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[KaiserShep]

Anderson: "It's a bit embarrassing to admit, Shepard, but I was kind of going for the sadist's way out. You know, torture him a little bit and then on to the finishing blow. Well wouldn't you believe that the thermal clip only had two shots left, so Kahlee and I got the hell out of dodge and hoped he'd just bleed out or something."

 

Shepard: "I stabbed him in the gut with an omniblade..."

 

Anderson: ...

 

*closes channel*

 

Joker: "Sucks to be on the receiving end of that, huh?"

 

Shepard: "Still smells like victory to me."

[themikefest]

Anderson is an idiot.

 

"Shepard. I'm sending you up the middle where the resistance  is the heaviest.  Don't get yourself killed. I need you for the final push."

[DeinonSlayer]

Anderson is an idiot.
 
"Shepard. I'm sending you up the middle where the resistance  is the heaviest.  Don't get yourself killed. I need you for the final push."

Shepard uses "Aura of Heroism"



It's not very effective

[KaiserShep]

Anderson is an idiot.

 

"Shepard. I'm sending you up the middle where the resistance  is the heaviest.  Don't get yourself killed. I need you for the final push."

 

Shepard: "How about we just avoid confronting the destroyer altogether by having a distraction team keep its attention away from my infiltration squad long enough to make it to the beam?"

 

Anderson: "How about...shut up?"

[Animositisomina]

Shepard: "How about we just avoid confronting the destroyer altogether by having a distraction team keep its attention away from my infiltration squad long enough to make it to the beam?"

 

Anderson: "How about...shut up?"

After the release of the EC, we can see they apparently could've just had the Normandy swoop in and drop Shepard off directly at the beam. They're effectively invisible, so why bother with the whole "beam run" at all?

[von uber]

Shepard: "How about we use the Conduit?"

 

Anderson: "How about...shut up?"

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Shepard uses "Aura of Heroism"



It's not very effective

 

Heroic missile splash +5. No effect. 

[themikefest]

Shepard: Anderson. I think I know why you let me have the SR1?

 

 

Anderson: What are you talking about?

 

Shepard: Apparently you have no leadership skills.

 

Anderson: What are you saying Shepard?

 

Shepard: I'm saying you want me to avod getting killed by going up the middle where I will run into heavy fighting only to have me for the final push. That doesn't make sense to you? Had you been in charge when I was after Saren, we would be dead now. You aren't cutout to be in any leadership position.

 

Anderson: How dare you talkto me in th--

 

renagede interrupt

 

Shepard: Shut up idiot and let me and the others take care of this while you go take the shape of a chair or something.

[Aimi]

Oh I know. My point was that you can take civilians and turn them into an effective force in a short time.

Depends on your definition of "effective". Generally, the answer is "no, you can't".

Example: the First World War, in which American forces required over a year of intensive training with experienced teachers, along with some action in the actual trenches (albeit in quiet areas of the front). Even after that year-plus of training, however, American units were by and large still not as effective as other Entente ones. In particular, they took more casualties, were harder to maneuver, and infantry-artillery cooperation was poor until the final weeks of the war. American units achieved successes equivalent to those of the other Entente powers in the Hundred Days' fighting that ended the First World War, but it was harder and costlier in blood and treasure for them to do it. After eighteen months, the AEF was still only groping towards "effectiveness".

And eighteen months is only the time that those draftees and volunteers spent in the army, actually being trained and fighting. Prewar military socialization was also a Thing. Organizations like the Boy Scouts of America deliberately inculcated values and skills that happened to be useful for warfare: woodcraft, marksmanship, discipline, small-unit leadership. Imagine how much more difficult it would have been to make "effective" soldiers out of Americans without such experiences.

That was back when war was still relatively simple. Trench fighting in 1918 is entirely different than commando raids in 2183. In most respects, that's because of a dramatic increase in complexity. Other posters have highlighted how much training has changed in the US military over the last few decades, and that's true. A similar quantum shift in training occurred in the late nineteenth century to deal with the "tactical crisis of the day", the firepower revolution that swept away linear formations and created the "empty battlefield". And that's just over the last century and a half: imagine the sorts of shifts we'd see after another 150 years.

[Han Shot First]

It was a bit ridiculous how Infiltrator and Soldier Shepards who supposedly specialize in the use of sniper rifles had cerebral palsy for the first half of the game that made aiming them next to impossible.

 

Yeah, that is a pretty good example of how gameplay and lore don't always mesh. As far as the lore goes Shepard (of any class) should be at least competent in every possible weapon category in the game. Of course in gameplay you can't go that route or there would be too much similarity between classes.

 

Another example is that sniper rifles are being used at ranges that very rarely exceed the equivalent of 100 - 150 meters, and most of them its much closer. In the real world that's considered close combat. Sniper Shep never gets to engage targets at 1000 meters out.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I like where this post is going.

 

I know that this is for sake of exposition in the story, but it always bugs me a little bit how we must talk to Vendetta in the middle of a war zone. How I imagine such a scenario would have gone down:

 

Javik: It appears to be one of our computers.

 

Vendetta: I am Vendetta, modeled after Pashek Vran.

 

Liara: I think we found what we need!

 

Shepard: Great! *downloads VI to omnitool*

 

*Kai Leng shows up*

 

Shepard: You! What do you want?

 

Kai Leng: Your attention. *cue TIM hologram*

 

Shepard: You're a little late, and I think this is my cue to exit.

 

TIM: Leng, the Commander has something I need. Relieve her of it.

 

Kai Leng: With pleasure.

 

Shepard: It's about time.

