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[Kallimachus]

I'm pretty much a Pro-Mage player, and to me the identification with the mages and their plight comes really straight from the gut, and I suppose I have a tendency to always (or almost always) to identify with the downtrodden and the underdog. That said, I cannot disregard the fact that Mages and LGBTQ people have quite a few common hardships they face, something that makes me identify with their plight even more.

Unlike other minorities sexual minorities are not instantly recognizable by sight, they do not share a common ethnicity that is separate from their surroundings, and are often born to people who are not themselves members of that minority. They usually spend their childhood not suspecting they are different from anyone else, and only later on discover their own difference. Both mages and LGBTQ people have to do some sort of "coming out" to their family and their surrounding, fearing and often receiving rejection from one or both. Both need to face with hostilities from major religious organizations, that constantly make the point that they are somehow unwanted by their god. Both are constantly described as a thread to social order and even civilization itself.

I could come up with more similarities, but I think I made my point

I always was under the assumption that all LGBTQ people felt the same way (not something conscious, mind you, just a general feeling), but then I thought, am I right about this? Are ALL LGBTQ people REALLY Pro-Mage? No non-heterosexual supports the fighters-in-skirts-and-shiny-armour? So I put it to you, who do you identify with (and I don't just mean support - rational reasoning are well and fine, but I'm more interested in the emotional response here), templar or mages? And feel free to elaborate!

 

 

PS - but please don't let this become a hostile discussion as it tends to become on the general fora.

[Xilizhra]

It might be me, but I suspect there's a strong correlation between pro-templar and being either hostile or indifferent to romance equality in games. I think the only person who's pro-templar and neither is Ryzaki.

[Kallimachus]

So, are you saying there's something inherently romantic about the mages' struggle? I guess I can see that.

[The Uncanny]

It always seemed to break down into a simple freedom/control binary opposition to me.

 

Which I know is an oversimplification. But at the core, I think so.

 

Personally my perspective probably chimes more with Isabela's than anyone else. Whilst I'm not unsympathetic on an individual basis, taken en masse the whole mage struggle thing leaves me a little cold.

[Ryzaki]

I don't see mages as a good parallel to LGBTQ people. The whole issue with the latter to me is they are people just like everyone else and yet are being treated as though they don't deserve the same rights everyone else gets.

 

Mages are people who can set people on fire with their minds. The normal limits of human ability isn't present there. There's a power imbalance there that prevents them from being like everyone else that's not present with LGBTQ people. At the end of the day we're all people, we have similar limits to speed, to social mobility, to life, to combat skills. We all have the potential to be a certain level of strong, intelligent, fast and whatnot. If a LGBTQ person gets angry I'd have the same fear as I would anyone else. If a mage gets angry I have to worry about if I have to deal with an abomination at worst. (No I'm not saying there aren't people vastly stronger/more powerful and influential than other people cause there are but those people are still bound by human limitations. They most likely rely on other humans (who can have their own thoughts ideals and clash with them) to get anything done. Whether through bribery, favors or influence.

 

Thus I do believe mages shouldn't have freedom and be treated as normal people. They aren't. That does not however mean I believe they should be trapped in the circle for eternity. Being placed there as children til they passed their harrowing and their teachers (a mixture of mages and a group other than the templars but made of non mages who are looking out for the rest of the populace) are satisfied they are not going to be a powerkeg causing unnecessary destruction and if anything traumatizing should happen they would require regular checkups while being able to freely leave as adults suits me fine.

 

And I probably explained myself terribly ah well.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 30 mars 2014 - 05:25 .

[Siansonea]

I've always had conflicted feelings toward the mage/templar struggle. I sided with the mages more often than not simply because Meredith was a b____. 

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[Deviija]

There is a storyline of oppression and abuse foisted upon Mages, and magephobia may as well be code for homophobia (you can't 'see' a mage until they prove they do magic, just like you can't 'see' a gay person by looking at them).  I can empathize with that, regardless of the finer details on each faction.  I think that's the heart of where it stems from.  

 

This has nothing to do with my personal views on the conflict.  I roleplay.  My characters are not me.  Trying to put myself or my own views inside of a choice-driven game is alien to me and weirds me out.  

[JonasTheBloodMage]

I gotta say I'm a pro Mage as well, but not a Templar hater or something, The only thing I don't like about the Templar's is that how to blame all mage's of being demon's or blood mage's. I get why Templar's have this order but it should be about killing the true blood mages and that's the tevinter imperium's magister and any other blood mage that only uses demon's for power. No one can say that a mage in innocent but also no one can say that a Templar is innocent