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[Xilizhra]

This is more or less the common idea between Andrastians who are friendly to the Inquisitor.

 

Besides, disregarding the existence of an entity like the Maker is unwise in this setting, considering every other supernatural facet that has been seen.

Given that the Maker's existence will, according to the devs, never be proven, it seems perfectly safe to me.

[o Ventus]

Given that the Maker's existence will, according to the devs, never be proven, it seems perfectly safe to me.

Okay, except that doesn't refute or even acknowledge what I said in any meaningful capacity. It's a little unwise to say there isn't a god figure when there are ghosts, magic, demons, and spirits. Not to mention that if there is a god figure, we know where he lives and that it's possible to get there. This isn't like real life where it's logically asinine to believe in a deity. There's at least somewhat meaningful evidence that either the Maker or an entity that everyone prescribes as the Maker either exists or did exist at one point.

[AWTEW]

I wanted to share this, because Cass is amazing in the dress. It is tethraghast though, I spoiler tagged it.

Spoiler

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

It's hard to comment on the dress, with the guy that helps hook up the Inquisitor and Cass.

 

Like watching a wingman walk out the bar with the girl he set you up with.

 

I prefer the art I posted at the top of the page because of that, at least Varric doesn't snatch her there 

[CosmicalAdventure]

Okay, except that doesn't refute or even acknowledge what I said in any meaningful capacity. It's a little unwise to say there isn't a god figure when there are ghosts, magic, demons, and spirits. Not to mention that if there is a god figure, we know where he lives and that it's possible to get there. This isn't like real life where it's logically asinine to believe in a deity. There's at least somewhat meaningful evidence that either the Maker or an entity that everyone prescribes as the Maker either exists or did exist at one point.

 

If you are looking for any hard evidence about existence of deity being prescribed as the Maker, remember that Corypheus at one point said the throne that he found in the Golden City itself was "empty" -  insinuating that He never existed (Does that mean Andraste was a lunatic? maybe), despite the fact that we have demons and dragons and old gods and magic and the fade etc. as His creations. I do not know and won't speculate whether Corypheus was being honest or not, or whether he was tricked by the Maker so he had a deluded perception about what Golden City actually looks like. It's something to consider, at least. 

 

One interesting point is that we don't know /need more sufficient info if the Maker as the One True God Who Rules Over Us All and mainly worshipped by humans is actually different from Elven Pantheon. I wonder if Andraste's spiritual husband is, perhaps, and Elven god or something (this is a baseless assumption, so go easy on me about this one)

 

Perhaps it's unwise and lazy and ambigious, but personally I do not mind at all if the Maker existence isn't explicitly explained in the game. 

[AWTEW]

It's hard to comment on the dress, with the guy that helps hook up the Inquisitor and Cass.

 

Like watching a wingman walk out the bar with the girl he set you up with.

 

 Oh please, you can just cut varric out and use your imagination.

I prefer the art I posted at the top of the page because of that, at least Varric doesn't snatch her there 

 

3some maybe

[Siha]

I simply ignore all fanfiction and live happily along in my little canon bubble. 

[AWTEW]

3some? Neither one of them want that.. and if they did, I'd bother to ask first. Instead of imposing my imagination on everything. Sometimes I think I like both Cass and Varric than the people who want them together. At least I grant them some kind of will of their own... fictional though they may be.

 

Who am I kidding? Fan fic people are self-absorbed. Talking about a character's will is pointless.

 

Chill out, dude. Tis, all good

 

Here have a  funny comic, about Cassandra being pulled into things..by the female inquisitor. It features some Solaven, but eh. Its really cool, and seriously it's a nice  change of pace to have: same Finquisitor and Cassandra BFF moments on my dash. Because seriously, after the pentilet this morning.. :/

 

Spoiler tagged for size.  It features Finquisitor and Cassandra, but NOT FinquisitorxCassandra.

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

Art by:  spite or flight

[Siha]

I try to. I don't look for it. I just want to talk about Cass here.

 

And by Cass, I mean the actual one in the game.

 

Than just follow my example and ignore it. I look at the pic of her with Varric and feel nothing at all except for "Hey, the artist really does some nice pencil work there". AWTEW was even nice enough to spoiler it and indicate what it is about.

Ignoring fanfiction is even easier because you can simply not read it.

 

For me Cass is a heterosexual, strong, faithful warrior who might be dreaming of but is not looking for romance. When she meets the inquisitor and he turns out to be a good man -- following her own religion or not -- he is a special case and she will commit to a relationship with him. And that's it, end of story.

In my world she will not hook up with anyone, she will not fraternize with other men from the squad, she will not suddenly fall in love with a woman etc.

[Siha]

I'd like to be more concrete about the game itself. What we got in the game is cool enough on it's own.

 

You wanna talk game? I'm game.

 

 

Ignore the rest, everybody plays in a different style. No need to feel bad about it.

[AWTEW]

It's not the pic in particular. I brushed that aside quick. It's the threesome comment that annoyed me. I would've moved on otherwise. Stuff like that is just typical of the fanfic mind. Like I said, self-absorbed. It's all about entertaining one's own random ideas. I'd like to be more concrete about the game itself. What we got in the game is cool enough on it's own.

 

Seriously? I thought the ':P' made it clear it was a joke. :/

 

*Senses culture clash and backs away slowly*

[AWTEW]

If it was, my bad. Some people have said similar things, but not as a joke. 

