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[CrutchCricket]

Shoot Mordin in the back, recruiting Morinth, killing Falere... Not to mention the multiple genocides you can have a hand in. Shepard can do much worse than Overlord.

 

Hale at least plays Shep as pretty contemptuous of Petrovsky regardless of what you do.

 

The single killings are all relatively painless. There is no comparison to the ongoing torture David faces or to his level of innocence and defenselessness; Falere comes close on that last one but at least she can understand what's happening and could theoretically defend herself. Also though two of those are betrayals, none of them carries the personal connection and responsibility Archer is supposed to have towards his brother.

 

The genocides are arguably necessary and stack against the survival of the entire galaxy. Aratoht isn't even up for debate. The rachni in ME1 are possibly the most gray (though you're only technically killing one being so it's an interesting question). The krogan are dying anyway, and if you cure the genophage and they can't manage their numbers they'll die even faster. As for the quarians and geth, if you can make peace there's no genocide. If you can't there's genocide either way, none of which you're actually responsible for. Finally destroy isn't genocide if the geth are already dead and if they aren't it's still arguably necessary based on the perceived feasibility of the other choices and the trustworthiness of the enemy.

 

And I guess voice acting is a mixed bag. Hale doesn't seem quite as pissed off with Joker after Thessia. I could almost stomach her lines there.

 

Shepard has used EDI before to hack and/or override systems without needing her body in ME2. Case in point, the Collector ship.

 

Indeed. I always take her to the geth dreadnaught and it's still Tali hacking all the things. I am dissappoint.

[path0geN7]

Shepard has used EDI before to hack and/or override systems without needing her body in ME2. Case in point, the Collector ship.

 

Didn't you need to find a specific place on the Collector Ship to set up a link with EDI? I think it's more efficient just to bring her along. If I'm recalling this incorrectly, just disregard this post.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

You guys are amazing! You have underscored why one simply does not play Mass Effect unless they are three sheets to the wind or in a similar condition. 

 

I agree with kaiser that Liara should have at least used an awkward stare and blinked after Shepard delivered that line, and that should have defaulted to Shepard having only one response: I should go.

 

Writing more intelligent protagonists and more intelligent good guys requires writing more intelligent and complex antagonists. I'm guessing they wanted to keep things at the 5th to 7th grade level. 

 

* Watch out! Enemies everywhere! I will destroy you! Can't hide from me!

 

I know I should try others in ME2 but I just love taking Zaeed and Jack everywhere and doing bad things.

 

Shepard is both a bad ass and a moron.

[KaiserShep]

Didn't you need to find a specific place on the Collector Ship to set up a link with EDI? I think it's more efficient just to bring her along. If I'm recalling this incorrectly, just disregard this post.

 

That's pretty much what happens. Twice, actually, since the Collector General springs the trap, and Shepard has to access the control panel again. And then throughout that mission, the computer system of the Collector vessel is constantly fighting back, and this is as it's coming out of its dormant state. I guess if the devs wanted to write EDI to be even more capable against the Cerberus station, they could have, but Cerberus DID create that system to begin with. You'd think that they'd have some kind of countermeasures specifically tailored to withstand remote access of her cyberwarfare suites.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

That's pretty much what happens. Twice, actually, since the Collector General springs the trap, and Shepard has to access the control panel again. And then throughout that mission, the computer system of the Collector vessel is constantly fighting back, and this is as it's coming out of its dormant state. I guess if the devs wanted to write EDI to be even more capable against the Cerberus station, they could have, but Cerberus DID create that system to begin with. You'd think that they'd have some kind of countermeasures specifically tailored to withstand remote access of her cyberwarfare suites.

 

It was a case of dumb and dumber.

[Bob from Accounting]

Find the smartest people in the Universe and start problem solving. The atomic bomb didn't create itself.

 

That's not a very good answer.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Didn't you need to find a specific place on the Collector Ship to set up a link with EDI? I think it's more efficient just to bring her along. If I'm recalling this incorrectly, just disregard this post.

 

Yes, but that also applies for the Cerberus station. She needs a console there too.

[congokong]

Also in LOTSB, I saw Vasir's betrayal coming a mile away, and Shepard kept on being oblivious and telling her his position and everything.

I couldn't understand why Shepard never asked Vasir "Why are you here?"

[path0geN7]

I couldn't understand why Shepard never asked Vasir "Why are you here?"

 

I wanted to ask the same thing to Brooks in the Citadel DLC

[Invisible Man]

I couldn't understand why Shepard never asked Vasir "Why are you here?"

or if you weren't here, how'd you know exactly how the shooting in liara's apartment went down. cause she new too many details that only the shooter or a witness would know.

[von uber]

Yes, like the barriers comment. It's quite obvious second time through.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

This plus other stuff I've read above, plus "you mean Asari can reproduce with their own species?

I just play it like Shepard's trolling her, but she doesn't realize the question wasn't serious. 

 

 

And I guess voice acting is a mixed bag. Hale doesn't seem quite as pissed off with Joker after Thessia. I could almost stomach her lines there.

Seriously? It's even worse with a MaleShep? I've only played ME3 once, as a FemShep, and she still sounded too angry for the character I was trying to play. 

 

 

* Watch out! Enemies everywhere! I will destroy you! Can't hide from me!

Have you ever played a paranoid Shepard? I have, and it makes these lines sound perfectly (and hilariously) in-character. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

That's not a very good answer.

 

Neither is yours. Dissension without reason is senseless and combative.

