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[prosthetic soul]

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I'll just leave this here.

[Siha]

That's just as weak a point to make. You may as well say "well, you're not black, so you don't know how bad black people have it."

 

I didn't say it's a good point. I said it's the "better" argument of both. Still stupid, but at least a bit more sensible.

 

o.o bunch of lazy anti smoking liberal minded pseudo communists...or something like that anyway.

 

I assume you forgot a few things. What about "pampered", "milksop", and my all-time favorite of stupid fill-ins: "gay"?

 

I agree with you, but every time I talk to someone older than me, they also say "What do you know? I'm much older, and had more experience in the world."

 

Just shrug it off. Whenever people don't have arguments they have insults. I always used to say "Age doesn't matter much if you've spent it under a rock" and leave it at that. No sense arguing.

[Master Warder Z_]

Those who bash the younger generation forget the ones who raised it.

I honestly can't wait until the baby roomers start retiring for good. The world will be a better place for it.

What kind of fandango bullshitry is that?(

[Colonelkillabee]

That's just as weak a point to make. You may as well say "well, you're not black, so you don't know how bad black people have it."

Actually, that sentiment is pretty true for a lot of things. You'll never really know how someone's life is unless you experience it yourself. Black white, man woman, etc. You can sympathize but not truly empathize unless you share that background.

[Siha]

That's fantasy.  Pure fantasy. 

 

Exactly. And that's what Disney's grown rich with. And still keeps making money. Fantasy does not mean it does not work. Look at every single romance in the game and see what's at the core: a strong man and a woman swayed away by a few "You are so special" lines. Preferably coupled with "I've never felt like this before" or "I lost somebody and you suddenly make it all better". 100% success.

[Master Warder Z_]

I assume you forgot a few things. What about "pampered", "milksop", and my all-time favorite of stupid fill-ins: "gay"?

What does a person doing in the bedroom have to do with being a pollutant to society? Ah well at least some of the next generation get it.

It's why I support and advocate many political organizations across the planet. Global society is degenerating.

People abandon community and nationalism in favor of being anti government.

[Siha]

What does a person doing in the bedroom have to do with being a pollutant to society? Ah well at least some of the next generation get it.

It's why I support and advocate many political organizations across the planet. Global society is degenerating.

People abandon community and nationalism in favor of being anti government.

 

What did all of what was said here have to do with communism? (Or any of the other things you just mentioned, or age in the first place.)

[Master Warder Z_]

What did all of what was said here have to do with communism? (Or any of the other things you just mentioned, or age in the first place.)

o.o nothing at all?

[Colonelkillabee]

o.o nothing at all?

Don't hurt yourself there, sport

[raging_monkey]

Don't hurt yourself there, sport

meow haha

[Siha]

That's just as weak a point to make. You may as well say "well, you're not black, so you don't know how bad black people have it."

 

It's a version of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

 

 

 

I don't know if this is good or bad. The most common response I see is "wow, you know how to spell and use grammar!"

 

You know... you do seem rather devastated sometimes. If that's good or bad you must know.

 

o.o nothing at all?

 

Good! I am so pleased we agree.

[o Ventus]

Actually, that sentiment is pretty true for a lot of things. You'll never really know how someone's life is unless you experience it yourself. Black white, man woman, etc. You can sympathize but not truly empathize unless you share that background.

Sure you can. that's how empathy works. One does not need to be black to empathize with black people during the Civil Rights movement.

 

There were white Freedom riders, after all.

[o Ventus]

You know... you do seem rather devastated sometimes. If that's good or bad you must know.

 

Well, 'devastation' is a natural human response to stimuli, yes.

 

But I wasn't sure if "like you're 47 and divorced twice" is a compliment or not. That could be taken as a sign of wisdom/cynicism or as bitter and angry.

[Master Warder Z_]

Good! I am so pleased we agree.

Well now that I think of it, this culture of accommodation could be impacted by innate concepts being spewed upon the public.

[Colonelkillabee]

Sure you can. that's how empathy works. One does not need to be black to empathize with black people during the Civil Rights movement.

 

There were white Freedom riders, after all.

You're talking sympathy. Not empathy. You don't share in the emotional pain someone like them have from their very culture and history, because it's not the same as something you've experienced. People can say they know all they want, or that they can empathize, but they can't.

[Colonelkillabee]

Well, 'devastation' is a natural human response to stimuli, yes.

This makes no sense.

[o Ventus]

You're talking sympathy. Not empathy. You don't share in the emotional pain someone like them have from their very culture and history, because it's not the same as something you've experienced. People can say they know all they want, or that they can empathize, but they can't.

 

Empathy (n): the ability to share and understand and share the feelings of another.

 

Sounds like empathy to me.

[o Ventus]

This makes no sense.

...?

 

When someone is 'devastated', it means they feel a great deal of sadness or sorrow. I said this is a natural response to stimuli.

 

In what way does that not make sense?

[Colonelkillabee]

Empathy (n): the ability to share and understand and share the feelings of another.

 

Sounds like empathy to me.

