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[Qun00]

People around here are way too oversensitive.

There is a difference between addressing negative points and actual character bashing.

In fact, I don't blame Cassandra but the writers.

And truth be told, this story is all about the mages. The templars are secondary and their relevance mostly comes from the big dilemma of how the mages should or shouldn't be treated, yadda yadda.

[AresKeith]

People over here are way too oversensitive. There is a difference between addressing negative points and a tual character bashing.

In fact, I don't blame Cassandra but the writers.

And truth be told, this story is all about the mages. The templars are secondary and their relevance mostly comes from the big dilemma of how the mages should or shouldn't be treated, yadda yadda.

 

How is that being oversensitive when it points to mages being stupid over Cassandra being a failure as a Divine? Doesn't it also say that those get resolved if she has the Inquisition support

[Merela]

 

Source: http://v-impaler.dev...eeker-508396177

[thesuperdarkone2]

How is that being oversensitive when it points to mages being stupid over Cassandra being a failure as a Divine? Doesn't it also say that those get resolved if she has the Inquisition support

It only says that the rival sects of people opposing her reforms gets dealt with through diplomacy. Cass has no problem if the mages refuse to go back to the circles and apparently does nothing to get them back.

[Qun00]

How is that being oversensitive when it points to mages being stupid over Cassandra being a failure as a Divine? Doesn't it also say that those get resolved if she has the Inquisition support

Point taken, but still... it's her responsability. I just don't like how things go fine with the other two Divine candidates but not Cassandra.

Vivienne? She ensures order by being the mage Nazi she is and ruling like a tyrant.

Leliana? It's either senseless bloodshed or Disney magic, but things still work out.

The only thing that goes right for Cassandra is how she deals with templars, as well as rebuilding the Seekers to keep them in check.

No, it doesn't really. The wiki only mentions the Inquisition's overall acceptance in Thedas.

[MisterJB]

That's because you are not supposed to side with the mages.

[thesuperdarkone2]

That's because you are not supposed to side with the templars

Fixed for reality. From an RP perspective, which is more urgent? Save the mages who politely invited you to Redcliffe from a hostile foreign power on your doorstep who Dorian says is using time magic to stop you and whose magic is spreading and could potentially be a danger vs. the templars who essentially told you to f off and who are currently sitting around doing nothing with you hoping not all templars are douchebags. Seems like siding with the mages makes more sense.

[AresKeith]

Point taken, but still... it's her responsability. I just don't like how things go fine with the other two Divine candidates but not Cassandra.

Vivienne? She ensures order by being the mage Nazi she is and ruling like a tyrant.

Leliana? It's either senseless bloodshed or Disney magic, but things still work out.

The only thing that goes right for Cassandra is how she deals with templars, as well as rebuilding the Seekers to keep them in check.

No, it doesn't really. The wiki only mentions the Inquisition's overall acceptance in Thedas.

 

Hardened Leliana's Senseless bloodshed isn't things going fine, and the radical changes softened Leliana does is gonna get some resistance too

 

The fact that Vivienne rules like a tyrant is also gonna get resistance 

[Steelcan]

Fixed for reality. From an RP perspective, which is more urgent? Save the mages who politely invited you to Redcliffe from a hostile foreign power on your doorstep who Dorian says is using time magic to stop you and whose magic is spreading and could potentially be a danger vs. the templars who essentially told you to f off and who are currently sitting around doing nothing with you hoping not all templars are douchebags. Seems like siding with the mages makes more sense.

Or side step the obvious trap and instead investigate the oddities surrounding the Order currently

[MisterJB]

Fixed for reality. From an RP perspective, which is more urgent? Save the mages who politely invited you to Redcliffe from a hostile foreign power on your doorstep who Dorian says is using time magic to stop you and whose magic is spreading and could potentially be a danger vs. the templars who essentially told you to f off and who are currently sitting around doing nothing with you hoping not all templars are douchebags. Seems like siding with the mages makes more sense.

Look at you, all bothered by it.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Or side step the obvious trap and instead investigate the oddities surrounding the Order currently

What trap? Fiona's invitation has no sense of being a trap unless you immediately assume anything given by a mage is bad. Also, you have no idea anything is wrong with the Order unless you side with them. The initial attempt to get the Templars is to convince the Order to help seal the breach, not find out what is wrong with them. 

[Steelcan]

What trap? Fiona's invitation has no sense of being a trap unless you immediately assume anything given by a mage is bad. Also, you have no idea anything is wrong with the Order unless you side with them. The initial attempt to get the Templars is to convince the Order to help seal the breach, not find out what is wrong with them. 

