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[TheJediSaint]

I'm done here, blatant hypocrisy is just disgusting

 

I really hate the Bioware fandom sometimes   

Yeah, me too.

 

Yeah, kind of. Until queer sexualities are respected and not treated as an afterthought, and until people are assumed to be straight until proven otherwise, and until queer people and queer romances are considered just as much of a priority as straight ones, yes sadly that has to be the case.

Until real queer people are treated with respect everywhere, where they aren’t abused or killed outright for who they are, mods that make straight will be acceptable and even necessary.

Vindictive hypocrisy will not advance the cause of greater representation for LGBT+ people.

[Master Warder Z_]

Yeah, kind of

I think this conversation needs to end now.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Yeah, me too.

Reminds me of the thread where everyone wanted Cullen to be bi and the justification was that "Oh he never said he wasn't bi" despite evidence clearly showing he was attracted to women only but apparently logic left these people a long time ago. Man DA2 really caused lots of problems with everyone being bi as now everyone wants every character to be bi, characterization be damned.

[StaceysChain]

I'm glad that you got representation, of course. But there are a lot of women out there who've really wanted someone like Cassandra, or Ashley, or what have you, and keep getting that ripped away from them. My girlfriend being one of them. So the Tall Walkers will forgive me for not breaking out my flamethrower over this mod, I think?

 

I can honestly tell you that I'm completely fine with the mod too. 

 

Hopefully one day Bioware WILL put a gay Cassandra/Ashley type in. As well as a short-haired straight woman who adores girly things.

[Demonique]

What happened?

 

Greg Ellis wondered why actors were expected to dress appropriately whilst musicians could dress like whores.

 

Some people pointed out that it wasn't cool to use the word w***e, he responded by blocking everyone who criticised him even the person who literally said "hey it's not cool to use the word 'w***e'"

 

He posted someone's personal details online and told his followers to 'smother her with kindness', she ended up getting death threats and had people calling her at her place of work to harass her.

 

A big row broke out on Twitter between Greg's fans as a result

[Xilizhra]

I think this conversation needs to end now.

Ah, thus leaving the thread to all the people who enjoy bisexual Cassandra for the night? Thank you for your kindness.

[Voragoras]

I'm glad that you got representation, of course. But there are a lot of women out there who've really wanted someone like Cassandra, or Ashley, or what have you, and keep getting that ripped away from them. My girlfriend being one of them. So the Tall Walkers will forgive me for not breaking out my flamethrower over this mod, I think?

 

But won't somebody think of the fictional character's rights?

[SgtSteel91]

Spoiler

I don't really care in the slightest if Cassandra is straight or gay or bi, I prefer to romance Cullen as a female Inquisitor. At first I wanted to see the views of people who had strong feeling about the Bi-Cass mod. But then I started sending the replies to a Tumblr blog who was very much in favor of the mod and would be considered by many here to be a SJW. Then I would post their replies here, get reply posts, and then send it to the Blog. Thank you for helping me in my sort-of proxy internet argument. It was interesting.   

[Master Warder Z_]

Ah, thus leaving the thread to all the people who enjoy bisexual Cassandra for the night? Thank you for your kindness.

You need to disappear for another six months.

[mordy_was_here]

Yeah, kind of. 

 

Nice, real nice. With that, I'm out.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Greg Ellis wondered why actors were expected to dress appropriately whilst musicians could dress like whores.

 

Some people pointed out that it wasn't cool to use the word w***e, he responded by blocking everyone who criticised him even the person who literally said "hey it's not cool to use the word 'w***e'"

 

He posted someone's personal details online and told his followers to 'smother her with kindness', she ended up getting death threats and had people calling her at her place of work to harass her.

 

A big row broke out on Twitter between Greg's fans as a result

Wow, Cullenites just continue to show how depraved they are. Reminds of the time talimancers sent death threats to me because I wouldn't love their virginal alien gypsy.

[jtav]

I am actually a straight woman. But, for whatever reason, BW gives the kinds of romances I enjoy to straight men. Oh, and I vastly prefer the female VA. So in this particular instance I view it as more akin to the DAO Cullen romance mod--giving players options they wouldn't normally have.

And I'm a fan writer. Right now, I'm working on a story that turns the nicest character in the show into an anti-hero. The writers do as they please while they create. But then fans do as they please.

[Master Warder Z_]

Back to the actual point of the thread finally? Our perfect closet romantic, one hundred percent heterosexual Cassandra?

o.o I think tonight has inspired me to actually resume work on my fanfic again.

[Qun00]

Can we all just stop for a moment and remember these characters aren't real?

Let's look at this objectively. The only reason these people are modding the characfer's sexuality is that they wish they could romance her.

A gamer's wish, that's all there is to it. This whole serious debate isn't really warranted.

But regarding this straight people vs gay people thing, I'll just agree that if something is wrong it should apply to any group. There's no point in turning this into a contest for who has it worse.

[thats1evildude]

Until real queer people are treated with respect everywhere, where they aren’t abused or killed outright for who they are, mods that make straight will be acceptable and even necessary.