Was waiting for that:

 

What is the difference between empathy and sympathy?

Both empathy and sympathy are feelings concerning other people. Sympathy is literally 'feeling with' - compassion for or commiseration with another person. Empathy, by contrast, is literally 'feeling into' - the ability to project one's personality into another person and more fully understand that person. Sympathy derives from Latin and Greek words meaning 'having a fellow feeling'. The term empathy originated in psychology (translation of a German term, c. 1903) and has now come to mean the ability to imagine or project oneself into another person's position and experience all the sensations involved in that position. You feel empathy when you've "been there", and sympathy when you haven't. Examples: We felt sympathy for the team members who tried hard but were not appreciated. / We felt empathy for children with asthma because their parents won't remove pets from the household.

 

http://dictionary.re...nguage/d23.html

[Colonelkillabee]

...?

 

When someone is 'devastated', it means they feel a great deal of sadness or sorrow. I said this is a natural response to stimuli.

 

In what way does that not make sense?

Stimuli is a lot of things, and the way you describe it was false and incredibly emo.

[o Ventus]

Was waiting for that:

 

What is the difference between empathy and sympathy?

Both empathy and sympathy are feelings concerning other people. Sympathy is literally 'feeling with' - compassion for or commiseration with another person. Empathy, by contrast, is literally 'feeling into' - the ability to project one's personality into another person and more fully understand that person. Sympathy derives from Latin and Greek words meaning 'having a fellow feeling'. The term empathy originated in psychology (translation of a German term, c. 1903) and has now come to mean the ability to imagine or project oneself into another person's position and experience all the sensations involved in that position. You feel empathy when you've "been there", and sympathy when you haven't. Examples: We felt sympathy for the team members who tried hard but were not appreciated. / We felt empathy for children with asthma because their parents won't remove pets from the household.

 

http://dictionary.re...nguage/d23.html

 

That, in no way whatsoever, makes what I said any less valid.

 

Stimuli is a lot of things, and the way you describe it was false and incredibly emo.

 

It's not false, because it's well-documented and should be painfully obvious that people respond unfavorably to unfavorable treatment. I also wasn't the one who started saying 'devastated', I was just using it to keep the context of what I was responding to.

 

What the hell does 'incredibly emo' even mean in this context. 'Emo' describes something that is overly confessional or angsty. All I did was state a simple fact. If 'people get sad when you are an a**hole to them' is emo, then 'water is wet' is emo.

[Siha]

Well, 'devastation' is a natural human response to stimuli, yes.

 

But I wasn't sure if "like you're 47 and divorced twice" is a compliment or not. That could be taken as a sign of wisdom/cynicism or as bitter and angry.

 

Why would it be a compliment? You think I take joy in the fact that you seem devastated?

Your posts just tend to seem like you had been through many long years of solitude and disappointment, usually seen with people who have been living that way for longer than you are old yet (mix in a bad divorce and a couple of separated kids if you wish). Somebody at 19 should not yet feel so sad. That's all. It's neither compliment nor insult, it is just an observation. Take it as you will.

 

In what way does that not make sense?

 

The way you put it was like it were the only natural reaction to any sort of stimulus, that's all.

[Siha]

And about now Cassandra would probably wonder how much longer we intend to drag this out and say "I see no point in running around in circles like a dog chasing its tail".

[o Ventus]

Why would it be a compliment? You think I take joy in the fact that you seem devastated?

 

Well, schadenfreude is a thing.

 

That was more or less a joke though, not a wholehearted answer.

 

Your posts just tend to seem like you had been through many long years of solitude and disappointment, usually seen with people who have been living that way for longer than you are old yet (mix in a bad divorce and a couple of separated kids if you wish). Somebody at 19 should not yet feel so sad. That's all. It's neither compliment nor insult, it is just an observation. Take it as you will.

 

Ah. 

 

@bold: Not to give everything away, but you're not entirely wrong.

[Colonelkillabee]

That, in no way whatsoever, makes what I said any less valid.

 

 

It's not false, because it's well-documented and should be painfully obvious that people respond unfavorably to unfavorable treatment. I also wasn't the one who started saying 'devastated', I was just using it to keep the context of what I was responding to.

 

What the hell does 'incredibly emo' even mean in this context. 'Emo' describes something that is overly confessional or angsty. All I did was state a simple fact. If 'people get sad when you are an a**hole to them' is emo, then 'water is wet' is emo.

 

Lol.

 

First:

 

"You feel empathy when you've "been there", and sympathy when you haven't."

 

In your example of black people, assuming you're not black, you haven't "been there" so you can't accurately put yourself in their shoes, hence why when people try, black people often get offended that they even think they can pretend to know what it's like living as a black person day by day. It's very different from how life is for others in America. Look at that whole mess in Missouri.

 

You and I will never be able to empathize with certain issues a woman faces, but we can sympathize.

 

As for the rest, all you said was "devastation was a natural reaction to human stimuli". That makes it sound like something Warder would say... that all we feel is pain or some crap. Poorly worded statement was poorly worded.