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I don't understand, are there people really getting worked up over a mod that makes Cassandra bisexual? I imagine there are people who would like to have a female Inquisitor have a loving relationship with Cassandra.
Does it really detract anything from Cassandra's character? She would still a romantic who would love to have a candle-light date with flowers and poetry. Does it matter if it's a man or lady reading the poetry to her?
I don't understand, are there people really getting worked up over a mod that makes Cassandra bisexual? I imagine there are people who would like to have a female Inquisitor have a loving relationship with Cassandra.
Does it really detract anything from Cassandra's character? She would still a romantic who would love to have a candle-light date with flowers and poetry. Does it matter if it's a man or lady reading the poetry to her?
Well, Cass herself explains to the Fem!Inquisitor she's not into women. So, in the absolute? Yes, it detracts her character.
Cassandra Lin Beifong reference
Well, Cass herself explains to the Fem!Inquisitor she's not into women. So, in the absolute? Yes, it detracts her character.
But imagine if she was into men and women. Would it really change anything about her or her romance arc?
But imagine if she was into men and women. Would it really change anything about her or her romance arc?
Except she's not. That's the point.
But imagine if she was into men and women equally. Would it really change anything about her or her romance arc?
The point is changing her sexuality when she states that she's into men is wrong, there would be an even bigger mess if this was done to Dorian and Sera
The point is changing her sexuality when she states that she's into men is wrong, there would be an even bigger mess if this was done to Dorian and Sera
Dorian's personal quest would've been really confusing if he was made bisexual.
I don't understand, are there people really getting worked up over a mod that makes Cassandra bisexual? I imagine there are people who would like to have a female Inquisitor have a loving relationship with Cassandra.
It depends on what you mean by "worked up."
I think for most people who criticized the idea, modding a game and a character to change them for the purpose of simulating a romance with them seems distasteful.
That doesn't equate to being offended or angry at the fact that someone else would choose to do it in their own game, but the response didn't seem to recognize the distinction.
Does it really detract anything from Cassandra's character?
Yes, in the same way that turning Dorion bisexual would detract from his character.
Dorian's personal quest would've been really confusing if he was made bisexual.
The point is changing her sexuality when she states that she's into men is wrong, there would be an even bigger mess if this was done to Dorian and Sera
Does it have to be one-to-one equivalent? To me, Sera and especially Dorian's preferences matter more to their characters than Cassandra. Change Dorian to like men and it demolishes a lot about him. But Cassandra wasn't exiled out of her country or was in danger or being made straight in a blood ritual because she also liked women. I just don't think having her like women in addition to men demolishes her character like it would Dorian and may have the opposite effect, it could add representation rather than take it away unlike if it were Dorian or Sera.
Or what jtav said.
It doesn't detract the same way say, a straight Dorian would, because Cassandra's (or Sera's) orientation simply isn't fundamental to her character in the same way.
That isn't true.
And there isn't a long history of real straight people being told they are actually just confused.
That doesn't have anything to do with it.
She doesn't have feelings to hurt. If being able to romance her with the Inquisitor of my choice enhances my game, I see no reason why I shouldn't use it.
As I said earlier, disagreeing with the idea of something is not the same as telling someone else that they're not allowed to do it.
I really need to stop debating this issue right now.
Well, Cass herself explains to the Fem!Inquisitor she's not into women. So, in the absolute? Yes, it detracts her character.
I have to disagree. Her personality is utterly unchanged, and so there is no detracting from her character. She'd still reject someone she's not into in the exact same way, only that it wouldn't be based on gender, it would be based on something else, and instead of "woman", it would be, "person".
The use of detract implies that Cassandra is somehow written worse, or that's she's now of lesser quality, because she's gay/bisexual instead of straight, which isn't true. The complexity to her narrative isn't in any way diminished.
I have to disagree. Her personality is utterly unchanged, and so there is no detracting from her character. She'd still reject someone she's not into in the exact same way, only that it wouldn't be based on gender, it would be based on something else, and instead of "woman", it would be, "person".
The use of detract implies that Cassandra is somehow written worse, or that's she's now of lesser quality, because she's gay/bisexual instead of straight, which isn't true. The complexity to her narrative isn't in any way diminished.
I'm sure if Dorian's father used that same argument, he could've avoided estranging his son.
Does it have to be one-to-one equivalent? To me, Sera and especially Dorian's preferences matter more to their characters than Cassandra. Change Dorian to like men and it demolishes a lot about him. But Cassandra wasn't exiled out of her country or was in danger or being made straight in a blood ritual because she also liked women. I just don't think having her like women in addition to men demolishes her character like it would Dorian and may have the opposite effect, it could add representation rather than take it away if it were Dorian or Sera.