 

*Kai Leng dies*

 

Citadel, post-Thessia:

 

Khalisah al-Jilani: Shepard let me ask... that final fight, take me through it.

 

Shepard: Well I'm the best Spectre in the game! When you try me with a sorry thing like Leng that's the result you gonna get! Don't you ever talk about me!

 

KaJ: Who was talking about you?

 

Shepard: LENG! Don't you open your mouth about the best or i'ma going to stand up on you real quick. SR-2!

 

KaJ: ...uh alright, and Allers... back to you.

[KaiserShep]

In ME1 you can snipe enemies that are pretty far away. It was pretty satisfying getting the drop on those suckers just standing around in the sand.

[Han Shot First]

Yeah, having Kai Leng bringing a sword to a gunfight was pretty silly. 

 

This is what probably would have happened to sword-wielding Kai Leng if not protected by plot armor: (4:11)

 

 

 

 

Or....

 

 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

In the second one, Harrison Ford had the flu and didn't feel like doing the scene. That was a blooper and it worked, so they kept it in the movie.

[SporkFu]

Yeah, having Kai Leng bring a sword to a gunfight was pretty silly. 

 

This is what probably would have happened to sword-wielding Kai Leng if not protected by plot armor: (4:11)

 

 

This is what Thane should have done, right down to the "really??" expression. Best easter egg ever.

[Han Shot First]

This is what Thane should have done, right down to the "really??" expression. Best easter egg ever.

 

Shepard: *points pistol at Kai Leng* Three on one pal...it's over.

 

Kai Leng: No, now it gets fun. *twirls sword*

 

*blam*

 

*Kai Leng falls over dead*

[Daemul]

In ME1 you can snipe enemies that are pretty far away. It was pretty satisfying getting the drop on those suckers just standing around in the sand.

Yeah. I remember being on top of a hill with Ashley and Garrus overlooking a Pirate compound over 400m away and taking out enemies with sniper rifles. Fun times.

[Mordokai]

Man, get back to work after two weeks of sick leave and things get out of control. Guess that's something I'll have to get used to...

 

I was hoping to reply to some of the stuff we started yesterday, but that's buried ten pages back and what... twice as many topic changes? I'm not dragging it up again, apologies to anybody affected by it.

 

Besides, the way things move, it's only a matter of time before it will surface again.

[DeathScepter]

Yeah, having Kai Leng bring a sword to a gunfight was pretty silly. 

 

This is what probably would have happened to sword-wielding Kai Leng if not protected by plot armor: (4:11)

 

 

 

 

Or....

 

 

 

 

Keep in mind that is scenes from a movie and not reflective of reality or Mass Effect. And In the real world, Swordman will not be that big of an idiot to do that infront of a gunman.  Also Within Mass Effect, Shields are commonplace for military and para military organizations like  Alliance and Cerberus.

 

Remember it is the user not the weapon is the key here.

[SporkFu]

Keep in mind that is scenes from a movie and not reflective of reality or Mass Effect. And In the real world, Swordman will not be that big of an idiot to do that infront of a gunman.  Also Within Mass Effect, Shields are commonplace for military and para military organizations like  Alliance and Cerberus.

 

Remember it is the user not the weapon is the key here.

I still would have stood up from my chair and cheered if Thane pulled that off, just like I did in the movie theatre when I saw Raiders for the first time.

[Han Shot First]

Keep in mind that is scenes from a movie and not reflective of reality or Mass Effect. And In the real world, Swordman will not be that big of an idiot to do that infront of a gunman.  Also Within Mass Effect, Shields are commonplace for military and para military organizations like  Alliance and Cerberus.

 

Remember it is the user not the weapon is the key here.

 

Even though the Mass Effect universe includes many elements (biotics, shields, armor, ect.) that would likely alter small unit tactics in significant ways from how things are conducted today, it is highly unlikely IMO that it would render swords a viable weapon the battlefield. You're still bringing an edged weapon that only has a melee function against assault rifles and machine guns that can kill from hundreds (or thousands) of meters away. I can't envision any scenario where swords don't remain obsolete.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Even though the Mass Effect universe includes many elements (biotics, shields, armor, ect.) that would likely alter small unit tactics in significant ways from how things are conducted today, it is highly unlikely IMO that it would render swords a viable weapon the battlefield. You're still bringing an edged weapon that only has a melee function against assault rifles and machine guns that can kill from hundreds (or thousands) of meters away. I can't envision any scenario where swords don't remain obsolete.

 

Except those where you have plot armor (shields).

[themikefest]

I still would have stood up from my chair and cheered if Thane pulled that off, just like I did in the movie theatre when I saw Raiders for the first time.

I remember seeing the movie when it first came out and everyone in the theater cheered when Indiana Jones shot that guy

[DeathScepter]

I still would have stood up from my chair and cheered if Thane pulled that off, just like I did in the movie theatre when I saw Raiders for the first time.

 

 

who won't cheer if Thane did that regardless of the idiot.

[KaiserShep]

Even though the Mass Effect universe includes many elements (biotics, shields, armor, ect.) that would likely alter small unit tactics in significant ways from how things are conducted today, it is highly unlikely IMO that it would render swords a viable weapon the battlefield. You're still bringing an edged weapon that only has a melee function against assault rifles and machine guns that can kill from hundreds (or thousands) of meters away. I can't envision any scenario where swords don't remain obsolete.

 

Phantoms do make pretty good use of this weapon in conjunction with tactical cloaking and a gauntlet-mounted projectile weapon. Honestly, if something like the N7 Shadow was available in single player, I'd totally play that.