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[azarhal]

Well, in Dawn of the Seeker she seemed to have a grudge... Not that I can blame her.

 

Her grudge had nothing to do with magic. It was caused by her desire to avenge her brother's death. It's the same reaction some people have when they blame an entire family or race for the murder of a beloved when it was committed by a single person and start to attack them even if they didn't do anything.

 

I wonder if we'll have people complaining that Cassandra is trying to convert them or too preachy like we did with Leliana or Sebastian.

 

You can bet on it!

 

 

[LobselVith8]

She likely shares many of Lamberts views on Magic you realize? Unless if the Years have softened her much, but i doubt she approves of Blood Mage, Apostates and what have you still. That was my argument back in the Cass hates magic thread a while ago, she doesn't hate it but she like Lambert knows what it can do and what it can be and there is cautious of it and expects the worst from those who wield it.

Random Orlaisian Mage softened her a bit on in DOTS but we will see if that perspective survived until DAI or no, She has been doing the Chantry's work for two decades now after all

If the Inquisitor is a mage, wouldn't that be a source of problems?

[TheLittleBird]

So I just watched the first 22 minutes of DotS and yeah, I did not like it. Why?

Well.......

[LobselVith8]

Leliana tried to convert people?

She mentioned her God every other sentence but i don't recall her attempting to force it on the PC.

Leliana debates the point of intelligent design with Morrigan (which may address why some have that impression), while Anders overtly tries to impose his religious views on Merrill.

Sebastian is a bit more inconsistent; upon encountering the Sabrae clan, his dialogue suggests he thinks they should be converted to the Light, but when he speaks to Merrill directly about her faith, he says they may simply see the same divine force in a different light.

[Master Warder Z_]

If the Inquisitor is a mage, wouldn't that be a source of problems?

Possibly, But i doubt it unless if what the Devs said is true and companions react overly to PC action this time around, She likely would be utterly disgusted by a blood mage PC.

[renfrees]

Possibly, But i doubt it unless if what the Devs said is true and companions react overly to PC action this time around, She likely would be utterly disgusted by a blood mage PC.

I hope she is, i don't want to run into previous situation, when everybody were blissfully happy with PC, slitting his/her wrist.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Her grudge had nothing to do with magic. It was caused by her desire to avenge her brother's death. It's the same reaction some people have when they blame an entire family or race for the murder of a beloved when it was committed by a single person and start to attack them even if they didn't do anything.

A death caused by blood mages. 

[Maria Caliban]

I'm not assuming we can even play blood mages this time.

[Banxey]

I hope she is, i don't want to run into previous situation, when everybody were blissfully happy with PC, slitting his/her wrist.

 

I agree. But by the same token, I would hate to see her being manipulated into someone who would view all mages as deserving of death at the whim of the PC. Having her become a female version of Lambert seems just as ridiculous to me.

 

There was also an article a while back that (IIRC) mentioned Cassandra had been influenced a lot by Varric during their time together, so this may have impacted her views on how mages are treated by society. 

[TheLittleBird]

I'm not assuming we can even play blood mages this time.

 

Well, I thought it was confirmed we can.

[MisterJB]

People aren't very good at distinguishing the two it seems.

 

At least as far as quasi-christian religions go.  No one seems to think Merrill is preachy, despite her telling the protagonist a few parables.

Worse, in fact. I remember this conversation where Sebastian tries to be reasonable and claim that humans and elves worship the same god, only by different names, and Merril all but flat out tells him he is wrong and only the elven tennets are correct.

 

Can you imagine if an Andrastian character had said something like this?

[LobselVith8]

Worse, in fact. I remember this conversation where Sebastian tries to be reasonable and claim that humans and elves worship the same god, only by different names, and Merril all but flat out tells him he is wrong and only the elven tennets are correct.

Can you imagine if an Andrastian character had said something like this?

Merrill tells Sebastian that the Creators want the Dalish to be elves, so it's not the same thing. Merrill doesn't say Sebastian's faith is wrong, just that her faith isn't the same as his.

[MisterJB]

If one analyzes only the superficial aspects of the two religions, they are both mutually exclusive. The Creators want the elves to "be elves" which means separated from humans and their culture before they agree to return while the Maker wants the Chant to be spread to all the corners of the land before he agrees to return.

Sebastian attempted to reconcile this by pointing out the similarities; that is, gods who won't return until their followers accomplished something; and claiming that perhaps they may be the same god and that the two religions are missing something about what he really wants.

 

Merril refused to accept this by clinging to the elven vision of the Creators and what they wish. She directly instigated division and conflict between the two religious groups; not in an harmful way, certainly, but she did by refusing to accept the possibility that they are the same god(division) and by clinging to the old dogmas that pit humans against elves since one groups wants to convert all while the other wishes to avoid this (conflict).

 

Not her finest moment.

[LobselVith8]

If one analyzes only the superficial aspects of the two religions, they are both mutually exclusive. The Creators want the elves to "be elves" which means separated from humans and their culture before they agree to return while the Maker wants the Chant to be spread to all the corners of the land before he agrees to return.

It's about being true to their heritage and culture; contact with humanity doesn't have anything to do with it.

Sebastian attempted to reconcile this by pointing out the similarities; that is, gods who won't return until their followers accomplished something; and claiming that perhaps they may be the same god and that the two religions are missing something about what he really wants.

Which blatantly ignores all the nuances details about the Creators, their view on magic, and the paths they can walk according to Andruil or Sylaise, two of their respective Creators: The Vir Tanadhal, The Way of Three Trees, and The Vir Atish'an, The Way of Peace.