Or what jtav said.
And there's the hypocrisy, Dorian and Sera's preferences matter just as much as Cassandra's does
First off, death threats are not OK, and **** you if you made them. It's just a goddamn game.
Also, anyone can make and use whatever mods they like. "No place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation" and all that.
But here's the thing: I'm aware of the original tweets where Nat posted images, and the tone of them certainly didn't suggest "Oh, I did this as a fun test." It was more like "LOL I MADE CASSIE A LESBIAN AIN'T I ****** AWESOME." And people agreed with her!
The hypocrisy galls me. If I posted images from a mod that showed an "improved" white Vivienne or a straight Sera, I'd be (rightfully) pilloried! That has occured in the past with white Isabela! But it's OK to alter the sexuality of a straight character and then brag about it on a public forum?
This is exactly why I took a stand against certain people from the fandom using harassment as a form of psychological pressure to force ideological indoctrination both here on the BSN forum and in social network.
I was one of the first to defend people had no reason to complain of women in the DA lore and Bioware franchises in general. There had enough sex symbols in Mass Effect, for instance. Enough to satisfy the hetero male population.
But after observing the behaviour of certain people very carefully, the defenders of equal rights and sexual freedom, I've realized some of them had the same narrow-minded, agressive attitude as the people they criticized.
Enormous rant below:
I'm sure if Dorian's father framed his argument that way, he could've avoided estranging his son.
I have to disagree. Her personality is utterly unchanged, and so there is no detracting from her character. She'd still reject someone she's not into in the exact same way, only that it wouldn't be based on gender, it would be based on something else, and instead of "woman", it would be, "person".
The use of detract implies that Cassandra is somehow written worse, or that's she's now of lesser quality, because she's gay/bisexual instead of straight, which isn't true. The complexity to her narrative isn't in any way diminished.
Indeed, 'detract' has another meaning than the one I believed it had. For that, I apologize - english isn't my mother tongue.
I'm sure if Dorian's father framed his argument that way, he could've avoided estranging his son.
We're talking from an out-of-world perspective about a character that is, to us, fictional, and doesn't exist. Dorian's father is, to him, a very real entity.
There's no need to be deliberately obtuse. It invalidates your point.
Indeed, 'detract' has another meaning than the one I believed it had. For that, I apologize - english isn't my mother tongue.
No problem. Thanks for clarifying. ![=]](https://lvlt.forum.bioware.com/public/style_emoticons/default/sideways.png)
We're talking from an out-of-world perspective about a character that is, to us, fictional, and doesn't exist. Dorian's father is, to him, a very real entity.
There's no need to be deliberately obtuse. It invalidates your point.
Cassandra's sexuality is very real to her. Just because she's a fictional character doesn't mean it shouldn't be treated with respect.
And try not to condescend so much, your arguments are not one solid ground.
And there's the hypocrisy, Dorian and Sera's preferences matter just as much as Cassandra's does
But In the real world people try to change Queer people’s sexualities literally all the time. People send their kids to abusive camps to make them straight.
I don't think anywhere has a Straight person been sent to such a camp to make them Gay.
Cassandra's sexuality is very real to her. Just because she's a fictional character doesn't mean it shouldn't be treated with respect.
And try not to condescend so much, your arguments are not one solid ground.
But by suggesting that anybody who doesn't ardently oppose the existence of this mod is in any way reminiscent of a man who was willing to turn his son into a vegetable just so he wouldn't be gay is incredibly disingenuous, especially considering that we are talking about a character that is in every way fictional to us, and Dorian's father was taking action against a son real to him.
I don't think it's condescending to suggest that you were deliberately misinterpreting my point in order to make yours appear valid. Anybody with eyes can see that's the case, and I don't believe for a second that you're simple enough to interpret a comment on the consistency of a fictional narrative as in any way alike to the situation with Dorian's father. It was a conscious decision on your part to twist my argument to fit what you wanted me to be saying, rather than to reply to what I actually said.
And even the right to harass a VA, as we just witnessed on twitter not too long ago?
What happened?
But In the real world people try to change Queer people’s sexualities literally all the time. People send their kids to abusive camps to make them straight.
I don't think anywhere has a Straight person been sent to such a camp to make them Gay.
So it's ok for us to change the sexual of a straight person, because we're victims. Keep on playing the victim card.
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