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[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Don't forget that The STG is not so innocent with Reaper Tech and they were studying it as of Mordin's background line within ME2 as of Tunchaka

Except the STG didn't get indoctrinated and began attacking the Allied war effort.

[DeathScepter]

Except the STG didn't get indoctrinated and began attacking the Allied war effort.

 

 

that is beside the point. Also many people wanted to kick Cerberus's ass pre ME3, post Me2 era. Bioware gave them that.

[DuskWanderer]

Things that Shepard did in canon that really pissed me off (ME3 only)

 

1.) Acting grateful to see Liara and talking with a warm voice on Mars. Seriously, I thought I was away from this deranged lunatic

 

2.) Letting Liara have the run of my ship. Seriously, I have an intercom. Use it. Better yet, have EDI do it, it's one of the things she is supposed to do.

 

3.) Some of the autodialogue features regarding the krogan. Whether paragon or renegade, it always felt like I was being driven to support them

 

4.) Eavesdropping on random civilians and giving them tech. I mean, couldn't I have gotten e-mails from respective people for this? It was kinda creepy.

 

5.) The stupid way Shepard dealt with Kai Leng on the Citadel. Shep acted like a total ******

 

6.) I didn't mind that Ash/Kaidan stepped out of the way to deal with Udina automatically if the relationship was high. What I did mind was how they talked about regrets. Seriously, you trust me, you should say something like "Udina's with Cerberus? Okay."

 

7.) The indoctrinated hanar quest was fun, but Kasumi took it way too unseriously. I understand her feeling outclassed, but seriously, you are one of the biggest badasses of the universe, you went to the collector base and lived. Have some confidence

 

8.) More random stuff from the first game in the Conrad Verner quest. That was just funny

 

9.) -Big One- The whole freaking pouting after Thessia. I didn't get to criticize the asari for withholding valuable secrets (even if they didn't know it was the Catalyst, they knew it was Prothean, and we were dealing with a big Prothean thing), I had to blame myself for the problem (when I should have blamed High Command for waiting too damn long), I had to snap at Joker (He's an ass, but I had to snap because the poor asari are dying), and everyone had to talk about Liara. I'm glad at least Kaidan and Garrus mentioned killing Kai Leng.

 

10.) The ending, but that's a whole different can of worms.

[LegacyOfTheAsh]

I have a few. Most are auto-dialogue responses from ME3. I won't list many:

-Garrus suggests Shepard gets some sleep and Shep responds with, "I'll sleep when I'm dead." I have 10 characters and most of them would not have responded that way

 

-Of course the snapping at Joker

 

-Doesn't really make me angry but I always thought it was odd how Shepard responded to Wrex about the Genophage in ME1

 

-When entering Afterlife for the first time and when confronted by the small group of batarians you can choose the "Paragon" option that has Shepard whip out a pistol as an implied threat. Shepard is essentially saying, "If a fight breaks out, I'll vent you". It may have been a bluff but you still just threatened to kill someone over a fist fight. That one doesn't make me angry. I just think it's funny as a Paragon option. It may have made more sense to mention that Aria might not like them interfering with Shepard's appointment with her

 

-It really bugged me that Shepard did such a poor job of explaining to the VS what the deal with Cerberus was.

 

-This last one is me simply saying what I don't have a problem with and that was Shepard under willful "house arrest". That was more an issue with the Alliance being buttheads in my opinion. The alternative would have been Shepard going on the run or busting out (somehow). That probably would have resulted in the Alliance attempting to hunt Shepard down. If that came to a head Shepard would probably end up having to surrender anyway. Even worse, it could culminate in Shepard killing his/her fellow soldiers, getting his crew injured/killed, or getting him/herself injured/killed. Then where would we be? Reaper paste. Shepard's best bet was willful surrender and hoping the brass would hear him/her out. Though in Shepard's case higher-ups tend to think Shepard is crazy.

 

-Also, I strongly doubt Hackett sold Shepard out to the batarians. I didn't read into it that way at all when he made the scapegoat comment. Considering the outcome of the Arrival mission, Hackett would have had to disclose everything that he was aware of to the Alliance. I read the comment more so that it was likely word would get out that the Hero of the Citadel was being tried for the destruction of the Bahak System and the batarians would be outraged once they found out. If this was indeed the outcome (and it was) then the Alliance would put the blame on Shepard in order to say, "Hey, Shepard did this alone. We didn't have anything to do with it and we are going to make sure justice is served. Don't start a war or anything". As i turns out, this was pretty much true. It's not like anyone else made the decision to destroy the relay. That was all Shepard's unyielding initiative.