Merril refused to accept this by clinging to the elven vision of the Creators and what they wish. She directly instigated division and conflict between the two religious groups; not in an harmful way, certainly, but she did by refusing to accept the possibility that they are the same god(division) and by clinging to the old dogmas that pit humans against elves since one groups wants to convert all while the other wishes to avoid this (conflict).

Not her finest moment.

I find it ludicrous that you think a religion is interchangeable with another because of a few similarities. It's a complex faith with it's own nuances, not a car that needs spare parts.

As for this, Merrill is right: the two faiths aren't interchangeable. Being elven and following the Creators simply isn't the same as following the Maker, and it's incredibly disingenuous of you to suggest otherwise.

[Master Warder Z_]

I'm still of the mind there is the way of the wood cutter too

[MisterJB]

It's about being true to their heritage and culture; contact with humanity doesn't have anything to do with it.

It does when humans believe that all must follow Andrastianism.

The relation between the two religions is what is being discussed here.

Which blatantly ignores all the nuances details about the Creators, their view on magic, and the paths they can walk according to Andruil or Sylaise, two of their respective Creators: The Vir Tanadhal, The Way of Three Trees, and The Vir Atish'an, The Way of Peace.
Sebastian did not speak about faith, he spoke about a divine being. The admittance of the possibility of the existence of only one god does not negate the existence of different religions that worship it in different manners.

I find it ludicrous that you think a religion is interchangeable with another because of a few similarities. It's a complex faith with it's own nuances, not a car that needs spare parts.

As for this, Merrill is right: the two faiths aren't interchangeable. Being elven and following the Creators simply isn't the same as following the Maker, and it's incredibly disingenuous of you to suggest otherwise.

 

I am not suggesting anything. I am affirming that Sebastian attempted to be the peace maker who acknowledges the validity of both human and elven religion while Merril took an antagonistic position that refused to contemplate the Divine Being as anything but how elves depict it.

Quite frankly "The Maker wants you to be elves?" is a pretty damn offensive thing to say and had the roles been reversed, Sebastian would have been acused of zealotry and intolerance.

 

[Xilizhra]

People aren't very good at distinguishing the two it seems.

 

At least as far as quasi-christian religions go.  No one seems to think Merrill is preachy, despite her telling the protagonist a few parables.

The elvhen religion has never tried to convert humans. And Sebastian does preach, albeit not quite as often as some might say; at the very least, he speaks condescendingly to people more than once (usually Anders).

 

 

If one analyzes only the superficial aspects of the two religions, they are both mutually exclusive. The Creators want the elves to "be elves" which means separated from humans and their culture before they agree to return while the Maker wants the Chant to be spread to all the corners of the land before he agrees to return.

Sebastian attempted to reconcile this by pointing out the similarities; that is, gods who won't return until their followers accomplished something; and claiming that perhaps they may be the same god and that the two religions are missing something about what he really wants.

 

Merril refused to accept this by clinging to the elven vision of the Creators and what they wish. She directly instigated division and conflict between the two religious groups; not in an harmful way, certainly, but she did by refusing to accept the possibility that they are the same god(division) and by clinging to the old dogmas that pit humans against elves since one groups wants to convert all while the other wishes to avoid this (conflict).

 

Not her finest moment.

It's kind of like saying to a medieval Christian "Jesus and Buddha were calling on the same divine power." Expecting immediate positive results would be silly.

 

Quite frankly "The Maker wants you to be elves?" is a pretty damn offensive thing to say and had the roles been reversed, Sebastian would have been acused of zealotry and intolerance.

Er, how?

[Master Warder Z_]

This reminds me of the Judea-Christianity belief that translates between both Christianity and Judaism as both Gods are acknowledged as the same. (sometimes)

[LobselVith8]

It does when humans believe that all must follow Andrastianism.
The relation between the two religions is what is being discussed here.

They aren't the same; it's not a difficult concept to grasp. Bringing up a few similarities, and ignoring all the myriad of differences that irrevocably mark the two as different, isn't helping your argument.

Sebastian did not speak about faith, he spoke about a divine being. The admittance of the possibility of the existence of only one god does not negate the existence of different religions that worship it in different manners.

Postulating about the truth of the universe doesn't mean that there's a singular deity that is worshipped in different ways. I don't see why reason why Merrill should discard her beliefs simply because Sebastian posed a question that their two religions follow the same intelligent design that created the universe.

I am not suggesting anything. I am affirming that Sebastian attempted to be the peace maker who acknowledges the validity of both human and elven religion while Merril took an antagonistic position that refused to contemplate the Divine Being as anything but how elves depict it.
Quite frankly "The Maker wants you to be elves?" is a pretty damn offensive thing to say and had the roles been reversed, Sebastian would have been acused of zealotry and intolerance.

It's not offensive, it's the simple truth. They aren't the same. The differences between the Andrastian faith and the elven pantheon are quite sufficient. Andraste's relationship with the Maker is quite different than the multitude of the Creators who are followed by the Dalish.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Amazing how we are discussing the Dalish on a Cassandra thread. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Amazing how we are discussing the Dalish on a Cassandra thread. 

 

Isn't it?
 

 

Poor Cass, she deserves better.

 

Like to settle down and have a few mini inquizzies

[Divine Justinia V]

Amazing how we are discussing the Dalish on a Cassandra thread. 

 

It never ends

[Xilizhra]

Isn't it?
 

 

Poor Cass, she deserves better.

 

Like to settle down and have a few mini inquizzies

It seems improbable that futanari will be in Inquisition.

[Master Warder Z_]

It seems improbable that futanari will be in Inquisition.

 

._.

 

Did you deliberately misconstrue that?

[Xilizhra]

._.

 

Did you deliberately misconstrue that?

Well, it'd be necessary if I wound up romancing Cassandra, after all.