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[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

The Collectors never even posed a threat.

Oh, they're going to target Earth? Well, good luck with getting through Turian space, then through Alliance space, then through the Earth Defence Fleet when your ship can be taken out with two shots from a cruiser. 

Solution to defeating the Collectors? Pay Aria to post a single cruiser at the Omega 4 relay. It took that ship of theirs five shots to kill the SR1. 

[DeinonSlayer]

The Collectors never even posed a threat.
Oh, they're going to target Earth? Well, good luck with getting through Turian space, then through Alliance space, then through the Earth Defence Fleet when your ship can be taken out with two shots from a cruiser.
Solution to defeating the Collectors? Pay Aria to post a single cruiser at the Omega 4 relay. It took that ship of theirs five shots to kill the SR1.

Never cared for how Shepard's first conclusion was that "the same ship was dogging him" for years on end, never asking if there was even more than one ship.

It's like that line from Galaxy Quest. "Oh, right, it's all about YOU, isn't it?"

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Of course, Shepard paying off Aria to stop the Collectors wouldn't be heroic enough. 

Even if they had, like 5 ships, I still say a singe cruiser could kill them all. 

[Sir DeLoria]

Both make more sense than Tali, who could die from simply getting her suit caught on a sharp corner. As a Quarian she makes the least sense by far out of all the potential squadmates in all three games as a candidate to bring on your ground combat team.

You should pay more attention to Kal's dialogue. Tali's suit is tougher than Jack's tattoos and Samara's or Miri's catsuit. She also has incredibly powerful shields.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

The loyalty missions got old really fast; I hate trudging through them on perfectionist playthroughs.

 

Depends on the missions:

 

Miranda: Good in concept, although in execution, it was admittedly weak. The gameplay through a warehouse isn't fun, and I still don't understand what the hell Eclipse's plan was, or how Niket was involved, or how they knew about Miranda. Basically, good overall story, fails on the gameplay and execution of narrative.

 

Jacob: An ok mission that comes to an alright conclusion. Story was alright. It was fairly brief, which was alright.

 

Mordin: A drag to playthrough, but a decent enough story that shed light on the ethics of the genophage and how it affected Mordin.

 

Jack: A pure drag to run-through.

 

Garrus: A pure drag to run through.

 

Grunt: Fun to be a badass against Uvenk, otherwise kind of uninspired.

 

Kasumi: Arguably the most entertaining to run through for the first half, the second half got annoying and tedious imo, with a weak payout in ME3 for the data.

 

Zaeed: Good story, meh gameplay, good conclusion.

 

Samara and Thane: Both are how I felt the gameplay and story should have gone. Both imaginative and intriguing. I like.

 

Tali: Good concept, but once again bogged down by gameplay. Lack of effects in ME3 were irritating.

 

Legion: Good overall concept, but sucked on translation for gameplay and executional narrative.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

You should pay more attention to Kal's dialogue. Tali's suit is tougher than Jack's tattoos and Samara's or Miri's catsuit. She also has incredibly powerful shields.

 

I never heard that. Maybe about Kal Reegar's suit, but beyond barriers, Tali doesn't have strong defenses.

[TheTurtle]

You should pay more attention to Kal's dialogue. Tali's suit is tougher than Jack's tattoos and Samara's or Miri's catsuit. She also has incredibly powerful shields.

Jack and Samara both have extremely powerful barriers and Miranda has shields as well.

[DeinonSlayer]

You should pay more attention to Kal's dialogue. Tali's suit is tougher than Jack's tattoos and Samara's or Miri's catsuit. She also has incredibly powerful shields.

She had the strongest shields in ME1 by far even without upgrades, and I remember the dialogue about section seals, but where was this said? Kal said things would get ugly fast in a front-line fight due to their immunity issues, and that Tali had only seen "strike ops" where better equipment was available.

[TheTurtle]

Depends on the missions:
 
Miranda: Good in concept, although in execution, it was admittedly weak. The gameplay through a warehouse isn't fun, and I still don't understand what the hell Eclipse's plan was, or how Niket was involved, or how they knew about Miranda. Basically, good overall story, fails on the gameplay and execution of narrative.
 
