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[DeinonSlayer]

Really? Huh, strange then that her suit looks so different from every other Quarian's.

Yeah, the blast shield was nice, made her look a tad more professional. I'm guessing you liked that suit because you had it in your profile pic for so long

I thought it matched well to what Shepard was wearing, yeah. The new gold look was good, but not so much for combat.

 

Mostly I couldn't upload any other screenshots for my avatar after enabling console mode in DA:O, so I was stuck with it. Not that I minded. I'll need to start an imgur profile or something to use any other custom screenshots.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Keep in mind that these suits are made by, and for, one of the poorest races in the galaxy. That's not to say I can't see some kind of ballistic plating being incorporated into them, though, for what good it does against the kinds of weapons used in the MEU.

 

I honestly thought it was leaning towards ridiculous how versatile the suits were. I get it if they were modified pre-Morning War NCB gear used to withstand chemical attacks, but things like Nerve-Stim Pro and Geth rewriting their immune systems pushed a bit beyond credibility - and I wouldn't expect anyone who was forced to live in one on a permanent basis to be in the best of health. Think orthodontia, and if they have any requirement like we have for vitamin D from exposure to sunlight.

 

So we're picking at that scab again, are we?

 

Quarian environmental suits. Yes, I'd imagine they'd have a vitamin D requirement, and that they'd have to take a daily supplement. I also don't buy the codex about them having to live in the suits 32/5 (that's quarian days in a quarian week and they have some odd days left over for debauchery at the end of the year -- I made that up. See culture!). Geth "reprogramming" their immune systems? I can't buy that either. 

 

Wait, now speaking of the Geth, I think someone mentioned that the Conduit on Ilos would still be guarded by Geth. Now here's the thing. If you made peace or sided with the Geth, Legion or Geth VI went to them and they are now fully upgraded with the Reaper Code and they're on our side.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Ah yes, the Conduit on Ilos. A device almost assuredly unknown to the Reapers that would make the entirety of Hammer and Sword redundant and would let a huge amount of allied forces onto the Citadel to secure its opening. 

We have dismissed that claim. 

[XXIceColdXX]

Annoyed me Shep didn't question Illusive man harder at beginning of ME2 about losing his team on Akuze and the subsequent treatment of Toombs.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I have to admit, I'm curious how a person would function in everyday life if they're 'really annoyed' by being given a weapon in a video game. If that's 'really annoying' to them. If they're 'really annoyed' by such a thing. If being given a weapon is 'really annoying.'

 

Is it reaching the point where David is about to get banned again?

 

This dribble is pretty sill... redic... err, subpar, even by David standards.

[KaiserShep]

Annoyed me Shep didn't question Illusive man harder at beginning of ME2 about losing his team on Akuze and the subsequent treatment of Toombs.

 

Speaking of Toombs, I was disappointed how he's never seen again. It would've been kind of cool to encounter him again, since he was, after all, gunning for Cerberus. I'm not sure how such an encounter should go down, but I'd like to see the past catch up with Shepard a bit.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Oh, yeah. We had a lot of fun with that.

 

*google*

 

 David7204 wrote...

 

I'm not a soldier. I've never been in the military. I can't say with any certainty how much training combat requires.

However, I am a physics student with a pretty solid background in chemistry, math, computer science, and economics. I've seen all the stigmas of how hard such classes supposedly are for years. I've been told by plenty of people that what I do is something they could never handle.

And I can say with certainty that what I've learned so far is nowhere close to as hard to learn as most people seem to think.

With a good teacher, I really have troubling imaging a reasonable smart person taking more than a couple of months to learn what I've gotten to so far. And that's not even with one-on-one training.

Take that for what you will. I don't buy an argument that becoming a competent soldier takes 'years' or anything remotely close to it.

 

Oh wow, some eerily close similarities between me and David right there.

[CrutchCricket]

This pretty much sums it up, but you forgot Thane. His has to be the worse tailing that guy through the citadel was horribly boring and the pay off wasn't all that great either.

 

It would've been better if ME had some stealth gameplay. Apart from Kasumi's mission and the first part of Arrival, my infiltrator Shep is quite low on infiltrating.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It would've been better if ME had some stealth gameplay. Apart from Kasumi's mission and the first part of Arrival, my infiltrator Shep is quite low on infiltrating.

