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#25876
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I just bought Dragon Age Inquisition. I'm straight. The only two romance options for me are of Cassandra & Josephine, they both look like men. 
 
In Dragon Age Origins I romanced Leiliana & Morrigan, in DA2 I romanced Isabella and in mass effect I romanced Liara.  All I want in DAI is a female romance option that looks female and not like a man.
This was my original post which should not of been locked. I wasn't being rude or mean.
http://forum.bioware...-look-like-men/
Other posts that should not of been locked that could of helped me:
http://forum.bioware...-and-josephine/
http://forum.bioware...ook-like-women/
http://forum.bioware...anions-so-ugly/
http://forum.bioware...ir-player-base/
http://forum.bioware...in-dai-so-ugly/
http://forum.bioware...nes-appearance/
http://forum.bioware...romance-option/
http://forum.bioware...-of-companions/


They've been locked because those topics never end well. And now you're spamming. While I can at least comprehend people saying Cass "looks like a man", your assertion that Josephine does as well makes me wonder if you've ever seen a real woman before.

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It's funny, because Miranda has an actual personality, but the people who dismiss her because "durr I dun leik her clothes" and "durr daddy issues!" (people should look up what that term means before just throwing it around).

 

 

Ok my bad, let me correct myself then.

 

Miranda has a personality. But it pales in comparison to a wet noodle, and if I hear her say "Ye pistol" one more time, I might jump out of another ship onto a nearby planet.

 

XD :lol: Better? :P

 

edit: Daddy issues, issues with daddy. What am I missing here, lol.



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Ok my bad, let me correct myself then.

 

 

Miranda has a personality. But it pales in comparison to a wet noodle, and if I hear her say "Ye pistol" one more time, I might jump out of another ship onto a nearby planet.

 

Why is it that 95% of people are capable of actually discussing a character in an actual debating manner while the other 5% only know how to make jokes? And I say 'jokes' very loosely, because while it may technically be comedy, it's painfully unfunny to anyone with even a modicum of knowledge on whatever the subject is.

 

 

 

edit: Daddy issues, issues with daddy. What am I missing here, lol.

 

You're missing the entire meaning of the phrase. 'Daddy issues' (ignoring that this is an inconceivably retarded term) implies that a woman goes out of her way to get attention from guys (typically sexually) because she was either abused or neglected by her father. While Miranda was certainly neglected and (emotionally) abused by her father, she never dealt with it by being a sl*t.



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Why is it that 95% of people are capable of actually discussing a character in an actual debating manner while the other 5% only know how to make jokes? And I say 'jokes' very loosely, because while it may technically be comedy, it's painfully unfunny to anyone with even a modicum of knowledge on whatever the subject is.

 

You're missing the entire meaning of the phrase. 'Daddy issues' (ignoring that this is an inconceivably retarded term) implies that a woman goes out of her way to get attention from guys (typically sexually) because she was either abused or neglected by her father. While Miranda was certainly neglected and (emotionally) abused by her father, she never dealt with it by being a sl*t.

Oho, I'm not trying to be funny, I'm dead serious. Her personality is flat as hell, and her boobs don't make up for it in my book.

 

And I really don't care what the term was meant for originally, people use it now when describing tropes, and her trope of "pity me, my dad was a huge *******" takes up a huge part of her story, even to the point of being her focus in ME 3. And I couldn't care less, even if it does relate to Cerberus.

 

I don't like obvious attempts at making me like someone, and she had "straight male waifu" written all over her. No thanks.



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Ok my bad, let me correct myself then.

 

Miranda has a personality. But it pales in comparison to a wet noodle, and if I hear her say "Ye pistol" one more time, I might jump out of another ship onto a nearby planet.

 

XD :lol: Better? :P

 

edit: Daddy issues, issues with daddy. What am I missing here, lol.

You actually have to take in Miranda's background. She has never had a "normal" life, and always had to be more for either her dad or Cerberus. Her personal reflects that view, which seems all businesslike, and no time for the small talk. Miranda loves the flaws that she has, because it almost makes her feel "normal," and not just some perfect enhance person. 

 

She wants more for sister, which almost makes her seem mother-like. Miranda may not be the nicest person out there, but she isn't some generic character that deserves to be compared to a wet noodle. 



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Oh I don't care about nice, clearly as Jack was the biggest ****** in that lineup and I love her to death.

 

The background I do get, I just personally didn't care about it. I didn't care much for Kaiden's either. He's okay I guess... eh. I only let him live later because Mass effect 3 ashley pissed me off. So I preserved her badassery in sacrifice.

 

Unfortunately that no time for smalltalk thing initially made her rather bland to me, as did the way she spoke, and when she did open up, it was... underwhelming.



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Oho, I'm not trying to be funny, I'm dead serious. Her personality is flat as hell, and her boobs don't make up for it in my book.

 

Her personality is only flat when you don't take any time to speak to her (which is the case with literally everybody). Congratulations, your point was meaningless.

