You start running into problems real fast if you try and punish people for what they might have done, regardless of why they didn't.

[AlexMBrennan]

ME1: Shepard should be able to take a third option instead of being lawful stupid (let a potentially hostile agent who you've just given access to your brain - Shiala - go) or pointlessly violent (shoot her) when there is a perfectly sensible alternative (detain her until the Alliance can sort out the mess with Saren). Throughout the game, there are numerous similar conflicts purely, I'd imagine, for the sake of fuelling the Paragon/Renegade meter.

 

ME2: Shepard is totally fine with Cerberus, and doesn't even bother to call the Alliance to check if TIM is telling the truth or check Spacebook to see if his friends have really gone underground. By rights Jacob and Miranda should have died on Lazarus station (Shepard can go through ME1 shooting all Cerberus operatives on sight, but come ME2 he'll stop and have a nice chat...) and I've come to the conclusion that the writers should have gone for the Control Chip idea to explain the complete change in Shepard's behaviour. 

 

ME3: Every time Shepard mentions Earth, plus all the irrelevant side missions (yes, let's delay using the anti-Reaper-super-weapon by a few days, causing millions of preventable deaths to save 5 random quarians who crashed on Rannoch). 

[Bob from Accounting]

If you don't want to do the side missions, don't do them.

[KaiserShep]

It's not irrelevant because the law isn't based on nothing. It's based on reason.
 
You start running into problems real fast if you try and punish people for what they might have done, regardless of why they didn't.

That really depends on what we're talking about when we say punish. I'm not going to shoot someone outright for what they might have done, but I'd likely cast one out, probably permanently, as a result, depending on what it was.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Actually Shepard doesn't apologize to the Asari Councilor. She's already off screen. Shepard is apologizing to thin air.

 

My Shepard sided with Jack. Sorry Miranda. You may have rebuilt me, but you wanted to put a chip in my head. You were with us on Pragia. You still couldn't admit what Cerberus did to Jack was wrong. You're a spoiled b****. 

 

But the rest: Shepard was a schizoid brick in ME1 and ME2 with no real feelings about anything that happened to him/her. Hale at least did a decent job of faking a little emotion in her delivery, but mostly it was pretty flat. However, when we get to ME3 and we get to some emotions being expressed people get mad because they're not "my Shepard."

 

There are other things that bother me more.

[CrutchCricket]

Political BS or not, it's short-sighted not to be concerned with the implications of batarian/human war on the eve of the Reapers arrival. Consider what might have happened if Shepard didn't turn himself in.

 

The Alliance fakes it? Considering it's a farce to begin with what does it matter?

 

I don't like how cold and unforgiving Shep can be. Archer did something horrific but seems to be making a sincere effort to reform when you came clean. But Shepard treats him like he's scum despite potentially being complicit in David's death and despite potentially doing much worse. Would have liked to be less contemptuous of Petrovsky as well, both because I personally like him, and because I tend to play Shep as something of a fallen knight. Neither needs to go on the Christmas card less, but a little less contempt would be nice.

 

Do much worse than strap your own autistic brother to the Torturetron 5000, For Science? For the goal of controlling an entire sapient species, at the whim of a megalomaniac? Help me here.

 

He treats Archer like scum because he is scum. At least until he does some act of redemption to move up to not-scum. Merely saying "gee I didn't think it'd be this bad" doesn't cut it.

 

The way I played Omega, I spare Petrovski with a simple "I know my duty." He's an enemy but I don't hate him. When he surrenders and offers to prove useful I take him up on it. I'm fine with that. I just wish I was more forceful in pulling Aria off of him. "Maybe we should think about this" is not what my Shepard would say.

[CronoDragoon]

The Alliance fakes it? Considering it's a farce to begin with what does it matter?

 

Fakes what?

[KaiserShep]

Fakes what?

You know...

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

After forming friendships with EDI, Jack, Garrus, Mordin, and Grunt, not instituting a coup against the Cerberus aspect on the ship. Jacob wouldn't oppose, EDI wouldn't shut down, and if Miranda has a problem, she can talk a walk out the airlock. Just do something big for Aria so she would post a cruiser or two at the Omega-4 relay. Problem solved. 

 

Going into Alliance custody. 

 

Going around gather support for Earth. 

[CrutchCricket]

Actually Shepard doesn't apologize to the Asari Councilor. She's already off screen. Shepard is apologizing to thin air.

 

My Shepard sided with Jack. Sorry Miranda. You may have rebuilt me, but you wanted to put a chip in my head. You were with us on Pragia. You still couldn't admit what Cerberus did to Jack was wrong. You're a spoiled b****. 

