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But In the real world people try to change Queer people’s sexualities literally all the time. People send their kids to abusive camps to make them straight.
I don't think anywhere has a Straight person been sent to such a camp to make them Gay.
And that justifies doing it to straight people how?
Wrong is wrong
I don't think it's condescending to suggest that you were deliberately misinterpreting my point in order to make yours appear valid. Anybody with eyes can see that's the case, and I don't believe for a second that you're simple enough to interpret a comment on the consistency of a fictional narrative as in any way alike to the situation with Dorian's father. It was a conscious decision on your part to twist my argument to fit what you wanted me to be saying, rather than to reply to what I actually said.
I didn't misinterpret your point, I pointed out the obvious hypocrisy of it.
And that justifies doing it to straight people how?
Wrong is wrong
I didn't misinterpret your point, I pointed out the obvious hypocrisy of it.
My point was that the content of Cassandra's consistency as a fictional creation isn't "detracted" from at all, because her narrative is exactly the same, only with altered pronouns. As Cassandra isn't real (just in case you were still maintaining that she's somehow equivocal to a real person for... some reason?), she can be edited in this way. Dorian's father, however, deliberately risked every single aspect about his son, not just his personality, in order to enforce something on him that Dorian, the character, could actually feel betrayed by. There are repercussions to this, because it's an in-universe act to another in-universe character, and they are real to each other.
Again, you're making the conscious decision to ignore what I'm actually saying. Do you also think that first drafts of character ideas are absolute, and that any deviance from that first draft make the writers that changed anything about the drafts are equivocal to a man who was willing to turn his son into a drooling vegetable and prefer that over him being gay?
And that justifies doing it to straight people how?
Wrong is wrong
I agree with this.
I'm willing to give SgtSteel91 the benefit of the doubt, though, and assume that they merely meant that it might be seen as less serious because there's been no historical (or current) counterpart in the real world, and so it opens less wounds? Not to say I subscribe to that viewpoint, of course, but.
I find it endlessly hilarious that people will attack SJWs while acting exactly like their criticized behavior in the same breath. It happens constantly.
As for the actual topic? Bah, who cares? It's not like the mod reaches into your game and forces Cassandra to not submit to your Inquisitor's ****, and the odds of the creator being a gay supremacist seeking to torture straight people into becoming bisexual are slim at best, so the kerfuffle seems utterly pointless.
I agree with this.
I'm willing to give SgtSteel91 the benefit of the doubt, though, and assume that they merely meant that it might be seen as less serious because there's been no historical (or current) counterpart in the real world, and so it opens less wounds? Not to say I subscribe to that viewpoint, of course, but.
I can see that viewpoint, but my point is I view it wrong period whether they're straight, gay, bi etc
Changing someone's sexuality is just wrong
So it's ok for us to change the sexual of a straight person, because we're victims. Keep on playing the victim card.
Perhaps, because one adds representation (and doesn't happen IRL) and the other takes representation away and happens a lot IRL.
Perhaps, because one adds representation (and doesn't happen IRL) and the other takes representation away and happens a lot IRL.
Ah, so straight characters shouldn't have their sexualities respected because of "representation".
Ah, so straight characters shouldn't have their sexualities respected because of "representation".
Why do you care either way? It's not like it's altering your game. If you want to think "oh, this person has bad taste" and move on, that's one thing, but actually taking offense strikes me as strange.
I can see that viewpoint, but my point is I view it wrong period whether they're straight, gay, bi etc
Changing someone's sexuality is just wrong
I'd agree with you. The act itself of changing a person's sexuality (in real life) is wrong, whether that change is from straight to gay or vice versa.
It doesn't detract the same way say, a straight Dorian would, because Cassandra's (or Sera's) orientation simply isn't fundamental to her character in the same way. And there isn't a long history of real straight people being told they are actually just confused. And, well, Cassandra is a character. She doesn't have feelings to hurt. If being able to romance her with the Inquisitor of my choice enhances my game, I see no reason why I shouldn't use it. As long as people understand that future games won't support the mind and they aren't making life difficult for other players, I feel they should be able to play the game in the way that's most enjoyable for them.
I don't care how people mod their game. What people do is their business.
What I do have an issue with is the arrogance that some people have in assuming they can do better than the writers.
