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[DeathScepter]

Even though the Mass Effect universe includes many elements (biotics, shields, armor, ect.) that would likely alter small unit tactics in significant ways from how things are conducted today, it is highly unlikely IMO that it would render swords a viable weapon the battlefield. You're still bringing an edged weapon that only has a melee function against assault rifles and machine guns that can kill from hundreds (or thousands) of meters away. I can't envision any scenario where swords don't remain obsolete.

 

 

Well Most of Kai Leng's scenes are poorly written to start off. For example, When I use the N7 Slayer, I would use a balance of Melee, Phrase Disurptor, and Biotic Slash quite regularly. Also Swords are by nature good back up due to they never run out of ammo or the much needed cooldowns of abilities

 

A well written space cyber ninja would use all of his tools for all situation  and use unorthodox and orthodox tactic to confuse people. Most of Kai leng's scenes are supposed to invoke the rule of cool but they are poorly done.

 

Personally I would write Kai Leng more of a cheating bastard and using both Tactical Cloak, Smoke grenades and phrase disprutors and using both sneak attacks and full assaults at uneven angles. 

[Han Shot First]

I remember seeing the movie when it first came out and everyone in the theater cheered when Indiana Jones shot that guy

 

Indiana Jones did renegade better than Mass Effect. 

 

The bridge scene is another example. 

[SporkFu]

I remember seeing the movie when it first came out and everyone in the theater cheered when Indiana Jones shot that guy

Yup, same here, except most people in the theatre just laughed. My buddies and I all stood up and cheered.

[ImaginaryMatter]

What makes Kai Leng even sillier is that Shepard can crush him in a fist (pistol whip) fight as well, since you can stagger lock him with melee attacks.

[von uber]

Actually, Lash makes him sillier..

[DeathScepter]

Actually, Lash makes him sillier..

 

 

he will get even sillier if you use a Cerberus phantom armor from Citadel while lashing him. So you can out cerberus him as well.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Actually, Lash makes him sillier..

 

Well, that too.

[Sir DeLoria]

Even though the Mass Effect universe includes many elements (biotics, shields, armor, ect.) that would likely alter small unit tactics in significant ways from how things are conducted today, it is highly unlikely IMO that it would render swords a viable weapon the battlefield. You're still bringing an edged weapon that only has a melee function against assault rifles and machine guns that can kill from hundreds (or thousands) of meters away. I can't envision any scenario where swords don't remain obsolete.

Then you clearly aren't very familiar with the Metal Gear Solid franchise

Sure, you have range with a gun, but when are you gonna have hundreds of meters of clear view? Someone skilled at hand-to-hand combat or swordsmanship can easily beat a gunman in CQC.

If Kai Leng was smart, he could've easily cloaked and backstabbed Shep. Game over.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Then you clearly aren't very familiar with the Metal Gear Solid franchise

Sure, you have range with a gun, but when are you gonna have hundreds of meters of clear view? Someone skilled at hand-to-hand combat or swordsmanship can easily beat a gunman in CQC.

If Kai Leng was smart, he could've easily cloaked and backstabbed Shep. Game over.

 

I don't know why they just didn't make him a phantom with extra shields. It would have made the fight more difficult than the target practice it currently is.

[Sir DeLoria]

I don't know why they just didn't make him a phantom with extra shields. It would have made the fight more difficult than the target practice it currently is.

Yeah I agree, a Kai Leng phantom plus 4 or more regular ones would've been great.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Yeah I agree, a Kai Leng phantom plus 4 or more regular ones would've been great.

 

My ideal version of the Kai Leng fight though would be for it to change specifically depending on the class Shepard is, and the tactics and battle field layout will be given so that Shepard has a disadvantage.

 

So for Vanguards Kai Leng would fight from an unreachable platform (no Charge or Nova for Shepard).

 

Engineers would have their drones hacked and Kai Leng would have a power immunity function like Phantoms/Banshees.

 

And so on...

[Han Shot First]

Sure, you have range with a gun, but when are you gonna have hundreds of meters of clear view? Someone skilled at hand-to-hand combat or swordsmanship can easily beat a gunman in CQC.
 

 

Are we talking real world or in video games? 

 

In the real world there are plenty of areas where you can have hundreds of meters of relatively clear view. 

 

"Comments from returning soldiers reveal that about fifty percent of engagements occur past 300 meters."

 

Taking Back The Infantry Half Kilometer (Warning: PDF)

 

As for soldiers skilled in hand-to-hand combat or melee weapons trumping gunmen in close quarters battle, the last century or so of warfare has shown otherwise. 

 

The below scene, while part of a television series, is a fairly faithful depiction of the real life heroics of John Basilone (Medal of Honor recipient) and his machine gun section during the Battle of the Tenaru (Guadalcanal). It is also a very good demonstration of what usually happens in the modern era when troops make bayonet charges against well armed, well trained and disciplined troops who are just as determined to hold their position as you are to take it.

 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The thing about kinetic barriers is that they don't work in cut scenes, nor do they work in the novels. They are simply a game play mechanic.

[Aimi]

The thing about kinetic barriers is that they don't work in cut scenes, nor do they work in the novels. They are simply a game play mechanic.

They work in cutscenes when it is convenient for them to do so. Example: Mass Effect 2, Samara's recruitment mission. If Shepard takes the Renegade interrupt when she encounters the Eclipse sister Elnora, Elnora attempts to shoot her at close range with an M-9 Tempest. Shepard's shields take the hit (visible shield fluctuation in the cutscene) and then Shepard and her party gun Elnora down.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Nihlus, The Illusive Man. Yes, TIM's suit is supposed to have a strong kinetic barrier. One shot kill at the end of ME3.

[Aimi]

Sure. That's the point. Kinetic barriers work in cutscenes when the plot demands it, and they don't work in cutscenes when the plot demands that.

[Steelcan]

I also remember in BDtS that mechanic loses a shot at Shepard that dissipates on his kinetic barriers

[SporkFu]

I also remember in BDtS that mechanic loses a shot at Shepard that dissipates on his kinetic barriers

And on Feros, Lizbeth Baynham (sp?) takes a shot at Shepard as he comes around a corner.

[themikefest]

Saren had barriers on Virmire during the cutscene when Shepard fired his/her weapon at him

[CrutchCricket]

Then you clearly aren't very familiar with the Metal Gear Solid franchise

 

Pfft. Leng is a disgrace to cyborg ninjas everywhere.

 

MGS2 Raiden could beat him.

 

Otherwise, in real life or modern+ realistic settings, swords have no place without required secondary powers (typically bullet dodging or deflecting) and just plain Rule of Cool backing it it. Which of course turns down the realism factor.

[ImaginaryMatter]

You know things are bad in ME3 because no one can afford a kinetic barrier.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Ashley can't afford a kinetic barrier. One shot kill. Wrex on Virmire can't afford a kinetic barrier - one shot kill, then Ashley goes gangsta on him. Garrus didn't seem to be able to afford a kinetic barrier since he went down so easily -- yeah, I had that issue in one game: Garrus the inept squad mate.

[Supreme6789]

Helping the councilors.Most of the game right there 

[Iakus]

The thing about kinetic barriers is that they don't work in cut scenes, nor do they work in the novels. They are simply a game play mechanic.

 

Bah, kinetic barriers are just blue hit points.

 

And  biotic barriers are just purple hit points

[Mordokai]

Bah, kinetic barriers are just blue hit points.

 

And  biotic barriers are just purple hit points

 

And the red hit points are ever grateful for their continuous sacrifice.