 

I would have liked some "Splinter Cell " type missions.

[von uber]

I quite liked jacob's loyalty mission.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Oh wow, some eerily close similarities between me and David right there.

 

Yeah: I have a background in computer science and economics, with a strong enough grasp of both physics and mathematics to know that David is talking bull about most of the stuff he says that uses it. In fact, I am confident enough to say that I believe David is lying about nearly all of his credentials. He may well be a Physics major in whatever school he goes too, but that doesn't mean much. It's not very hard to declare yourself a certain major.

 

I have combat training too. I have combat experience. I am not only an active member of the United States Army, I am an officer (1LT) in a position of authority (I am the Executive Officer of a Multi-tasked company, who's unit ID I will keep anonymous). I have full knowledge of what it takes to be a Warrior and combatant.

 

And it does indeed take many months, if not years, to train for it. Prior to going on a combat deployment, you will spend at least 6 months in pre-mobilization training, where you essentially spend the entire time pretending and acting as if you're on deployment (rehearsing), while taking classes and briefings about the local culture and people and the general domain knowledge relevant to the experience. You spend days and weeks rehearsing your job, what you will be doing on deployment. They want you to be as sharp and as prepared for the battlefield as possible. 

 

David has absolutely no idea on what he's talking about in making a raw, untrained civilian who doesn't even have the mentality to be a Soldier (aside from what they grill into you at Basic Training, AIT, and your unit, it does take a certain kind of person to be able to mentally and emotionally stand the warrior's life) into a Spectre-tier Special Operations certified operator, especially with a matter of weeks or months of training on the limited, cramped deck of the Normandy, while the crew is working around with their own duties, and Shepard having to spend 9/10's of his free-time (realistically) to mission development and planning.

[von uber]

I dunno. National servicemen served with distinction in korea for the British army, and they were just conscripted civilians. Certainly not people with a special mentality.
In fact the same could be said for ww1 and 2; they were just civilians. Some with very short training times.

Although what I think you are alluding to is the shake up the us army did in its training post ww2 when they realised trained civilians weren't ruthless enough (something about most shots being fired to miss). Thua a greater emphasis on psychological aspects.
But that's just what I have read, so could be complete bollocks.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I dunno. National servicemen served with distinction in korea for the British army, and they were just conscripted civilians. Certainly not people with a special mentality.
In fact the same could be said for ww1 and 2; they were just civilians. Some with very short training times.

Although what I think you are alluding to is the shake up the us army did in its training post ww2 when they realised trained civilians weren't ruthless enough (something about most shots being fired to miss). Thua a greater emphasis on psychological aspects.
But that's just what I have read, so could be complete bollocks.

 

There's a reason there was a separation between the Regular Army and the Army of the United States (reserved for wartime only). The first is a standing, highly-trained, professional fighting force. The Air Force, Marine Corps, and Navy all don't have such a thing: they're professionals only. The current Army has been this for decades; the last time the AUS was used in Vietnam, and it was disbanded in 1974. 

 

The Regular Army is the professional force of people who volunteered for and trained for their career. The AUS was typically made up of drafted civilians who had an abridged basic training, and who technically owed no obligation once their term of service was up. However, their terms of service were involuntary, and their lengths of service often undefined. They'd be kept as long as they were needed, versus Regular Army Soldiers who had a set definitive length of service set up in their contract for whenever they joined.

 

As I said, the AUS is reserved for times of war only (and even now, they're unlikely to ever be used again). They were, to be succinct and frank, composed of bodies who's purpose was to fill uniforms, dig holes, and shoot rifles to the best of their ability. They weren't people who were going to make the military a career or profession like their volunteer counterparts.

 

For most of the western military's that you see involved in Afghanistan (and Iraq when that was still going on), their force is composed entirely of regular army units that are an all-volunteer, professional force that trained for years.

[von uber]

Oh I know. My point was that you can take civilians and turn them into an effective force in a short time.

[DeinonSlayer]

Oh I know. My point was that you can take civilians and turn them into an effective force in a short time.

