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I see that, but I felt more personal subtext with some of Bioware's other antagonists. I'm a complete mark when it comes to things feeling deeply personal for the Protagonist. Those moments are always my favorites.
On the other hand, I'm in the minority on some of my favorites. I loved Saren and Petrovsky, but not in the same way as a lot of their fans. I don't think they were really heroes, I just enjoyed them as the villains.
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I was probably looking at Aria's ass too much to notice.
Seriously!Oh god, that was the worst offender out of the whole thing
Let us all agree not to discuss the little kid, yes? 
As for Petrovsky ::shrug:: I enjoyed that moment when he tried to talk Shepard out of working with Aria. That scene was so fun for me that my Engineer didn't take the Paragon interrupt just so I could hear him say his piece. lol. I know I'm weird. 
I guess I just love affable villains.
Oh god, that was the worst offender out of the whole thing
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Let us all agree not to discuss the little kid, yes?
As for Petrovsky ::shrug:: I enjoyed that moment when he tried to talk Shepard out of working with Aria. That scene was so fun for me that my Engineer didn't take the Paragon interrupt just so I could hear him say his piece. lol. I know I'm weird.
I guess I just love affable villains.
Fair enough. That was a nice touch on the engineer.. never played one though.
Let us all agree not to discuss the little kid, yes?
As for Petrovsky ::shrug:: I enjoyed that moment when he tried to talk Shepard out of working with Aria. That scene was so fun for me that my Engineer didn't take the Paragon interrupt just so I could hear him say his piece. lol. I know I'm weird.
I guess I just love affable villains.
Petrovsky was excellent.
Plus he played chess o.o
And used the pieces for narrative emphasis of his internal decision making!
My favorite enemy.
Oh my god, is this the first thing we've ever agreed on? Quick, start talking about how Petrovski should have won and raised humanity to its rightful place as top tier citizens on Omega so things can go back to normal. 
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I ended up going a ruthless path there..
Nyreen pissed me off. She's a cool character, but also kind of a reminder how stupid Sacrificial Shep is. She was a symbol of that, while Aria was the destructive symbol.
I let Aria have her way.
I personally like villains like Saren and Petrovky, and Sun Li myself, I also don't have a problem with people like Cory either
They was doing fine with him till after Haven, he was ok in the Arbor Wilds too
I don't necessarily have a problem with him either. I know antagonists like him have their place...Not everyone can be an affable chess master who offers a "we could rule together" speech.
I just want those to happen a little more often than they do.
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I don't necessarily have a problem with him either. I know antagonists like him have their place...Not everyone can be an affable chess master who offers a "we could rule together" speech.
I just want those to happen a little more often than they do.
In that case, i think loghain and Arishok stand out the most for me. Loghain moreso. I still like fighting the Arishok.. but loghain.. I can actually see his side.
AH come on but I want to have a debate and then get out the knives and other cutlery and start jabbing each other's eyes out. You're no fun.
Yeah! Don't worry, we can do that now; I am back.
Yeah, one of the things I wished was done better was the Orlesian civil war arc. That definitely should've been more than just one mission at the Winter's Palace
There was a bit more. You got the quests in the Exalted Plains. Not that they were any satisfactory or actually went into the issue, but at least on paper you got them.
No, seriously, I agree and was were disappointed by that too. It would have added so much depth, instead they give us two fractions locked away in distant parts of an undead world (funny though: both fractions, who do not even know about the current state of the war, do know the Inquisition and even what they look like); never actually explaining how all of this happened. And what had they actually been fighting for? "Uhh... ya know... like... there was a war and they said we should... ya know... I dunno..."
I suppose I wanted Bioware to actually follow up.
Yes, I agree. And I also don't understand why the Inquisition was needed at all.
Did they start because of the Corypheus thread? But if so, why had Cassandra been looking for Hawke in DA2 already?
Or did they start because of the Templar/mage issue? But if so, why did DAI largely ignore this?
They never tried to solve the basic issue, they only tried to find allies to close the breach. So what was the actual intention of forming the Inquisition at all? It's all pretty blurry to me and DAI gets caught in contradictions again and again.
You're the one playing Brock Lesnar with facepaint. And a teen, if I recall.
There there... have a cookie? Don't pick on Cespar or I will have to kill you Sith style. Unworthy of you that is, Hahren.
And used the pieces for narrative emphasis of his internal decision making!
My favorite enemy.
Oh my god, is this the first thing we've ever agreed on? Quick, start talking about how Petrovski should have won and raised humanity to its rightful place as top tier citizens on Omega so things can go back to normal.
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There there... have a cookie? Don't pick on Cespar
or I will have to kill you Sith style. Unworthy of you that is, Hahren.