Jacob: An ok mission that comes to an alright conclusion. Story was alright. It was fairly brief, which was alright.
 
Mordin: A drag to playthrough, but a decent enough story that shed light on the ethics of the genophage and how it affected Mordin.
 
Jack: A pure drag to run-through.
 
Garrus: A pure drag to run through.
 
Grunt: Fun to be a badass against Uvenk, otherwise kind of uninspired.
 
Kasumi: Arguably the most entertaining to run through for the first half, the second half got annoying and tedious imo, with a weak payout in ME3 for the data.
 
Zaeed: Good story, meh gameplay, good conclusion.
 
Samara and Thane: Both are how I felt the gameplay and story should have gone. Both imaginative and intriguing. I like.
 
Tali: Good concept, but once again bogged down by gameplay. Lack of effects in ME3 were irritating.
 
Legion: Good overall concept, but sucked on translation for gameplay and executional narrative.

This pretty much sums it up, but you forgot Thane. His has to be the worse tailing that guy through the citadel was horribly boring and the pay off wasn't all that great either.

[von uber]

Miranda's arse deflects incoming fire through its gravitational pull. A similar effect can be seen on the camera; this is why she doesn't need heavy armour.

[KaiserShep]

Kasumi had the best loyalty mission to me.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

You should pay more attention to Kal's dialogue. Tali's suit is tougher than Jack's tattoos and Samara's or Miri's catsuit. She also has incredibly powerful shields.

Samara's looks pretty solid except for that 2 square foot hole above the critical organs, assuming Asari physiology is close to humans. 
 

Actually, it would've been kinda funny to learn that the Protheans took humans from Earth and moved them to Thessia, then did their whole bio-engineering thing. 

[Sir DeLoria]

I never heard that. Maybe about Kal Reegar's suit, but beyond barriers, Tali doesn't have strong defenses.

What I meant was, that the Quarian immune system isn't a major hindrance for short combat missions. Even a serious suit breach won't kill you, thanks to tons of anti-biotics("I'm not gonna die from an infenction on the battle field, that's just insulting!").

Quarian combat suits are just light armor with stronger shields.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Tali: Good concept, but once again bogged down by gameplay. Lack of effects in ME3 were irritating.

Lack of effects? It kinda decides whether or not you can make peace between the Quarians and Geth. 

[Sir DeLoria]

She had the strongest shields in ME1 by far even without upgrades, and I remember the dialogue about section seals, but where was this said? Kal said things would get ugly fast in a front-line fight due to their immunity issues, and that Tali had only seen "strike ops" where better equipment was available.

Yeah, Kal meant that Quarians aren't made for a frontline war due to constant need of supplies, but they're fine for short missions(which pretty much all of Shep's missions are). When you meet him, he says that the suit breach won't kill him, because he's "swimming in anti-biotics".

I just assume that a military issued prototype combat suit offers better protection than simply cloth(or in Jack's case nothing) when we're discounting shields/barriers.

[themikefest]

Classic example was when he said that the ease with which he grasped physics (a topic people see as difficult) meant it would be no harder for a raw recruit to become an SF-tier soldier in "a couple of months" with the right instructors. That Liara should have started with zero experience or training to justify The Shepard training her to his level in a Team America-style montage.

He said that? Let him put his money where his mouth is and stick him in the military. He would shut up in a hurry.

[DeinonSlayer]

He said that? Let him put his money where his mouth is and stick him in the military. He would shut up in a hurry.

Oh, yeah. We had a lot of fun with that.

 

*google*

David7204 wrote...

 

I'm not a soldier. I've never been in the military. I can't say with any certainty how much training combat requires.

However, I am a physics student with a pretty solid background in chemistry, math, computer science, and economics. I've seen all the stigmas of how hard such classes supposedly are for years. I've been told by plenty of people that what I do is something they could never handle.