 

But the rest: Shepard was a schizoid brick in ME1 and ME2 with no real feelings about anything that happened to him/her. Hale at least did a decent job of faking a little emotion in her delivery, but mostly it was pretty flat. However, when we get to ME3 and we get to some emotions being expressed people get mad because they're not "my Shepard."

 

There are other things that bother me more.

 

If I go to tell you something something and you leave before I say it, it doesn't mean you're not still the recipient.

 

The chip was prudent given the risks. Jack probably wanted to kill you when she first saw you too. Intentions not realized become irrelevant. And while Miranda is starting to lose control of the situation, Jack made it a pissing contest. You don't back down in a pissing contest. Under different circumstances Miranda would admit  Pragia went too far, even if she disavows it as Cerberus.

 

There was feeling enough. And a blank slate is better for roleplaying than forced emotions you don't feel.

[CronoDragoon]

You know...

 

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[CrutchCricket]

Fakes what?

 

Blowing smoke up the batarian's asses. Making a show of putting on a manhunt for Shepard. Publicly trying a look-alike. Come on. Shepard is basically under house arrest in ME3 and the batarians seemed fine with it. There are a hundred different tricks they could've done to appease the batarians while leaving Shepard free to prepare the galaxy.

[von uber]

The horrible, horrible way Femshep speaks to Jacob when asking about him politely. One conversation to introduce yourself, and one loyalty conversation. That's it Jacob, that's all you get now.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

There's a lot of things on here I could go on and on about.

[congokong]

To me it makes a difference that Miranda feels differently now, and that indeed she trusts you enough to even tell you this in the first place. It'd be one thing if she still felt like she should have put a chip in you, or if she had hidden it from you until you found out through other means. I forgave her the moment she came clean.

 

That's fine. What I'm pissed about is that there's no option to not forgive her. But instead of scrutinizing the validation of what bothers me I'd rather hear from posters about what bothers them.

 

Political BS or not, it's short-sighted not to be concerned with the implications of batarian/human war on the eve of the Reapers arrival. Consider what might have happened if Shepard didn't turn himself in.

Again, I'd like the option for my Shepard to not be so content with self-sacrifice for the sake of "big picture" political BS. My Shepard would be content to die in battle; not to backroom politics.

[CronoDragoon]

Again, I'd like the option for my Shepard to not be so content with self-sacrifice for the sake of "big picture" political BS. My Shepard would be content to die in battle; not to backroom politics.

 

I'm not sure where self-sacrifice comes into it, but okay. As for the topic: nothing.

[themikefest]

having Joker bring the Normandy in front of Harbinger to pick up your squadmates

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Where to begin? I'll just list the first few things that came to mind. 

 

1. Shepard allowing the Alliance to arrest them (the dialogue makes it sound like Shepard went along willingly, from what I remember) in the time between ME2 and ME3. It makes even less sense when Shepard hasn't done Arrival, like mine. I guess you could say they were arrested for working with Cerberus, but really, the Alliance and Council are both aware of this throughout ME2 - no one stops Shepard from coming and going freely on the Citadel. Is this the same Shepard who stole the Normandy in ME1 to track down Saren after being detained? That was canon too. They forgot their own canon personality! 

 

2. Shepard's attitude after Thessia - the forced sadness, the apology, lashing out at Joker afterwards. In a game where Shepard could have already sabotaged the krogan's cure and destroyed the entire quarian or geth race with no emotion shown, it's just strange and out-of-character to force it now. And why was Shepard not allowed to blame the asari government for the fall of Thessia? It wasn't Shepard's fault and they shouldn't be made to think that way. 

 

3. The conversation with the Catalyst. After three games of refusing to negotiate with Reapers or use their methods, and arguing against TIM's and Saren's solutions (both canon actions, no way around it) - Shepard just forgets all that at the end, believes the entity who created the Reapers and started these cycles, then sacrifice themselves without protest? No attempts to find another solution? It doesn't even seem like the same character. 

[Faerlyte]

I have a problem with most of what comes out of Shepard's mouth in ME3 

 

But I really have a problem with Shepard sitting around in house arrest while the end of life as they know it is charging up to their doorstep. The whole point of murdering hundreds of thousands of batarians was to prevent the Reapers from charging in through the back door to attack Earth, in essence buying them time...so that they can sit around for 6 months doing nothing apparently (Liara doing research on Mars to "discover" a Prothean weapon is almost as hokey as the explanation she gave for how this blueprint suddenly materialized out of nowhere - very eloquent dialogue to avoid actually saying anything whatsoever). I know if I was faced with the eradication of life, and I had the resources that Shepard does (some of the most talented, skilled allies in the Mass Effect Universe), I would not be sitting around waiting for the Reapers to show up. I'd be breaking jail in a heartbeat.

