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[Iakus]

I guess the big problem is having a familiar hub world. I don't know how much anyone else would really like this idea, but if the Citadel is taken sooner in the game, whatever secret base where the Crucible is being built would be a suitable substitute, though it would be all business since it's nothing but engineers and scientists working on the thing (not that I would disapprove of this setting).

 

Then the problem was mamking the Reapers so overwhelmingly numerous and powerful that they can roflstomp multiple homeworlds at once.

 

Bbut the Citadel?  Oh, no, that's a bridge too far!

[DarthLaxian]

good good finally a topic for this:

 

1. Going to JAIL while there is a threat out there (Reapers) - I would have never done that (even more: My Sheppard has enough influence amassed that the Alliance would likely be unable to touch him anyway, from the Shadow Broker, to the Migrant-Fleet, the Council (knowing things they want kept quiet, them owing him/her their lives, connections to Aria who has major influence on Councilor Tevos + being able to threaten them with the Shadow Broker's knowledge (they said the broker could topple governments after all!)) etc.

 

1.1 Not preparing for the Reapers (with all the influence, money (shadow broker (Liara), mineral-claims etc.) and power there should have been a lot more he/she could have done...like developing the Thanix-Cannon more, looking into weapons the Reapers know nothing about (outside of what they wanted developped) etc.)

 

2. Not shooting that Admiral that tried to blow me up on the geth dreadnought (punching him is a little weak for what IMO is attempted murder!)

 

3. Really being able to say "I FUCKIN' TOLD YOU SO" to the whole council (!) as well as Alliance brass!

 

4. Chosing better teammates - like another Krogan in ME3 (there's so many characters I would love to recruit - like the green Asari or the STG-People from ME1 etc.)

 

5. Throwing Jacob off my ship (at least after knowing what he does in ME3 even if romanced!) or leaving him at his dad's planet (with his dad and without weapons)

 

6. Getting a real pilote (Joker fucked up big in ME2 at the start...he calls that evading weaponsfire?...*shakes his head*)

 

7. ... (need to think some more, there are MANY things!)

 

greetings LAX

[Sir DeLoria]

Did you play the intro?

Not that fight for Earth, I'm talking about the final battle to dock the Crucible.

[Sir DeLoria]

Rubbish. It's the lynchpin of every previous invasion strategy for the Reapers. Take the Citadel, turn off the Relay network = win.
The only reason they didn't take it is because the game would be over. It should be over when they do finally get around to take it.

You're speculating, what Deinon wrote about is actually mentioned in the game, it's canon. So yes, the Asari were indirectly responsible for the late capture of the Citadel.

Although bad writing is afoot as well...

[von uber]

You're speculating, what Deinon wrote about is actually mentioned in the game, it's canon. So yes, the Asari were indirectly responsible for the late capture of the Citadel.

Although bad writing is afoot as well...

 

My response was to Massively's statment that the Reapers didn't need to take the Citadel. Nowt to do with the Asari.

[Sir DeLoria]

My response was to Massively's statment that the Reapers didn't need to take the Citadel. Nowt to do with the Asari.

Yep, I realized that too late haha. It's pretty late here, so my apologies

[ImaginaryMatter]

You're speculating, what Deinon wrote about is actually mentioned in the game, it's canon. So yes, the Asari were indirectly responsible for the late capture of the Citadel.

Although bad writing is afoot as well...

 

I still find it weird though. Even without any fleets the station can turtle up and the Reapers couldn't do anything about it unless they shot it open (and who knows how that will go since the thing is quantum locked... or something like that). Which would suggest that they had an inside man to open the wards, give control of the station to the Reapers, and fly it to Earth -- the thing after all has a secret control panel, all they would need to do is sneak one person inside to hand the station over to the Reapers. Of course that strategy doesn't really depend on how many fleets are guarding the station so I wonder why the Reapers didn't do it earlier.

 

Either way it seems like the Reapers could have take the Citadel and the Organics wouldn't have been able to do much about it, plus they would have greatly debilitated the war effort for them afterwards.