[Nightwriter]

Ohhhhhh to post a megalist or not to post a megalist...

[Iakus]

Ohhhhhh to post a megalist or not to post a megalist...

 

Me-ga-LIST! Me-ga-LIST!  Me-ga-LIST!

[DeathScepter]

i don't have much problem with Shepard within Me2 or Me1. But Idiocy within ME3 was the size of the galaxy with shepard and other characters.

[Hurbster]

Well, the sole survivor background Shep happily joining up with the organisation  that killed his squad on Akuze AND NEVER MENTIONING IT EVER was not the best of starts for ME2, in my opinion.

[CrutchCricket]

Seriously? It's even worse with a MaleShep? I've only played ME3 once, as a FemShep, and she still sounded too angry for the character I was trying to play. 

 

When I was posting on the most recent "snapping at Joker after Thessia" thread on the old BSN, I hadn't replayed Thessia yet so I looked up vids for what was actually said. And I remember looking at a femShep one and thinking "it's not that bad. The renegade choice doesn't explicitly mention losing Thessia and it doesn't sound that angry." Then I heard the maleShep version and though "oh now I remember."

 

You have to pick the renegade choice in that conversation if you don't want to be all angsty about Thessia specifically, for no good reason. Problem is that results in an even more pissed off Shepard.

[DeinonSlayer]

I prefer to skip talking to James and Joker altogether after Thessia, keeps Shepard's whining to a minimum. Anderson's waiting call (pick-your-flavor-of-butthurt) typically gets ignored for the rest of the game.

Though I can think of a few ways to answer that email...

[CrutchCricket]

If I remember correctly you can just barely get through the butthurt without claiming direct responsibility for Thessia. Just barely though. Takes some imagination and a slight tweaking of one word.

[DeinonSlayer]

If I remember correctly you can just barely get through the butthurt without claiming direct responsibility for Thessia. Just barely though. Takes some imagination and a slight tweaking of one word.

If you can provide directions, I'm all ears. My current solution is to simply mash the spacebar and not look back.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

When I was posting on the most recent "snapping at Joker after Thessia" thread on the old BSN, I hadn't replayed Thessia yet so I looked up vids for what was actually said. And I remember looking at a femShep one and thinking "it's not that bad. The renegade choice doesn't explicitly mention losing Thessia and it doesn't sound that angry." Then I heard the maleShep version and though "oh now I remember."

 

You have to pick the renegade choice in that conversation if you don't want to be all angsty about Thessia specifically, for no good reason. Problem is that results in an even more pissed off Shepard.

That's probably what I ended up doing. I know I reloaded enough times to try each of the dialogue options, and if none of the choices really fit my character, I tend to choose the one with the least offensive wording even if the tone is all wrong. At least I can try to headcanon some other reason why they're pissed off, like losing to Kai Leng. 

 

If I remember correctly you can just barely get through the butthurt without claiming direct responsibility for Thessia. Just barely though. Takes some imagination and a slight tweaking of one word.

Yes, please tell us. I'll take notes and use them for my next playthrough. 

[themikefest]

When I get control of femshep I ignore talking with anybody(including Anderson) and head to the galaxy map to do another mission.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I suppose I could replace the .ogg file that gets called up for "Sorry we lost Thessia." and replace it with "F***!!"

[CrutchCricket]

Right so let me know if I leave any convo unaccounted for. I'm working off memory and what vids I can find as I'm not on a computer that has the game installed right now.

 

Asari council convo- no options. Shepard doesn't say it's his fault but some of us have issues with the apology. I also found "no one saw this coming" particularly insulting but hey, it's unskippable.

 

Liara convo- when you head back into the war room and Liara's being all mopey. Pick the paragon option. The exact dialogue is: "It's my job to be prepared, no matter what. And now Thessia is lost along with the data on the catalyst." I cringe at the priority order but there is no explicit responsibility claimed. The rest I believe is acceptable either way since they start talking about Horizon

 

Anderson convo- at the holoterminal. Optional. The paragon option claims responsibility in those exact words.The renegade choice isn't much better: "I knew going in what the Reapers were capable of but I also knew what I was capable of. And losing the asari homeworld wasn't in the playbook" This is where I go "la-la-la-la" and pretend there's an "on" in there, specifically "losing on the asari homeworld wasn't in the playbook"- which pretty much just means losing shouldn't have been an option. It's a pretty douchebag line but I'll take it over being forced to feel responsible for something I couldn't possibly have prevented, just because "blue space babes". If someone knows how to unpack and repack sound files I would recommend actually modding the line. Given how much GamerPoop has been able to do, adding "on" in the middle of a sentence shouldn't be too hard.

 

Joker convo- the infamous "I can't take a joke all of a sudden" moment. Optional. The paragon option bitches at Joker because millions of people (read asari, aka "superpeople") died. As if millions don't die everyday. The renegade option, while even more pissed (if maleShep) is your better option. Or at least the lesser of two evils. ""You're a damn good pilot Joker and I put up with a lot because of that. But we're in the middle of a war." Generic to the point of being derpShep, yes. The followup of "why the jokes" even more so? Yes. But at least you can interpret it as just a general "**** off Joker" as opposed to "wah the asari are sad". Follow up with paragon if you want to reconcile or renegade if you feel like being a douche.

 

Garrus- Nothing Thessia related.

 

Liara-Javik Confrontation- nothing that claims responsibility. It's pretty obvious which way to go, depending on your sympathies. I usually take the interrupt and side with Javik. He gives her a little pep talk either way.