Before committing to going to Redcliffe you get a message that your advisers tell you is an obvious trap, you can then decide to go get the Templars instead

 

And yes, Cassandra mentions finding out about why the Templars are acting so strangely

[Retconnaissance]

What trap? Fiona's invitation has no sense of being a trap unless you immediately assume anything given by a mage is bad. Also, you have no idea anything is wrong with the Order unless you side with them. The initial attempt to get the Templars is to convince the Order to help seal the breach, not find out what is wrong with them. 

But the invitation from Alexius is an obvious trap, so it's a good idea to grab tempars and go wreck the whole place with Vints and mages alike. Doesn't turn out quite like that, but initially makes sense.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Before committing to going to Redcliffe you get a message that your advisers tell you is an obvious trap, you can then decide to go get the Templars instead

 

And yes, Cassandra mentions finding out about why the Templars are acting so strangely

Problem is that if you were planning on getting the templars to save the mages, your advisors outright shoot that idea down. When you get the briefing for "In Hushed Whispers" choose the "Lets get the Templars" option and the Inquisitor outright says get the Templars to get the mages and your advisors completely shut that down and say the Venatori are mobilizing for war and that by the time you get the Templars the mages will be long gone. So your advisors outright say the Venatori are planning to attack something. Does that really seem like something to avoid?

[Cespar]

Fixed for reality. From an RP perspective, which is more urgent? Save the mages who politely invited you to Redcliffe from a hostile foreign power on your doorstep who Dorian says is using time magic to stop you and whose magic is spreading and could potentially be a danger vs. the templars who essentially told you to f off and who are currently sitting around doing nothing with you hoping not all templars are douchebags. Seems like siding with the mages makes more sense.

I did side with the mages, but I conscripted all of them. They had to make up for their mistakes, since they were the ones who allied with the hostile foreign power, if you remember that part. 

[Br3admax]

Note says go to the Chantry. Guess I better go then. Someone did already take the time to write it down.

[thesuperdarkone2]

But the invitation from Alexius is an obvious trap, so it's a good idea to grab tempars and go wreck the whole place with Vints and mages alike. Doesn't turn out quite like that, but initially makes sense.

Except the Inquisitor can outright suggest that if you choose the "Lets get the Templars" option during the In Hushed Whispers briefing and outright say the Venatori are mobilizing to attack something and that by the time you get the Templars, the mages will be long gone. So not only does the game tell you that option won't work, but it says the Venatori are planning to attack something. Does that really sound like something you should ignore?

[Steelcan]

Except the Inquisitor can outright suggest that if you choose the "Lets get the Templars" option during the In Hushed Whispers briefing and outright say the Venatori are mobilizing to attack something and that by the time you get the Templars, the mages will be long gone. So not only does the game tell you that option won't work, but it says the Venatori are planning to attack something. Does that really sound like something you should ignore?

its easy to rationalize the decision as "well then we can meet them with templars"

 

or "Leliana might be wrong"

 

there are plenty of reasons that getting the templars can make sense, you just don't want it to because it doesn't fit your ideas of what is best

[Merela]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[o Ventus]

Do I also need to finish "Unfinished Business" in order to start a romance with Cassandra? This is frustratingly tedious that you have to finish every single companion quest for her before you can start a romance.

 

 

You don't. Unfinished Business is there so you can get her approval higher to begin the romance, but it doesn't need to be completed. You only have to finish Promise of Destruction (which is unlocked by meeting Hawke and Loghain/Alistair/Stroud in Crestwood for Here Lies the Abyss).

[Shadow Quickpaw]

I can't exactly remember... But did Varric ever say he DIDN'T know where Hawke was, or COULDN'T get in touch with him during his interrogation? Sure he was evasive, but he had just been captured by the ONE organization Hawke and his family had been running from their entire lives. To the best of my knowledge what he actually said was: "Is that what this is about? In that case, I wish I could help you."

[Qun00]

Hardened Leliana's Senseless bloodshed isn't things going fine, and the radical changes softened Leliana does is gonna get some resistance too
 
The fact that Vivienne rules like a tyrant is also gonna get resistance

That's the point. "Will". "Gonna".

The ending itself works out well.

[Vita Brevis]

The ending itself works out well. 

Not for Vivienne. At least, not always.

[Boost32]

Not for Vivienne. At least, not always.

It doesnt always work for all Divines. If you dont do the Leliana quest, she sucks being Divine, and Cassandra without the Seekers and low approval with the Inquisitor is bad too.