[Steelcan]

I still find it weird though. Even without any fleets the station can turtle up and the Reapers couldn't do anything about it unless they shot it open (and who knows how that will go since the thing is quantum locked... or something like that). Which would suggest that they had an inside man to open the wards, give control of the station to the Reapers, and fly it to Earth -- the thing after all has a secret control panel, all they would need to do is sneak one person inside to hand the station over to the Reapers. Of course that strategy doesn't really depend on how many fleets are guarding the station so I wonder why the Reapers didn't do it earlier.

 

Either way it seems like the Reapers could have take the Citadel and the Organics wouldn't have been able to do much about it, plus they would have greatly debilitated the war effort for them afterwards.

That's what TIM did

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

You're speculating, what Deinon wrote about is actually mentioned in the game, it's canon. So yes, the Asari were indirectly responsible for the late capture of the Citadel.

Although bad writing is afoot as well...

 

Can I ask anyone to explain exactly how the Asari were responsible in any way for the late capture of the Citadel? Directly, Indirectly or otherwise? The Reapers could have taken it any time they wanted. The didn't because it would have been much of a story. They could have gone directly to the Citadel on "turn one" and taken it then in force. Game over. We have to round up the parts for the Crucible around the galaxy using standard FTL while the galaxy is getting harvested and getting its ass kicked. Then we have a tiny fleet to get the Crucible to the Citadel. Reapers win again.

[von uber]

If the asari are responsible for the late capture then Shirley that is a good thing.. as being responsible for an early capture would be worse...

[DeinonSlayer]

I still find it weird though. Even without any fleets the station can turtle up and the Reapers couldn't do anything about it unless they shot it open (and who knows how that will go since the thing is quantum locked... or something like that). Which would suggest that they had an inside man to open the wards, give control of the station to the Reapers, and fly it to Earth -- the thing after all has a secret control panel, all they would need to do is sneak one person inside to hand the station over to the Reapers. Of course that strategy doesn't really depend on how many fleets are guarding the station so I wonder why the Reapers didn't do it earlier.
 
Either way it seems like the Reapers could have take the Citadel and the Organics wouldn't have been able to do much about it, plus they would have greatly debilitated the war effort for them afterwards.

Maybe during the coup attempt they sabotaged the systems used to seal the ward arms or something?

[Barquiel]

You're speculating, what Deinon wrote about is actually mentioned in the game, it's canon. So yes, the Asari were indirectly responsible for the late capture of the Citadel.

Although bad writing is afoot as well...

 

Not really. The reapers always knew about the crucible plans and they certainly didn't need TIM or the Vendetta VI to tell them that the "citadel is the catalyst"...for rather obvious reasons.

[KaiserShep]

Not really. The reapers always knew about the crucible plans and they certainly didn't need TIM or the Vendetta VI to tell them that the "citadel is the catalyst"...for rather obvious reasons.

 

There's no telling how up to date the Catalyst was on those plans. It may not have encountered all of its revisions over the cycles. Heck, it's possible that the Catalyst only ever discovered one of the earliest drafts of the Crucible and failed to find many others. The one thing that does bother me is the Charon relay. I suspect that the time it would take for something like a mass relay to be totally encased in ice is not really considered here, that or the protheans simply ignored that relay and jumped to the Sol system from a neighboring relay via FTL to study humanity and leave behind an archive on Mars.

[General TSAR]

 

2. Not shooting that Admiral that tried to blow me up on the geth dreadnought (punching him is a little weak for what IMO is attempted murder!)

 

It's not attempted murder, it's endangerment. 

[General TSAR]

- Not calling the Normandy to shoot down Balak's ship, Vido's gunship and Kai Leng's gunship.

Hell yeah WTF? Is it so difficult for the Normandy to lock on a small spacecraft/gunship? 