And I can say with certainty that what I've learned so far is nowhere close to as hard to learn as most people seem to think.

With a good teacher, I really have troubling imaging a reasonable smart person taking more than a couple of months to learn what I've gotten to so far. And that's not even with one-on-one training.

Take that for what you will. I don't buy an argument that becoming a competent soldier takes 'years' or anything remotely close to it.

[themikefest]

Apparently he's full of himself. As I posted before. He's a legend in his own mind.

[Sir DeLoria]

Good job Deinon, you made me despise David even more than before.

[DeinonSlayer]

Yeah, Kal meant that Quarians aren't made for a frontline war due to constant need of supplies, but they're fine for short missions(which pretty much all of Shep's missions are). When you meet him, he says that the suit breach won't kill him, because he's "swimming in anti-biotics".

I just assume that a military issued prototype combat suit offers better protection than simply cloth(or in Jack's case nothing) when we're discounting shields/barriers.

Keep in mind that these suits are made by, and for, one of the poorest races in the galaxy. That's not to say I can't see some kind of ballistic plating being incorporated into them, though, for what good it does against the kinds of weapons used in the MEU.

 

I honestly thought it was leaning towards ridiculous how versatile the suits were. I get it if they were modified pre-Morning War NCB gear used to withstand chemical attacks, but things like Nerve-Stim Pro and Geth rewriting their immune systems pushed a bit beyond credibility - and I wouldn't expect anyone who was forced to live in one on a permanent basis to be in the best of health. Think orthodontia, and if they have any requirement like we have for vitamin D from exposure to sunlight.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

What I meant was, that the Quarian immune system isn't a major hindrance for short combat missions. Even a serious suit breach won't kill you, thanks to tons of anti-biotics("I'm not gonna die from an infenction on the battle field, that's just insulting!").

Quarian combat suits are just light armor with stronger shields.

 

Uh, no. 

 

That's not true; case in point, Tali thinks the same as you, but Kal tells her otherwise. Quarian Special Operations get priority for anti-biotics, but otherwise, it's going to get very ugly, very fast for them in a fight.

[Sir DeLoria]

Keep in mind that these suits are made by, and for, one of the poorest races in the galaxy. That's not to say I can't see some kind of ballistic plating being incorporated into them, though.
 
I honestly thought it was leaning towards ridiculous how versatile the suits were. I get it if they were modified pre-Morning War NBC gear used to withstand chemical attacks, but things like Nerve-Stim Pro and Geth rewriting their immune systems pushed a bit beyond credibility.

Oh man yeah, the Geth immune system thing defied the laws of biology on so many levels.

But as far as I can remember, Tali's suit is a rare, special combat version(according to her dossier in LotSB) so I assume there is some armored plating incorporated. Her alternative ME3 suit certainly looks the part.

[Sir DeLoria]

Uh, no. 
 
That's not true; case in point, Tali thinks the same as you, but Kal tells her otherwise. Quarian Special Operations get priority for anti-biotics, but otherwise, it's going to get very ugly, very fast for them in a fight.

Pretty sure he was explicitly talking about actual frontline war. But I'm not sure, I need to rewatch the scene.

[DeinonSlayer]

Oh man yeah, the Geth immune system thing defied the laws of biology on so many levels.

But as far as I can remember, Tali's suit is a rare, special combat version(according to her dossier in LotSB) so I assume there is some armored plating incorporated. Her alternative ME3 suit certainly looks the part.

I just looked. She got the ShieldJack program from Han'Gerrel, but other than that, there's no mention of the suit itself being something non-standard.

 

Liked the "From Ashes" blast shield.

[Sir DeLoria]

I just looked. She got the ShieldJack program from Han'Gerrel, but other than that, there's no mention of the suit itself being something non-standard.
 
Liked the "From Ashes" blast shield.

Really? Huh, strange then that her suit looks so different from every other Quarian's.

Yeah, the blast shield was nice, made her look a tad more professional. I'm guessing you liked that suit because you had it in your profile pic for so long