[DeinonSlayer]

There are times romanced Shepard should be giving Liara hugs. This and after Thessia. Shepard says it so casually too. It has been eating away at Liara for 2 years. Time for comfort.

At that point technically they weren't in a relationship. Dying kind of breaks things off. I could understand some distance. ...But... then what was the welcoming kiss about?

I made a thread stating the Illium encounter was the most poorly written scene in the series.

http://social.biowar...17855733-1.html

The AutoHug (which we couldn't skip watching) complete with her longingly whispering Shepard's name was a very awkward moment for anyone who didn't romance her. Same for Shepard's, ah, enraptured greeting of her on Mars, though I'm pretty sure that's a bug considering that he has a similar tone greeting Tali if romanced and a casual "Glad you could make it" if not.

Some of the autodialogue during and after the Consensus mission. Shepard seems to believe everything he's shown without question. Also, I for one didn't find the "Legion picks up his rifle" scene nearly as endearing as I suspect we were meant to, given what they ultimately did.

[shodiswe]

Sometimes Shepard sounded stupid missing painfully obvious things(I'm guessing that's to make sure everyone knows what's going on in case they missed it)

 

Other than that I'm not that worried about Shepards behaviour or words, though like I said, it could seem a little stupid at times. The endgame Priority Earth onward could have been more interesting for an end to a trilogy. But after the EC it wasn't terrible.

[ImaginaryMatter]

The AutoHug (which we couldn't skip watching) complete with her longingly whispering Shepard's name was a very awkward moment for anyone who didn't romance her. Same for Shepard's, ah, enraptured greeting of her on Mars, though I'm pretty sure that's a bug considering that he has a similar tone greeting Tali if romanced and a casual "Glad you could make it" if not.

Some of the autodialogue during and after the Consensus mission. Shepard seems to believe everything he's shown without question. Also, I for one didn't find the "Legion picks up his rifle" scene nearly as endearing as I suspect we were meant to, given what they ultimately did.

 

I was wondering if the Widow was actually a 300 year old weapon.

[General TSAR]

Some of the autodialogue during and after the Consensus mission. Shepard seems to believe everything he's shown without question. Also, I for one didn't find the "Legion picks up his rifle" scene nearly as endearing as I suspect we were meant to, given what they ultimately did.

Agreed.

 

Obvious whitewashing is obvious. 

 

Why didn't BW put dialogue tress in that section? I wanted to call out SkyNet on its nonsense. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

Agreed.

 

Obvious whitewashing is obvious. 

 

Why didn't BW put dialogue tress in that section? I wanted to call out SkyNet on its nonsense. 

 

 

Look at this face. Would this face lie to you?

 

Okay, so it did lie to you. But would it lie to you repeatedly?

 

...

[KaiserShep]

Thinking about it, other than the dialogue of ME3's prologue, it would have to be the conversation with Kaidan/Ashley on Horizon that bugs me the most. With Garrus, you can basically tell him that you don't trust Cerberus at all and need someone who isn't a part of them to help you, and you can tell Tali that you fully expect Cerberus to turn on you, but with the VS, you can do no such thing. Even if that doesn't work, I'd like to see how the character responds. So now I just deal with that and choose the more aggressive dialogue with the VS on Mars, basically telling Kaidan to shut up.

[Isaidlunch]

Probably mentioned before, but being chummy with Joker after he got Shepard killed. In fact, he got almost everyone killed by flying directly into the beam (best pilot my ass), but unfortunately Shepard never finds out about that.

[DeinonSlayer]

Probably mentioned before, but being chummy with Joker after he got Shepard killed. In fact, he got almost everyone killed by flying directly into the beam (best pilot my ass), but unfortunately Shepard never finds out about that.

"Look at that! He's drifting lazily to the left!"

[Jorji Costava]

I know I've mentioned this before, and it's probably been mentioned upthread too (too lazy to read the rest of it), but I'd have to go with Jack's recruitment mission in ME2. So we're going to release every prisoner in a maximum security prison in order to recruit a murderous sociopath of questionable utility to the mission? From a cost-benefit point of view, that sounds like a losing proposition. Why is this mission mandatory again?

 

Also, as far as examples of story/gameplay segregation go, Jack's introductory cutscene is particularly egregious. I always get a little chuckle out of watching her take out two LOKI mechs knowing that in actual gameplay terms, she's hopeless against one of the things.

[themikefest]

Probably mentioned before, but being chummy with Joker after he got Shepard killed. In fact, he got almost everyone killed by flying directly into the beam (best pilot my ass), but unfortunately Shepard never finds out about that.