[KaiserShep]

- killing the Thorian. Why am I forced to commit genocide? It was a very unique alien life form, the only one of its kind. If I understood correctly, Exogeni tried to study the Thorian against its will so it fought back in self-defense. It worked with Saren to get better security, but he betrayed it and sent the geth to kill it. I don't blame the poor thing for mistrusting Shepard. What makes this even more depressing is that the Thorian managed to cure Shiala's indoctrination. This could have been a potential trump card against the Reapers.

 

Wouldn't this really be a knock against the Thorian canonically turning on Shepard no matter what? After all, Shepard has no choice but to kill it, unless you want the option to leave the Thorian be and leave the colonists to their fate.

 

 

Hell yeah WTF? Is it so difficult for the Normandy to lock on a small spacecraft/gunship? 

 

 

I can only assume that this is to prevent one option from becoming undeniably superior to the other.

[Ryriena]

What pissed me off the most is the ending goodbye scene with Javaki if you convince him too use the memory shard. As well, my Shepard wouldn't want him to kill himself over that she would want to him live with those memories. She was telling him some memories are worth the pain not that killing himself over those memories was the right choice..... Living with the memories makes us stronger not killing ourselves over them.... I'm like why not say something Shepard.

Ashley/Kaiden scene on Horizon the Paragon options are cringe worthy. My Shepard's an Idealist but also seemed like a moron during this scene. As it seemed way out Character for both of them to make such assumptions about my characters choice to side with Ceburs I mean they stole the Normandy with me in ME1 suddenly they don't trust me? They never showed mistrust in my Shepard before so I was entirely confused during that scene. I don't mind personality traits be talked about at least show some mistrust Issue in game 1. Since in game 1, you already told me I know you and trust you are doing the right thing.

[ImaginaryMatter]

- Not calling the Normandy to shoot down Balak's ship, Vido's gunship and Kai Leng's gunship.

 

Kai Leng's is especially odd. The gun ship doesn't have FTL capabilities so at least a Cerberus frigate had to be in the area to pick it up. But the planet was surrounded in Reapers. Even if Cerberus was Indoctrinated the Reapers would still find it suspicious that he was there when none of them ordered it or even weirder that he was acting independently of them; and if they knew that plans relating to the Crucible were on board that would give them more incentive to destroy the ship and end them once and for all. Unless this was all somehow to plan, somehow.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

1. ME1 - Shepard is a moron.

2. ME2 - Shepard is a moron.

3. ME3 - Shepard is a moron.

 

There, I said it. That about sums up everything. It's a cultural thing. We here in North America where we pride ourselves on exceptionalism sure seem to dislike smart people. We make smart people villains, schemers, or egotistical jackasses in cultural media. We don't mind people who are tougher than us, and who can get the job done on brute strength, repetitive practice of a skill, or luck. In fact we worship them. But using their brains? That's a no no. We just don't like them, so smart characters have to have a lot of character flaws. This is why Batman has a deep psychological flaw because he's smart.

 

Shepard punches and shoots away the problems of the galaxy. The message at the end of ME1 is that brains get in the way, and fists solve the problems (The Council and Udina finally believing Shepard then getting in the way of solving the problem so Anderson uses his fists to solve it). Of course Shepard could have waited in the Council Chambers with his team for Saren and had a latte and a couple of croissants, but then we wouldn't have gotten that useless information dump that got completely retconned in ME3. Scoff if you will at that, but it was the equivalent of part of Dr. T'soni's time capsule.

 

If you play a Shepard who uses their brain, you can become a monster, because the Paragon/Renegade scale punishes your neutrality leaving you without the critical persuade checks. It gets worse in ME3 since you can only do Paragon OR Renegade.

[Iakus]

 

1. ME1 - Shepard is a moron.

2. ME2 - Shepard is a moron.

3. ME3 - Shepard is a moron.

 

There, I said it. That about sums up everything. It's a cultural thing. We here in North America where we pride ourselves on exceptionalism sure seem to dislike smart people. We make smart people villains, schemers, or egotistical jackasses in cultural media. We don't mind people who are tougher than us, and who can get the job done on brute strength, repetitive practice of a skill, or luck. In fact we worship them. But using their brains? That's a no no. We just don't like them, so smart characters have to have a lot of character flaws. This is why Batman has a deep psychological flaw because he's smart.