And lets be honest... a lot of people are hiding behind the banner of representation when the true reality they are still bitter they could NOT romance who they wanted.
As people have the right to mod the games the way they wish to play it, the writers have the right to create the characters they envision them to be. Its sad how so many people do not respect that.
This is a very selfish and overly entitled fandom....and when I say this I am referring to straight people as well.
Why do you care either way? It's not like it's altering your game. If you want to think "oh, this person has bad taste" and move on, that's one thing, but actually taking offense strikes me as strange.
So you would be OK with me posting images of my male character having sex with Sera on my Twitter account, were there a mod to allow it? Under the heading of "I corrected Sera to be straight"? You wouldn't say a word against it? It is MY game, after all.
The problem here is that the law isn't being applied fairly. The mod isn't the problem; people can do whatever the **** they want in the privacy of their own homes. The problem is that Nat gets a pass for posting pictures of her gay Cassandra mod on Twitter, while I could do the same thing with, say, Dorian or Sera and the mob would burn me at the stake and call it "just."
(I said I was out and they keep pulling me back in)
Perhaps, because one adds representation
I'd agree with you. The act itself of changing a person's sexuality (in real life) is wrong, whether that change is from straight to gay or vice versa.
And it's the same with video games, just because their fictional doesn't make it any less disrespectful than real life, it's just not a major issue than real life
Hey guys, y'all said the mod creator posted here? What is her BSN username? Some of us would like to show her support... contact her and thank her for her hard work.
It's andrastestits
What happened?
1) https://twitter.com/ellisgreg
check tweets from February 9th to 14th.
2) https://www.tumblr.c...gged/greg-ellis
just scroll down as you read
Dwarf dude's gonna need a ladder, because Cassandra doens't do "on her knees."
But she does do 'on her back'.
kek
edit: Wait, I can't say that (even as a non-serious joke), I'm a hetero white male. Sorry.
Does it really detract anything from Cassandra's character? She would still a romantic who would love to have a candle-light date with flowers and poetry. Does it matter if it's a man or lady reading the poetry to her?
I don't know what's be happening on tumblr, but here's my opinion on the matter. If Cassandra was a bisexual or even a lesbian-only option, of course it wouldn't detract from her character. Like you said, she'd still be that soft-hearted romantic underneath that warrior woman regardless of sexual orientation. But if she was a bisexual/lesbian option then she wouldn't be an important representation to me and a very good friend of mine.
I'm a straight woman with very short hair and (even though I consider myself to be very feminine), I've often been stereotyped by strangers, just as I've seen short-haired women been stereotyped in the media. The fact that Cassandra has short hair AND is the straight option just... made me feel very happy and proud that I have short hair! As for my friend - she has been stereotyped as "butch", yet she is also straight and exactly like Cassandra personality-wise. She's a fighter, she's brash, she prefers wearing trousers to dresses and yet she is a HUGE romantic softie underneath. She definitely isn't "sweetness and light" (quoting Cassandra 
) and yet she would love it if a man courted her like the Inquisitor courts Cassandra. And she was absolutely delighted with the Cassandra romance because she can 100% relate to it.
So, what I trying to say is that Cassandra's character would not be detracted if she was also available to women, merely what she personally represents to me and my friend would be. I hope this doesn't sound like one big whine!
I should probably point out that I'm not against a mod making Cassandra available for women though! By all means go ahead! 
And it's the same with video games, just because their fictional doesn't make it any less disrespectful than real life, it's just not a major issue than real life
And here, we disagree. They are fictional. They are very deliberately not real, and should in no way ever be treated as such. If someone decided to write an AU fanfiction of one of my stories wherein one of the characters has a terminal illness that culminated in them dying at some point in the fanfic, I wouldn't accuse the fanfic writer of murder. Because my characters are fictional. They are creations. Someone killing my character is not the same as someone killing a person in real life.
In the same way, someone shipping one of my characters with another one that's a gender they're not canonically interested in is not the same as enforcing corrective therapy on a real person, because fictional characters only exist in people's minds, whereas real people are real. Real people are not fictional. Real people actually exist. Fictional people don't.
Cassandra is not a real person. Cassandra is a fictional creation. Real people are not the same as fictional characters, and they should not be treated the same way.