 

You already had equal representation in DAI. But I see that equality was never really the goal here.

[SgtSteel91]

So I'm thinking of giving Cassandra Certainty with a Master Corrupting Rune.

 

Good idea or best idea? 

[Xilizhra]

Back to the actual point of the thread finally? Our perfect closet romantic, one hundred percent heterosexual Cassandra?

o.o I think tonight has inspired me to actually resume work on my fanfic again.

Eh. I'd say she's closer to 85% at most.

 

At least in unmodded games.

[Qun00]

Heh, running now are you.

[Melca36]

And here, we disagree. They are fictional. They are very deliberately not real, and should in no way ever be treated as such. If someone decided to write an AU fanfiction of one of my stories wherein one of the characters has a terminal illness that culminated in them dying at some point in the fanfic, I wouldn't accuse the fanfic writer of murder. Because my characters are fictional. They are creations. Someone killing my character is not the same as someone killing a person in real life.

 

In the same way, someone shipping one of my characters with another one that's a gender they're not canonically interested in is not the same as enforcing corrective therapy on a real person, because fictional characters only exist in people's minds, whereas real people are real. Real people are not fictional. Real people actually exist. Fictional people don't.

 

Cassandra is not a real person. Cassandra is a fictional creation. Real people are not the same as fictional characters, and they should not be treated the same way.

 

I'm finding it quite ridiculous that this even has to be said.

 

 

I don't see how. It's a mod that allows the person who willingly downloaded it to romance Cassandra without gender restrictions. It's a personal act. Nobody (as far as I know) is using the mod to demand that Cassandra be officially changed to bisexual, or using it to argue that this makes Cassandra bisexual in-canon.

 

Would you also say that modders who add custom armours to the game are being selfish and overly-entitled, as well? They're also not happy with the vanilla content of the game and feel the need to add to it.

 

 

I have no issues with the custom clothing being implemented in the game. What I do have issues is these mods.  People always end up insisting the writers change the lore to cater to their demands.   These people insist they are right, they know better than the writers/developers.  Its selfish.  Oh and before you accuse me of being homophobic...the minute I see Sera and Dorian mods...I will CALL THEM OUT as well.     Like I said...what people do, play their games is their business but there is a huge group of people who think they know better than the writers and will take these mods to the extreme and demand the writers change the lore.  Ive seen this before and its going to happen again.  

 

When all is said and done, the writers have the right to their vision the same way people have the right to play their games the way they want.

[AresKeith]

You already had equal representation in DAI. But I see that equality was never really the goal here.

 

It never was for some people 

[Voragoras]

I have no issues with the custom clothing being implemented in the game. What I do have issues is these mods.  People always end up insisting the writers change the lore to cater to their demands.   These people insist they are right, they know better than the writers/developers.  Its selfish.  Oh and before you accuse me of being homophobic...the minute I see Sera and Dorian mods...I will CALL THEM OUT as well.     Like I said...what people do, play their games is their business but there is a huge group of people who think they know better than the writers and will take these mods to the extreme and demand the writers change the lore.  Ive seen this before and its going to happen again.  

 

When all is said and done, the writers have the right to their vision the same way people have the right to play their games the way they want.

 

I've never brought homophobia into this, and I'm not sure why you think it'd be something I'd respond with.

 

In regards to your main point, though, I'd just say this: the vocal minority of crazies do not represent the silent majority, who will most likely download this mod and never mention it. I don't think you should use them to generalise towards the entire fanbase, because most of the fanbase probably accept the lore as-is, whether they like it or not, and therefore have no need to talk about it publicly, and so you don't see them as much.  
 

Reminds of the time talimancers sent death threats to me because I wouldn't love their virginal alien gypsy.

 
lol.
 
I mean, Tali is my go-to romance for Mass Effect (after based goddess Samantha Traynor), but sending death threats over not liking a character that doesn't even exist is setting the bar high for silly fan behaviour. Some people really need some time away from fiction, or to spend more time outside, or just to do something that reminds them that the characters they're this obsessive over don't care about the size of their fanbases, because they're not real.
 
I mean, really. When are death threats ever warranted?

[d-boy15]

Personally I think this mod and those alter characters mod are stupid and disgusting.

But if anyone want to use it, I say let them. Everyone have a right to lie to themselves. It not like it gonna make Cassandra official bi-sexual in the lore.

Funny , I remember back in ME3 someone mod Cortez to be available to female and got flame to dust as well.

[o Ventus]

Yes. Largely because I don't follow your Twitter account, but also because you're not going to influence the devs or anything (also, you couldn't make her straight without editing out a lot of her other dialogue unrelated to romance). I might laugh at your taste, but it's not like you'd change anything that would affect me.

 

 

I think my problem with this post is that every single "butch" romance option who's existed in any Bioware game has turned out to be straight. It's not clever or subversive; by this point, it's the exact opposite.

In my experience, Bioware has never even done a 'butch' romance.

[Qun00]

Just let the subject die already.

So, is this like a private club that frowns upon newcomers or what?

It's always hard to join a conversation here.

[Cespar]

We've gotten so many new "fans" since page 1051.