I'd still question their effectiveness if expected to work in conjunction with, say, a team of SEALs.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Yeah: I have a background in computer science and economics, with a strong enough grasp of both physics and mathematics to know that David is talking bull about most of the stuff he says that uses it. In fact, I am confident enough to say that I believe David is lying about nearly all of his credentials. He may well be a Physics major in whatever school he goes too, but that doesn't mean much. It's not very hard to declare yourself a certain major.

 

I have combat training too. I have combat experience. I am not only an active member of the United States Army, I am an officer (1LT) in a position of authority (I am the Executive Officer of a Multi-tasked company, who's unit ID I will keep anonymous). I have full knowledge of what it takes to be a Warrior and combatant.

 

And it does indeed take many months, if not years, to train for it. Prior to going on a combat deployment, you will spend at least 6 months in pre-mobilization training, where you essentially spend the entire time pretending and acting as if you're on deployment (rehearsing), while taking classes and briefings about the local culture and people and the general domain knowledge relevant to the experience. You spend days and weeks rehearsing your job, what you will be doing on deployment. They want you to be as sharp and as prepared for the battlefield as possible. 

 

David has absolutely no idea on what he's talking about in making a raw, untrained civilian who doesn't even have the mentality to be a Soldier (aside from what they grill into you at Basic Training, AIT, and your unit, it does take a certain kind of person to be able to mentally and emotionally stand the warrior's life) into a Spectre-tier Special Operations certified operator, especially with a matter of weeks or months of training on the limited, cramped deck of the Normandy, while the crew is working around with their own duties, and Shepard having to spend 9/10's of his free-time (realistically) to mission development and planning.

 

I can imagine. Back when I was applying for the Navy it was going to take at least over a year before I was even ready to set a single foot on a ship.

[von uber]

I'd still question their effectiveness if expected to work in conjunction with, say, a team of SEALs.

 

true; but to say they would be useless and have no place on the ship is a different thing. You'd expect Liara, Tali, Jack etc to be given traning if they were coming along for the missions, and the gameplay demonstrates that they can work effectively (yeah i know - story/gameplay differences) as soldiers in the situations they are in. Hell, their levelling up shows them improving. If they stayed at level 1 the entire game then maybe that would be something.

[Barquiel]

I think comparing Mass Effect combat (where you have things like biotics, medigel and shields) to "real life combat" is a rather pointless exercise. For example, within the Mass Effect universe recruiting Liara makes sense in ME1. You don't have an advanced biotic in your squad, and Liara can master singularity which as far as the lore goes only the most powerful biotics can accomplish. She's mainly about staying in cover and spamming biotics, not shooting enemies.

[DeinonSlayer]

true; but to say they would be useless and have no place on the ship is a different thing. You'd expect Liara, Tali, Jack etc to be given traning if they were coming along for the missions, and the gameplay demonstrates that they can work effectively (yeah i know - story/gameplay differences) as soldiers in the situations they are in. Hell, their levelling up shows them improving. If they stayed at level 1 the entire game then maybe that would be something.

It was a bit ridiculous how Infiltrator and Soldier Shepards who supposedly specialize in the use of sniper rifles had cerebral palsy for the first half of the game that made aiming them next to impossible.

[von uber]

It was a bit ridiculous how Infiltrator and Soldier Shepards who supposedly specialize in the use of sniper rifles had cerebral palsy for the first half of the game that made aiming them next to impossible.

 

Well yes. ME2 and ME3 import games work better as at least you start at a higher level than incompetance.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Old person speaking up....

 

Things have changed since the Vietnam era. Things have changed a lot. In America we used to have a draft. I remember neighbor kids getting drafted to go serve. They'd go to boot camp and then ship out. The number of "boots on the ground" was far larger than it is today. I have a lot of friends who are career military, and that's no lie. Today's force is highly specialized and people require years of training in speciality fields. It's all volunteer. It's not the same. Technology is a lot different. The mindset is a lot different.

 

Massively's post at 6:12 AM pretty much said it all. I have nothing but respect for the people who've served and put their lives on the line.