I'm not picking on him. I won't persist. I'm just not talking about story anymore with him, when part of my complaints about this game is how badly implemented the Inquisitor origins can be. Some better than others (even human to an extent). To me, it's the big pink elephant in the room.
I'm going to be stubborn about it. So.. as much as I like you, I'll risk the Sith asskicking. 
given the way Me2 ended Me3's beginning made sense to me, then again i guess im easily pleased.
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given the way Me2 ended Me3's beginning made sense to me, then again i guess im easily pleased.
It sucks if you romance Jack or one of the others. You're just cut off from your badass Dirty Dozen.
And then you were mostly cut off the rest of the game too. That was a team I really connected with.. so it was hard to adjust. I was back in Boy Scout mode, compliant, duty bound, sacrifical, and loved liara... for some reason.
Yes, I agree. And I also don't understand why the Inquisition was needed at all.
Did they start because of the Corypheus thread? But if so, why had Cassandra been looking for Hawke in DA2 already?
Or did they start because of the Templar/mage issue? But if so, why did DAI largely ignore this?
They never tried to solve the basic issue, they only tried to find allies to close the breach. So what was the actual intention of forming the Inquisition at all? It's all pretty blurry to me and DAI gets caught in contradictions again and again.
The Inquisition was needed to bring order back to Thedas, sure it was originally intended to end the Mage/Templar conflict if the peace summit failed but considering the Breach and Cory it became needed for another reason
given the way Me2 ended Me3's beginning made sense to me, then again i guess im easily pleased.
If you played Arrival it kinda makes sense but if not then eh.... I guess you could say it was for working Cerberus (which would still be a stupid reason)
I think what most endeared me about the character was that he was what Cerberus could have been in the game.
Rational, logical, reasonable, dogma with purpose and conviction.
But honestly perhaps it was just because he was all that was actually left of the organization that wasn't thrown under the indoctrination bus... I will never forgive Bioware for that.
They reduced a faction of questionable morality and debatable politics to bullet sponges.
Huh. Yeah, I can understand that. It's just that I think they always intended for Cerberus to be this big horrendous monster from the beginning, despite ME2's more nuanced presentation. We saw their flagrantly irresponsible approach to the lives of even human soldiers/test subjects as early as the sole survivor origin.
The nuanced entity that was Cerberus in ME2 was always an illusion, but I can understand wanting it to be more than that, especially factoring in your ideology.
We should probably find our topic again though. 
Cassandra.
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Huh. Yeah, I can understand that. It's just that I think they always intended for Cerberus to be this big horrendous monster from the beginning, despite ME2's more nuanced presentation. We saw their flagrantly irresponsible approach to the lives of even human soldiers/test subjects as early as the sole survivor origin.
The nuanced entity that was Cerberus in ME2 was always an illusion, but I can understand wanting it to be more than that, especially factoring in your ideology.
We should probably find our topic again though.
Before we get back on topic, I guess the one cool thing about Petrovsky is he did bring some of this back to Cerberus. Even he thought TIM was getting nutty.
Huh. Yeah, I can understand that. It's just that I think they always intended for Cerberus to be this big horrendous monster from the beginning, despite ME2's more nuanced presentation. We saw their flagrantly irresponsible approach to the lives of even human soldiers/test subjects as early as the sole survivor origin.
The nuanced entity that was Cerberus in ME2 was always an illusion, but I can understand wanting it to be more than that, especially factoring in your ideology.
We should probably find our topic again though.
Actually they didn't plan anything for Cerberus originally, they went from a rogue group in ME1 to an organization in ME2 to the Space Illuminati in ME3 and the comics
Fair enough. That was a nice touch on the engineer.. never played one though.
Engineer = rogue. Engineer is life and engineer is love.
Well, sort of. Sentinel is awesome, too. 
Huh. Yeah, I can understand that. It's just that I think they always intended for Cerberus to be this big horrendous monster from the beginning, despite ME2's more nuanced presentation. We saw their flagrantly irresponsible approach to the lives of even human soldiers/test subjects as early as the sole survivor origin.
The nuanced entity that was Cerberus in ME2 was always an illusion, but I can understand wanting it to be more than that, especially factoring in your ideology.
We should probably find our topic again though.
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Engineer = rogue. Engineer is life and engineer is love.
Well, sort of. Sentinel is awesome, too.
I thought infiltrator was rogue
I played some of the engineers in multiplayer, but that isn't quite the same I imagine.
Actually they didn't plan anything for Cerberus originally, they went from a rogue group in ME1 to an organization in ME2 to the Space Illuminati in ME3 and the comics
Yeah, but a rogue group which committed atrocious experiments on soldiers and civilians alike.
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