 

Shepard punches and shoots away the problems of the galaxy. The message at the end of ME1 is that brains get in the way, and fists solve the problems (The Council and Udina finally believing Shepard then getting in the way of solving the problem so Anderson uses his fists to solve it). Of course Shepard could have waited in the Council Chambers with his team for Saren and had a latte and a couple of croissants, but then we wouldn't have gotten that useless information dump that got completely retconned in ME3. Scoff if you will at that, but it was the equivalent of part of Dr. T'soni's time capsule.

 

If you play a Shepard who uses their brain, you can become a monster, because the Paragon/Renegade scale punishes your neutrality leaving you without the critical persuade checks. It gets worse in ME3 since you can only do Paragon OR Renegade.

 

 

 

But, but...it's so dark and edgy!

 

And tragic!  Did I mention tragic?

[ImaginaryMatter]

 

1. ME1 - Shepard is a moron.

2. ME2 - Shepard is a moron.

3. ME3 - Shepard is a moron.

 

There, I said it. That about sums up everything. It's a cultural thing. We here in North America where we pride ourselves on exceptionalism sure seem to dislike smart people. We make smart people villains, schemers, or egotistical jackasses in cultural media. We don't mind people who are tougher than us, and who can get the job done on brute strength, repetitive practice of a skill, or luck. In fact we worship them. But using their brains? That's a no no. We just don't like them, so smart characters have to have a lot of character flaws. This is why Batman has a deep psychological flaw because he's smart.

 

Shepard punches and shoots away the problems of the galaxy. The message at the end of ME1 is that brains get in the way, and fists solve the problems (The Council and Udina finally believing Shepard then getting in the way of solving the problem so Anderson uses his fists to solve it). Of course Shepard could have waited in the Council Chambers with his team for Saren and had a latte and a couple of croissants, but then we wouldn't have gotten that useless information dump that got completely retconned in ME3. Scoff if you will at that, but it was the equivalent of part of Dr. T'soni's time capsule.

 

If you play a Shepard who uses their brain, you can become a monster, because the Paragon/Renegade scale punishes your neutrality leaving you without the critical persuade checks. It gets worse in ME3 since you can only do Paragon OR Renegade.

 

 

Relative to everyone else though, Shepard is a genius.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Relative to everyone else though, Shepard is a genius.

Well, yeah. 

They use ships that utilize only kinetic barriers. So why not just strap a nuclear warhead into a mass accelerator and start melting Reapers?

[ImaginaryMatter]

Well, yeah. 

They use ships that utilize only kinetic barriers. So why not just strap a nuclear warhead into a mass accelerator and start melting Reapers?

 

Or use anti-matter weapons.

 

The simple explanation I think is that the writers didn't think about it. There could easily be any number of explanations to explain why such-and-such device couldn't be used as a weapon, yet they don't exist. I guess in could be implied that since the Citadel races all signed whatever treaty that banned such weapons that the races didn't have stock piles of them. However, the technology still existed (they are on board pretty much every ship) and it seems like given the level of technological advancement the races could have easily started making weapons out of them.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Or use anti-matter weapons.

 

The simple explanation I think is that the writers didn't think about it. There could easily be any number of explanations to explain why such-and-such device couldn't be used as a weapon, yet they don't exist. I guess in could be implied that since the Citadel races all signed whatever treaty that banned such weapons that the races didn't have stock piles of them. However, the technology still existed (they are on board pretty much every ship) and it seems like given the level of technological advancement the races could have easily started making weapons out of them.

It just seems like they though "Well, they're such a good thing to use for a standard person, they must be useful for space combat as well."

Because, while KBs are great for ground combat, they are easily negated when on scale where high-yield weapons would be incredibly useful.