 

I don't know anymore. Lets just move on.

 

Oh, yeah I can see that. I tend to be rather relaxed  and chill, otherwise you go crazy on this forum.And yes moving right along too...

 

manga-ish cass

 

 

By: ultratrashcannon

 

Ithoughtitwasapicofbishonenprettyboyatfirsttbh

[o Ventus]

If you are looking for any hard evidence about existence of deity being prescribed as the Maker, remember that Corypheus at one point said the throne that he found in the Golden City itself was "empty" -  insinuating that He never existed (Does that mean Andraste was a lunatic? maybe), despite the fact that we have demons and dragons and old gods and magic and the fade etc. as His creations. I do not know and won't speculate whether Corypheus was being honest or not, or whether he was tricked by the Maker so he had a deluded perception about what Golden City actually looks like. It's something to consider, at least. 

 

One interesting point is that we don't know /need more sufficient info if the Maker as the One True God Who Rules Over Us All and mainly worshipped by humans is actually different from Elven Pantheon. I wonder if Andraste's spiritual husband is, perhaps, and Elven god or something (this is a baseless assumption, so go easy on me about this one)

 

Perhaps it's unwise and lazy and ambigious, but personally I do not mind at all if the Maker existence isn't explicitly explained in the game. 

 

Okay. Even that isn't a refutation of what I said. I said "at least somewhat meaningful evidence", meaning that while it isn't concrete, it is at least circumstantial. 

 

The Golden City is the seat of the Maker, as prescribed in Chantry lore (lore older than Corypheus). Corypheus and the other 6 magisters entered the Golden City in an effort to do whatever it was they were trying to do, but saw that it was black and that the Maker wasn't there. Chantry lore states that the City turned black and the Maker turned his back on people because of what the magisters did. Corypheus' words and actions don't endorse or deny what the Chantry states. His words lend weight to the idea that the Maker is not real, but the presence of the City and the knowledge that it has actually been entered as per the legend gives weight to the idea that He might be. Given Tevinter's history, it's more than possible that the City actually was golden, but they corrupted it when they showed up. Seeing that the City is located in the Fade (a place where natural laws already don't apply), it's not an idea entirely beyond belief. It's not concrete and there's evidence to deny the claim of the Maker, but it's not wise to throw it away altogether until more evidence is present.

[o Ventus]

 

Who am I kidding? Fan fic people are self-absorbed. Talking about a character's will is pointless.

The hardcore fan fic people who cling to any idea about a character regardless of how dumb and out-of-character it is, yeah.

 

I say this as a "fan fic person", in the sense that I've written fics. The weird romance fixation in fan fiction disturbs me, but it's mostly harmless. 

 

Then again, whenever I write my fics, I just reuse Shepard/Inquisitor/Hawke as the protagonists the same way they are in the game, and whenever there's a romance, I just stick with a character whom the protagonist can actually have a romantic establishment with (Miranda/Cassandra/Isabela, respectively), so it isn't character-breaking or totally out of left field. I don't go out of my way to make a character gay or bisexual or pursue some weird incestuous relationship.

 

But then my fan fics are really just post-epilogue short stories. I use established canon at every opportunity and only invent characters and settings that are original to the story I'm trying to tell.

[TheJediSaint]

Oh, yeah I can see that. I tend to be rather relaxed  and chill, otherwise you go crazy on this forum.And yes moving right along too...

 

manga-ish cass

 

Spoiler

 

By: ultratrashcannon

 

Ithoughtitwasapicofbishonenprettyboyatfirsttbh

That smile suggests she's either having poetry read to her, or that she's about to vanquish some evil.

[o Ventus]

That smile suggests she's either having poetry read to her, or that she's about to vanquish some evil.

At the same time.

[Jaison1986]

Okay. Even that isn't a refutation of what I said. I said "at least somewhat meaningful evidence", meaning that while it isn't concrete, it is at least circumstantial. 

 

The Golden City is the seat of the Maker, as prescribed in Chantry lore (lore older than Corypheus). Corypheus and the other 6 magisters entered the Golden City in an effort to do whatever it was they were trying to do, but saw that it was black and that the Maker wasn't there. Chantry lore states that the City turned black and the Maker turned his back on people because of what the magisters did. Corypheus' words and actions don't endorse or deny what the Chantry states. His words lend weight to the idea that the Maker is not real, but the presence of the City and the knowledge that it has actually been entered as per the legend gives weight to the idea that He might be. Given Tevinter's history, it's more than possible that the City actually was golden, but they corrupted it when they showed up. Seeing that the City is located in the Fade (a place where natural laws already don't apply), it's not an idea entirely beyond belief. It's not concrete and there's evidence to deny the claim of the Maker, but it's not wise to throw it away altogether until more evidence is present.

 

They did went to the city, but the truth is that no one was there (even the demons are afraid of it, likely because of the taint as Avernus states in his journals), and it was aways black, aways corrupted. I have my own theory of what the black city actually is, but it's an long story.

So, only part of the tale is right. When you ask Giselle about it after Haven, she acts in complete denial over the mere possibility that the Chantry tales are wrong. So I believe there is an real story behind the legend, I even believe there is an real Maker, but surely not as an onimpotent God as the Chantry preaches. I just want the real story to be told. The moment BW went out of their way to disprove the elven gods was the moment they stopped being ambiguous to me. I think they should just give us the truth and be done with it.