 

One of the things that they didn't show in the game was the pre-operations planning because that would be boring, but I can imagine that would have been one of the things that was exhausting to Shepard. Shepard wouldn't be doing it alone. (S)He would need a competent team to work with to plan the operations. You wouldn't be going half willy nilly out there running and gunning. Thessia for example probably was a well planned operation that went south, but I don't think any competent team would have ignored the two dead scientists. That temple would have been thoroughly searched before they started. Honestly the team would have had Liara as a science expert, James, Kaidan/Ashley, Javik/Garrus, Shepard and probably a couple of marines at minimum. Liara, keep your head down. Alas the engine doesn't allow this.

[KaiserShep]

I know that this is for sake of exposition in the story, but it always bugs me a little bit how we must talk to Vendetta in the middle of a war zone. How I imagine such a scenario would have gone down:

 

Javik: It appears to be one of our computers.

 

Vendetta: I am Vendetta, modeled after Pashek Vran.

 

Liara: I think we found what we need!

 

Shepard: Great! *downloads VI to omnitool*

 

*Kai Leng shows up*

 

Shepard: You! What do you want?

 

Kai Leng: Your attention. *cue TIM hologram*

 

Shepard: You're a little late, and I think this is my cue to exit.

 

TIM: Leng, the Commander has something I need. Relieve her of it.

 

Kai Leng: With pleasure.

 

Shepard: It's about time.

 

*Kai Leng dies*

[ImaginaryMatter]

I know that this is for sake of exposition in the story, but it always bugs me a little bit how we must talk to Vendetta in the middle of a war zone. How I imagine such a scenario would have gone down:

 

Javik: It appears to be one of our computers.

 

Vendetta: I am Vendetta, modeled after Pashek Vran.

 

Liara: I think we found what we need!

 

Shepard: Great! *downloads VI to omnitool*

 

*Kai Leng shows up*

 

Shepard: You! What do you want?

 

Kai Leng: Your attention. *cue TIM hologram*

 

Shepard: You're a little late, and I think this is my cue to exit.

 

TIM: Leng, the Commander has something I need. Relieve her of it.

 

Kai Leng: With pleasure.

 

Shepard: It's about time.

 

*Kai Leng dies*

 

Javik: The Cerberus humans must be growing desperate. They can't even afford to give their own soldiers real weapons.

[themikefest]

Old person speaking up....

 

Things have changed since the Vietnam era. Things have changed a lot. In America we used to have a draft. I remember neighbor kids getting drafted to go serve. They'd go to boot camp and then ship out. The number of "boots on the ground" was far larger than it is today. I have a lot of friends who are career military, and that's no lie. Today's force is highly specialized and people require years of training in speciality fields. It's all volunteer. It's not the same. Technology is a lot different. The mindset is a lot different.

 

Massively's post at 6:12 AM pretty much said it all. I have nothing but respect for the people who've served and put their lives on the line.

 

One of the things that they didn't show in the game was the pre-operations planning because that would be boring, but I can imagine that would have been one of the things that was exhausting to Shepard. Shepard wouldn't be doing it alone. (S)He would need a competent team to work with to plan the operations. You wouldn't be going half willy nilly out there running and gunning. Thessia for example probably was a well planned operation that went south, but I don't think any competent team would have ignored the two dead scientists. That temple would have been thoroughly searched before they started. Honestly the team would have had Liara as a science expert, James, Kaidan/Ashley, Javik/Garrus, Shepard and probably a couple of marines at minimum. Liara, keep your head down. Alas the engine doesn't allow this.

I can vouch that. The training today is a lot more sophisticated from when I was in the Army in the 80' and early 90's. I would almost feel out of place. in today's military. Of course if they came and ask me to fight again I wouldn't have a problem with that.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Javik: The Cerberus humans must be growing desperate. They can't even afford to give their own soldiers real weapons.

 

Shepard: I can't believe Anderson only shot this bastard in the legs and left him to die. What an idiot. 

 

****
Later....

 

Anderson: I was born in London.

 

Shepard: Hey, Anderson. Remember when you told me you shot Kai Leng in both legs?

 

Anderson: Yeah, he's a mean bastard. I couldn't believe he survived that.

 

Shepard: Why the f*** didn't you finish him off?

 

Anderson: Uh... rule of derp?