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[Barquiel]

Thessia would always have been invaded. Shepard even says that we couldn't have stoped the reapers on Thessia even if we got the data before cerberus (since Vendetta was programmed to withhold the information about the Catalyst until the Crucible was built).

[Sir DeLoria]

Thessia would always have been invaded. Shepard even says that we couldn't have stoped the reapers on Thessia even if we got the data before cerberus (since Vendetta was programmed to withhold the information about the Catalyst until the Crucible was built).

But if we got the data before Cerberus, we wouldn't have had a battle for Earth, the Citadel could've been evacuated, Shepard easily survived and Earth not put at risk of total destruction.

[von uber]

we wouldn't have had a battle for Earth.... Earth not put at risk of total destruction.

Did you play the intro?

[AlexMBrennan]

Sorry, but if the the Reapers hadn't had time to move the Citadel to Earth then we'd have been unable to use their magical space elevator and all our collected infantry war assets would pointlessly sit around in landing barges in open space whilst our fleets (which were only ever strong enough to serve as a distraction) get torn apart trying to breach the Citadel (which is known to be ale to survive weeks of siege) whilst under fire from the entire enemy armada.

If the asari hadn't withheld their knowledge of the beacon, we'd be dead... Unless an equally lucky contrived coincidence happened to save us.

On a more serious note, it's pointless to speculate about alternative outcomes when everything comes down to a never ending stream of lucky coincides like ME3.

[DeinonSlayer]

Sorry, but if the the Reapers hadn't had time to move the Citadel to Earth then we'd have been unable to use their magical space elevator and all our collected infantry war assets would pointlessly sit around in landing barges in open space whilst our fleets (which were only ever strong enough to serve as a distraction) get torn apart trying to breach the Citadel (which is known to be ale to survive weeks of siege) whilst under fire from the entire enemy armada.
If the asari hadn't withheld their knowledge of the beacon, we'd be dead... Unless an equally lucky contrived coincidence happened to save us.
On a more serious note, it's pointless to speculate about alternative outcomes when everything comes down to a never ending stream of lucky coincides like ME3.

If TIM hadn't gotten ahold of the VI, the Reapers wouldn't have attacked the Citadel to begin with. He was the one who told them it was the final component of the Crucible. It'd have been docked and deployed in the Serpent Nebula without a big, climactic space battle.

But you're probably right on that last point.

[von uber]

That ignores the fact that the reapers should have taken the citadel (how did they anyway?).

[themikefest]

Had the Asari had any common sense, which they never  had nor ever will,  they could've revealed the artifact earlier that could've/would've saved lives. It was about them wanting to keep their #1 ranking. They never cared about any of the other species. But no, when the reapers are on their doorstep they cry like little babies wanting everyone to save them and realize if they reveal the artifact it might help with the Crucible. Had the reapers never went to Thessia, no one would know about the artifact except the stupid Matriarch's

 

There is also the possibility that had it been revealed earlier that the Crucible could've been docked with the Citadel in the Serpent Nebula instead of Earth and quite possibly given time to evacuate the Citadel

[Farangbaa]

Must've been mentioned countless times before... but since I had this conversation yesterday it's fresh on my mind.

 

Shepard comparing the Genophage to the First Contact War.

 

That's just so ridiculous

[Steelcan]

If the gorram asari councillor isn't a part of the "upper levels of my [asari] government" then who the hell is?

And Tevos's replacement has different dialogue that isn't nearly ass open to interpretation.

[Augustei]

I was annoyed with my Shepard for going back to The Alliance and fighting against the Illusive Man.
 

[Secretlyapotato]

Generally making herself sound annoying, crazy, and obsessive towards the council and everyone else whenever the words "reapers" and "Saren" are mentioned.

[Barquiel]

That ignores the fact that the reapers should have taken the citadel (how did they anyway?).

 

The reapers would have taken the citadel regardless. Its fate was sealed the moment the asari fleet retreated.

Thessia: Asari Fleet – Fast mass-relay access to the Citadel makes Thessia a vital military asset, and most of the asari fleet is stationed there to protect the homeworld. Alliance forces bolstered asari lines, giving the asari the chance to recover and make fast repairs.

You don't have to be a military genius to know what the reapers attack next
 

[DeinonSlayer]

The reapers would have taken the citadel regardless. Its fate was sealed the moment the asari fleet retreated.Thessia: Asari Fleet – Fast mass-relay access to the Citadel makes Thessia a vital military asset, and most of the asari fleet is stationed there to protect the homeworld. Alliance forces bolstered asari lines, giving the asari the chance to recover and make fast repairs.
You don't have to be a military genius to know what the reapers attack next

Actually, they didn't attack the Citadel until TIM told them it was the last component for the Crucible - which he learned from the Prothean VI which Cerberus was able to recover because the Asari kept the beacon on Thessia a secret instead of giving it to the Crucible project.