I'm finding it quite ridiculous that this even has to be said.
This is a very selfish and overly entitled fandom....and when I say this I am referring to straight people as well.
I don't see how. It's a mod that allows the person who willingly downloaded it to romance Cassandra without gender restrictions. It's a personal act. Nobody (as far as I know) is using the mod to demand that Cassandra be officially changed to bisexual, or using it to argue that this makes Cassandra bisexual in-canon.
Would you also say that modders who add custom armours to the game are being selfish and overly-entitled, as well? They're also not happy with the vanilla content of the game and feel the need to add to it.
1) https://twitter.com/ellisgreg
check tweets from February 9th to 14th.
2) https://www.tumblr.c...gged/greg-ellis
just scroll down as you read
Ugh.
So you would be OK with me posting images of my male character having sex with Sera on my Twitter account, were there a mod to allow it? Under the heading of "I corrected Sera to be straight"? You wouldn't say a word against it? It is MY game, after all.
The problem here is that the law isn't being applied fairly.
(I said I was out and they keep pulling me back in)
Yes. Largely because I don't follow your Twitter account, but also because you're not going to influence the devs or anything (also, you couldn't make her straight without editing out a lot of her other dialogue unrelated to romance). I might laugh at your taste, but it's not like you'd change anything that would affect me.
I don't know what's be happening on tumblr, but here's my opinion on the matter. If Cassandra was a bisexual or even a lesbian-only option, of course it wouldn't detract from her character. Like you said, she'd still be that soft-hearted romantic underneath that warrior woman regardless of sexual orientation. But if she was a bisexual/lesbian option then she wouldn't be an important representation to me and a very good friend of mine.
I'm a straight woman with very short hair and (even though I consider myself to be very feminine), I've often been stereotyped by strangers, just as I've seen short-haired women been stereotyped in the media. The fact that Cassandra has short hair AND is the straight option just... made me feel very happy and proud that I have short hair! As for my friend - she has been stereotyped as "butch", yet she is also straight and exactly like Cassandra personality-wise. She's a fighter, she's brash, she prefers wearing trousers to dresses and yet she is a HUGE romantic softie underneath. She definitely isn't "sweetness and light" (quoting Cassandra
So, what I trying to say is that Cassandra's character would not be detracted if she was also available to women, merely what she personally represents to me and my friend would be. I hope this doesn't sound like one big whine!
I should probably point out that I'm not against a mod making Cassandra available for women though! By all means go ahead!
I think my problem with this post is that every single "butch" romance option who's existed in any Bioware game has turned out to be straight. It's not clever or subversive; by this point, it's the exact opposite.
Ah, so straight characters shouldn't have their sexualities respected because of "representation".
Yeah, kind of. Until queer sexualities are respected and not treated as an afterthought, and until people are assumed to be straight until proven otherwise, and until queer people and queer romances are considered just as much of a priority as straight ones, yes sadly that has to be the case.
Until real queer people are treated with respect everywhere, where they aren’t abused or killed outright for who they are, mods that make straight will be acceptable and even necessary.
I think my problem with this post is that every single "butch" romance option who's existed in any Bioware game has turned out to be straight. It's not clever or subversive; by this point, it's the exact opposite.
Ah I see! Well, you see me and my friend have only played Dragon Age (I've played Mass Effect on my own). That's why we feel so strongly about Cassandra.
Ah I see! Well, you see me and my friend have only played Dragon Age I've played Mass Effect on my own. That's why we feel so strongly about Cassandra.
I'm glad that you got representation, of course. But there are a lot of women out there who've really wanted someone like Cassandra, or Ashley, or what have you, and keep getting that ripped away from them. My girlfriend being one of them. So the Tall Walkers will forgive me for not breaking out my flamethrower over this mod, I think?
Yeah, kind of. Until queer sexualities are respected and not treated as an afterthought, and until people are assumed to be straight until proven otherwise, and until queer people and queer romances are considered just as much of a priority as straight ones, yes sadly that has to be the case.
Until real queer people are treated with respect everywhere, where they aren’t abused or killed outright for who they are, mods that make straight will be acceptable and even necessary.
I'm done here, blatant hypocrisy is just disgusting
I really hate the Bioware fandom sometimes
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