Joker: "Brace yourself for evasive maneuvers"

[KaiserShep]

I can't say we can really hold it against Joker if all we have is rough animation of a spaceship trying to dodge another ship's particle beam.

[von uber]

You can though for disobeying a direct order to abandon ship.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Calling the Illusive Man's plans crazy, when his own plan (banking on the Crucible) is arguably even more crazy.

[wolfhowwl]

 

Brilliant!

[Andrew Lucas]

The Crucible is the last hope,without it we are finished anyway so anything that might win the war deserves a try.

[KaiserShep]

I know I've mentioned this before, and it's probably been mentioned upthread too (too lazy to read the rest of it), but I'd have to go with Jack's recruitment mission in ME2. So we're going to release every prisoner in a maximum security prison in order to recruit a murderous sociopath of questionable utility to the mission? From a cost-benefit point of view, that sounds like a losing proposition. Why is this mission mandatory again?

 

Considering Jack's background, I always assumed that Jack was added to the list of dossiers specifically because she was a Cerberus asset, and it was likely he wanted to have her back. As for releasing the prisoners, to be fair, none of that would have been necessary at all if the warden kept up his end of the bargain and simply let Shepard take Jack and leave.

[Invisible Man]

as for that "prison ship", it wouldn't surprise me if half of the captives that moved through there were either, innocent victims (from the blue sun's acts of piracy), or simply people they wanted out of the way. (ie: not criminals at all.)

[s_legion00]

In me1:
Being stupid when talking to wrex and liara ("asari can mate with each other!" And "the genophage is the same as what the turians did to the humans"
In me2:
Not surrendering his weapon on purgatory (there is no reason why he shouldn't surrender his weapon)
Not saying thanks to feron even when he recovered his dead body
Cerberus railroading( I mean I get why he stuck with them but still)

In me3:
Not scolding james for destroying the shuttle
Losing sleep over a ****** kid!
Not killing the dalatrass
Not punching the asari counciler for hiding useful info

[DeinonSlayer]

In me1:
Being stupid when talking to wrex and liara ("asari can mate with each other!" And "the genophage is the same as what the turians did to the humans"

Add to that list how we're railroaded into either thumbing our noses at the Quarians' present situation or making excuses for the extermination of her people.

Killing the dalatrass is stupider, even, than punching Gerrel.

[General TSAR]

Not surrendering his weapon on purgatory (there is no reason why he shouldn't surrender his weapon)

The infamous Cmdr Shepard who has pissed off many people in high places shouldn't surrender his weapons on a prison colony ship operated by the avaricious Blue Suns mercenaries?

[KaiserShep]

In me1:
Being stupid when talking to wrex and liara ("asari can mate with each other!" And "the genophage is the same as what the turians did to the humans"
In me2:
Not surrendering his weapon on purgatory (there is no reason why he shouldn't surrender his weapon)
Not saying thanks to feron even when he recovered his dead body
Cerberus railroading( I mean I get why he stuck with them but still)

In me3:
Not scolding james for destroying the shuttle
Losing sleep over a ****** kid!
Not killing the dalatrass
Not punching the asari counciler for hiding useful info

 

The thing with Wrex bothers me, mainly because Shepard says the same thing no matter what option you choose, but I don't think the Liara one counts, because you can at least avoid that one (the paraphrase looks clear enough).

 

Kuril and the rest of his Blue Suns henchmen have no authority over Shepard, not to mention that they are on a ship full of dangerous inmates. Shepard has absolutely no reason to surrender them, and any Shepard that does would be absolutely stupid. The ERCS goons at Noveria couldn't get compliance, so what chance would they have?

 

I don't really see the point of thanking Feron. We don't even thank TIM for funding the initiative to bring Shepard back to life either, though he wouldn't do it for Shepard's benefit anyway.

 

How many conversations should Shepard have with James about the shuttle collision? I'm kind of curious as to what would have happened if James used the weapons on the Kodiak instead. It would've been funny to see the Cerberus shuttle explode, thus making the data impossible to salvage, and the mission is a failure.

 

Kill the Dalatrass....when? The only time you talk to her in-person is during the summit with Victus and Wrex/Wreav. So let's say you kill the Dalatrass. Now the salarians on Surkesh make it impossible to get into the facility, you get no krogan females, no support from the krogan and thus none from Victus. Mission accomplished. Simply satiating psychoShep's bloodlust isn't a good enough reason to do it.

 

Shepard is unarmed in a room full of C-Sec. What good would punching Tevos do other than land him/her in a cell?