I have no doubt the reapers could take the Citadel any time they wanted to, Asari fleet or no.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Actually, they didn't attack the Citadel until TIM told them it was the last component for the Crucible - which he learned from the Prothean VI which Cerberus was able to recover because the Asari kept the beacon on Thessia a secret instead of giving it to the Crucible project.

I have no doubt the reapers could take the Citadel any time they wanted to, Asari fleet or no.

 

Yep. They didn't have much of a need for it with their current actions. That's why it was never taken.

 

It looks to me like it's the Asari's fault, regardless of how you look at it.

[themikefest]

Its all about the Asari wanting to keep their #1 ranking. They didn't care about anything else. Remember they can do no wrong

[von uber]

Yep. They didn't have much of a need for it with their current actions. That's why it was never taken.

 

 

Rubbish. It's the lynchpin of every previous invasion strategy for the Reapers. Take the Citadel, turn off the Relay network = win.

The only reason they didn't take it is because the game would be over. It should be over when they do finally get around to take it.

[Barquiel]

The Reapers knew that by attacking and controlling the Citadel they could cripple the galaxy in one stroke...and they didn't have much of a need for it? The only explanation why they didn't attack it earlier is because the council races hold the the line. That's why they tried to use Cerberus (the coup).

[KaiserShep]

The reaper invasion should have hit quite a few snags so that it's more believable that they couldn't simply rolfstomp through the galaxy as effectively as they did. The fact that reapers have reached Tuchanka and Palaven near the beginning of the game suggests that they are already a stone's throw away from the Citadel. Regardless of what anyone says, the reapers need it to facilitate their plans. Whether or not they're aware of the Crucible doesn't change that.
 

[themikefest]

There might another reason why the reapers didn't take the Citadel first. The signal from the Prothean scientists may of prevented the Citadel from shutting off the relay network.

[Iakus]

There might another reason why the reapers didn't take the Citadel first. The signal from the Prothean scientists may of prevented the Citadel from shutting off the relay network.

 

But it's also where the seat of Council government resides.  There's loads of intelligence to be gained there, as well as it being crushing to moral to have it fall to the Reapers.

 

Honestly, the Reapers should have hit it first, even before Earth.

[KaiserShep]

There might another reason why the reapers didn't take the Citadel first. The signal from the Prothean scientists may of prevented the Citadel from shutting off the relay network.

 

I suppose this is always a possibility, especially since even after the reapers do take the Citadel, the fleet is still able to jump to the Sol system. But still, cutting off the center of galactic government still seems like a pretty solid plan, relay shutdown or no relay shutdown.

[themikefest]

But it's also where the seat of Council government resides.  There's loads of intelligence to be gained there, as well as it being crushing to moral to have it fall to the Reapers.

 

Honestly, the Reapers should have hit it first, even before Earth.

They could have their minions on the Citadel pass whatever info the reapers needed without ever having to go to the Citadel.

 

I do agree they should've gone to the Citadel first.

[KaiserShep]

I do agree they should've gone to the Citadel first.

 

I guess the big problem is having a familiar hub world. I don't know how much anyone else would really like this idea, but if the Citadel is taken sooner in the game, whatever secret base where the Crucible is being built would be a suitable substitute, though it would be all business since it's nothing but engineers and scientists working on the thing (not that I would disapprove of this setting).

[CrutchCricket]

Thessia would always have been invaded. Shepard even says that we couldn't have stoped the reapers on Thessia even if we got the data before cerberus (since Vendetta was programmed to withhold the information about the Catalyst until the Crucible was built).

 

Uh-huh. So that's why we're all "boo ho it's our fault we lost Thessia" right?

 

Seems legit.

 

As for the Reapers there's no excuse for them not beelining it to the Citadel as soon as they got here, taking it over, shutting the relay network down and then going back to business as usual. Game over.

 

Of course then there wouldn't be a game, but hey whose fault is it that the only way we can win is through stupidity?

[themikefest]

I guess the big problem is having a familiar hub world. I don't know how much anyone else would really like this idea, but if the Citadel is taken sooner in the game, whatever secret base where the Crucible is being built would be a suitable substitute, though it would be all business since it's nothing but engineers and scientists working on the thing (not that I would disapprove of this setting).

Bioware could've given us Thessia as hub world up to the point you speak with the Asari Councilor.

 

Sur'Kesh could've been a hub world after recovering the female Krogan

 

The Crucible would be cool and you would only be able to purchase tech items