 

In fact, Shepard breaking jail and going rogue on her own military would've gone a lot farther to show the desperation of the situation, and this is the most desperate a situation that could ever face anyone. If this is to be the end of all things, laws no longer apply. They're meaningless. The idea that anyone would sit and wait for 6 months, knowing what Shepard knows, and not try and do something to prepare for what's coming is absurd. It makes no sense at all. 

 

My other pet peeve: Shepard bitterly complaining about the fact that the other species won't step in line and come save Earth. What's worse, Shepard is self-righteous about it, even though what essentially is being asked of them is that they drop everything - their families, friends, and homes - to flock to Earth's rescue, which is exactly what Shepard whines about having to do when Anderson orders Shepard away from Earth. Thus rendering Shepard a complete hypocrite. What makes Earth so special that all the other species should gather their forces there and not somewhere else? 

 

Oh yeah, and Shepard telling Garrus, after he explains how many of his people have died on Palaven(an astronomical amount), and Shepard responds with something to the effect of "Earth is even worse". How is this an appropriate answer? That's like elementary school 'mine is better than yours' garbage. 

 

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[naddaya]

Pretty much all the things that have already been posted here, plus:

 

1. Shepard's lack of tactics. For a commander, he can sound incredibly dense when trying to explain a plan.

 

2. The kid dreams. We can't control our dreams, I get it. But I'd rather have Shepard's dreams make sense at least.

[DeinonSlayer]

I have a problem with most of what comes out of Shepard's mouth in ME3

But I really have a problem with Shepard sitting around in house arrest while the end of life as they know it is charging up to their doorstep. The whole point of murdering hundreds of thousands of batarians was to prevent the Reapers from charging in through the back door to attack Earth, in essence buying them time...so that they can sit around for 6 months doing nothing apparently (Liara doing research on Mars to "discover" a Prothean weapon is almost as hokey as the explanation she gave for how this blueprint suddenly materialized out of nowhere - very eloquent dialogue to avoid actually saying anything whatsoever). I know if I was faced with the eradication of life, and I had the resources that Shepard does (some of the most talented, skilled allies in the Mass Effect Universe), I would not be sitting around waiting for the Reapers to show up. I'd be breaking jail in a heartbeat.

In fact, Shepard breaking jail and going rogue on her own military would've gone a lot farther to show the desperation of the situation, and this is the most desperate a situation that could ever face anyone. If this is to be the end of all things, laws no longer apply. They're meaningless. The idea that anyone would sit and wait for 6 months, knowing what Shepard knows, and not try and do something to prepare for what's coming is absurd. It makes no sense at all.

My other pet peeve: Shepard bitterly complaining about the fact that the other species won't step in line and come save Earth. What's worse, Shepard is self-righteous about it, even though what essentially is being asked of them is that they drop everything - their families, friends, and homes - to flock to Earth's rescue, which is exactly what Shepard whines about having to do when Anderson orders Shepard away from Earth. Thus rendering Shepard a complete hypocrite. What makes Earth so special that all the other species should gather their forces there and not somewhere else?

Oh yeah, and Shepard telling Garrus, after he explains how many of his people have died on Palaven(an astronomical amount), and Shepard responds with something to the effect of "Earth is even worse". How is this an appropriate answer? That's like elementary school 'mine is better than yours' garbage.

"See this devastation, Primarch? Double it for Earth. I need the Turian fleet."
"We can help you if the pressure is taken off Palaven."
"That's a tall order, Primarch."

...I so wanted to punch my computer in the face.

Add that to the list of places in the game where my spacebar gets a workout (also post-Thessia, Udina's office after the first Council meeting, Shepard standing around for eighteen seconds with his thumb up his ass while the VS gets their head bashed in, Shepard standing around with his thumb up his ass while Thane gets shanked - most of Kai Leng's scenes, really - and "It's good to be home" on Earth. No it ain't, Shepard. You're a colony kid whose stated post-war plans are on Rannoch. Earth is that place where you sat in a cell with your thumb up your ass for six months for no reason - it was never home in any sense, past, present, or future).

[The Sarendoctrinator]

 

In fact, Shepard breaking jail and going rogue on her own military would've gone a lot farther to show the desperation of the situation, and this is the most desperate a situation that could ever face anyone. If this is to be the end of all things, laws no longer apply. They're meaningless. The idea that anyone would sit and wait for 6 months, knowing what Shepard knows, and not try and do something to prepare for what's coming is absurd. It makes no sense at all. 

 

I really like this idea, Shepard as a rogue Spectre in ME3.