 

 

And I really don't care what the term was meant for originally, people use it now when describing tropes, and her trope of "pity me, my dad was a huge *******" takes up a huge part of her story, even to the point of being her focus in ME 3.

 

That's not its original meaning, that what it means NOW (which, I guess would still make it the original meaning, but it's still the denotation of the f**king phrase).

 

And I couldn't care less, even if it does relate to Cerberus.

 

You care enough to regurgitate it every single time Miranda is mentioned.

 

I don't like obvious attempts at making me like someone, and she had "straight male waifu" written all over her. No thanks.

 

I'm not trying to make anybody like anybody else, but thanks for telling me my intentions. I never would have figured out what I was doing on my own.

 

And yeah, she has 'waifu' written in big bold letters, to the point where she completely dismisses you during her first meeting and spends the first 2/3 of the romance trying to stay out of it and keep it professional. Like a waifu would do, you know.

 

You sure do have an issue with taking words and terms, and totally ignoring what they mean. 'Daddy issues' is a sexual pejorative and a fancier way to call a woman a sl*t, and a 'waifu' (whoever coined that term should be shot and killed) wouldn't go out of her way to say 'no, I don't think hooking up is a good idea', on top of behaving like a bit of a b**ch during their first meeting.



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SNIP

There is so much butthurt in this post, lol. I think you should just get over the fact that not everyone is into your chosen waifu, and that I find her as exciting as a rusty screwdriver. Daddy issues (yes I used it again. I just love ignoring definitions), tight fitting outfits meant to attract teenagers and not much else does not an interesting character make for me.

 

And I was referring to the outfit and her "help me, Shephard" attitude later. Seriously, Breadmax said it best when he said she seems to just love you from the power of Shephard's junk in ME 3. It was annoying and she spat out the same daddy crap from the previous game. Seriously, I'm trying to save the galaxy, I don't have time for your BS.



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I'm not trying to make anybody like anybody else, but thanks for telling me my intentions. I never would have figured out what I was doing on my own.

I was talking about her stripper outfit and the devs.



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There is so much butthurt in this post, lol. I think you should just get over the fact that not everyone is into your chosen waifu, and that I find her as exciting as a rusty screwdriver.

 

I don't care that you don't like Miranda, I care that your reasoning is nonsensical and stupid. You admit to not liking the first impression she gives you and that you didn't talk to her very much, so you don't find her interesting.

 

Surprise, when you don't talk to somebody, you end up not being familiar with their personality, thus they seem boring. Add on the fact that you didn't like the first impression, and even if she was interesting, your view would still be biased because of the initial dislike. That this is evidently evading you somehow is blowing my mind.

 

Daddy issues (yes I used it again. I just love ignoring definitions), tight fitting outfits meant to attract teenagers and not much else does not an interesting character make for me.

 

I always love it when someone says "because teenagers" or "because horny kids", completely and totally ignoring the literary and artistic origins of why a character would appear a certain way. I've already mentioned before that Miranda is an inversion of the femme fatale commonly seen in classic noir, where (a basic, rough outline) a female character would attempt to seduce the protagonist, only to later betray him in the revelation that she was working for the antagonist of the story (or was the antagonist herself). Femme fatale's are commonly depicted as sexy, because that's the entire point. Her romance arc is even reminiscent of a femme fatale's, with the exception that the protagonist is the one initiating the relationship. The inversion comes from the fact that she ends up betraying the antagonist at the end (she tells the Illusive Man to go f**k himself when he orders Miranda to stop Shepard from destroying the Collector base), and that Shepard is the one who begins the romance.

 

But please, tell me how they only did it to appease teenagers. You'll probably agree that they made DefaultShep's face after that of a male model's to attract women in the 18-35 demographic, and totally not because he represents the heroic ideal (and his gruff look contributes to Shepard being a soldier in the Navy).

 

 

And I was referring to the outfit and her "help me, Shephard" attitude later.

 

In ME2 or ME3? If you're referring to ME2, she doesn't have a 'help me, Shepard' attitude, she simply asks for Shepard's help on a mission. It isn't like she's an impotent damsel unable to act on her own. She still does her job and functions perfectly normal regardless of whether or not her loyalty mission is undertaken.

 

If you mean ME3, then you're flat-out wrong, because not is SHEPARD the one who offers to help her, but she rejects his help.

 

Seriously, Breadmax said it best when he said she seems to just love you from the power of Shephard's junk in ME 3.

 

This statement is so devoid of meaning and context that it may as well be a non-sequitur.

 

It was annoying and she spat out the same daddy crap from the previous game. Seriously, I'm trying to save the galaxy, I don't have time for your BS.

 

In what way is this a problem with Miranda's character, and not a problem with the fact the ME games are RPGs? Her loyalty mission in ME2 is a side mission. Side missions are, by definition, irrelevant and detached from the main plot. In ME3, Miranda is practically a non-factor in the mission where she appears. It concludes in the same exact fashion regardless of whether or not she's even there.


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First of all, I didn't say that I didn't talk to her much, I've gone through her entire romance several times. Second of all, I could care less if you think my reasoning is stupid, the butthurt over someone finding your waifu bland is evident, lol.

 

And yea, there's no way in hell you're going to convince anyone with common sense that the primary reason she's dressed like a common stripper isn't to attract young little boys that play games. I guess her ass taking up most of the screen is coincidence. Artistic integrity my ass. Or hers.

 

She may turn down the help, but it seems like a last minute decision to me. Why'd she even bother giving me an update on her pointless crap. I know it's because we're "friends" and she thinks I'll care. I don't. Lol, I really don't. A side mission irrelevance is one thing. It persisting through her whole entire role in the next game is a whole different story. She could have been left out entirely and not much would have been lost in ME 3. Besides my eyes rolling.



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After mass effect 2 and when she leaves Cerberus, she is completely and utterly irrelevant. So much that it's almost painful. I can understand that with a dlc character like kasumi, but Miranda... no. And actually, Kasumi might've been more relevant...

 

She just happened to be chasing someone involved with sanctuary, and that person just happened to be her father. It all felt rather forced, just to give her an excuse to be in the game again. ZZZZZ



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Her personality is only flat when you don't take any time to speak to her (which is the case with literally everybody). Congratulations, your point was meaningless.

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I'm not trying to make anybody like anybody else, but thanks for telling me my intentions. I never would have figured out what I was doing on my own.

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'waifu' (whoever coined that term should be shot and killed)

 

Hey, relax... Colonel says a few bits and pieces and you jump right at it? That's almost too easy. ;)

About the second bit, I don't think he meant you, he rather meant Miranda is intentionally written to be liked. And to be honest, she felt like that to me, too. I appreciate BW's attempt to create strong, badass female characters. Just with Miranda they failed miserably. She so frequently points out how she is all normal despite being terribly superior to everybody else that I usually went to get a cup of coffee when triggering her conversations, so she'd have reached the relevant information by the time I came back. Either that's very bad fishing for compliments or she has some serious instabilities I really do not want to be bothered with. Sure, it's all a matter of taste, maybe you like that little-helpless-girl thingy. But to me it was just the cliche of a woman, not actually the representation of a human being. I always felt that Miranda was either written by a man pretending to understand women or a woman writing what she thinks men want.

Anyway, you may still like her and all, but maybe not everybody shares your taste in women. But, hey, look on the bright side - you got her all to yourself.

 

Btw, what's bad about "waifu"? It's a pretty clear judgement (whether you attribute it to Miranda or not).


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I love you guys, you know that? 

 

Making popcorn my main staple. 


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I love you guys, you know that? 

 

Making popcorn my main staple. 

 

Here's a big gulp to go with that, my good sir:

 

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Here's a big gulp to go with that, my good sir:

 

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Yeah, seeing that now I must admit you did a really good job at making your inquisitor resemble you.


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Yeah, seeing that now I must admit you did a really good job at making your inquisitor resemble you.

Shots fired!  :whistle:



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Yeah, seeing that now I must admit you did a really good job at making your inquisitor resemble you.

 

 

Shots fired!  :whistle:

 

LOL she can't even lie, my inquisitor is fine as ****, lol. :P And bearded like me ;)


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LOL she can't even lie, my inquisitor is fine as ****, lol. :P And bearded like me ;)

 

That dodge was beautifully done. I appreciate the effort, so I will let you scrape through this time.



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That dodge was beautifully done. I appreciate the effort, so I will let you scrape through this time.

LOL thank you for your great mercy, ma vhenan :P

 

 

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HOLY ****, GOING ON THE WALL OF CASS NAOW.


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Btw, what's bad about "waifu"? It's a pretty clear judgement (whether you attribute it to Miranda or not).

I just hate the way it sounds.

 

Some people hate 'moist', I hate 'waifu'.



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I hate the majority of those weeaboo terms tbh. That's exactly why I used it though :P



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After mass effect 2 and when she leaves Cerberus, she is completely and utterly irrelevant. So much that it's almost painful. I can understand that with a dlc character like kasumi, but Miranda... no. And actually, Kasumi might've been more relevant...

 

She just happened to be chasing someone involved with sanctuary, and that person just happened to be her father. It all felt rather forced, just to give her an excuse to be in the game again. ZZZZZ

This I can get behind and agree with.

 

It's like the writers were out of ideas with what to do with Miranda, so they just repeated her loyalty mission and changed a few details in the hopes people wouldn't notice.

 

Jay Watadumbname [Watamaniuk] (the guy who wrote her in ME3) really should have just stayed gone. About the only parts he did that weren't either stupid or actively bad were the hang-out dialogues in the Citadel DLC. And even then, the quality between those and the segments in the main game is astounding, so it may not have even been him to wrote the Citadel DLC parts.



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This I can get behind and agree with.

 

It's like the writers were out of ideas with what to do with Miranda, so they just repeated her loyalty mission and changed a few details in the hopes people wouldn't notice.

I think they wanted to concentrate on Garrus and Liara or something. Everyone else seemed to get shafted. Especially people who romanced Jacob and Thane.... ooh... man.