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And no one is surprised to see you say that. You don't see a lot of things.
What, you mean people you know of on tumblr? Yea, there are a lot of kids there, which for some reason was surprising to me. I don't know why, but I tend to assume people I meet online are adults and forget that teens have computers too, lol.
The people I know on tumblr are mostly in the 25+ group,and don't act like the people who attacked gaider. You know reasonable adults..who like games (we exist on tumblr who knew!)
Possibly college changes things, but not necessarily.
For the worst, from what I've seen, ha. In types that think they know everything. The type that thinks they're the first to discover atheism, for instance.
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For the worst, from what I've seen, ha. In types that think they know everything. The type that thinks they're the first to discover atheism, for instance.
Yeah, it's all the self-discovery.. which is cool and all. But still, you can't forget other people discover things too.
All I know is after highschool is a pretty arrogant age. Possibly college changes things, but not necessarily.
Even when I was younger, my older brother (7 years older) got more annoying than ever around then. lol.. I was still a kid and remember shaking my head.
One of my brothers is really what anybody would call a "grown man", but he still acts like a child. I can't stop shaking my head even today but that's probably just individual failing.
I don't know if college alone changes so much. I think it's just time. The more you saw that you are not impeccable and that your own opinion might not be the ultimate truth. I think when you're in your early 20s you just haven't yet had the chance to gather enough of these experiences to actually evolve beyond that sort of arrogant self-confidence.
I go by 17 and up at least personally.
I personally wouldn't consider a 17 year old an "adult" by any stretch of imagination. 
One of my brothers is really what anybody would call a "grown man", but he still acts like a child. I can't stop shaking my head even today but that's probably just individual failing.
I don't know if college alone changes so much. I think it's just time. The more you saw that you are not impeccable and that your own opinion might not be the ultimate truth. I think when you're in your early 20s you just haven't yet had the chance to gather enough of these experiences to actually evolve beyond that sort of arrogant self-confidence.
I'd go with the time thing, rather than collage.
One of my brothers is really what anybody would call a "grown man", but he still acts like a child. I can't stop shaking my head even today but that's probably just individual failing.
I don't know if college alone changes so much. I think it's just time. The more you saw that you are not impeccable and that your own opinion might not be the ultimate truth. I think when you're in your early 20s you just haven't yet had the chance to gather enough of these experiences to actually evolve beyond that sort of arrogant self-confidence.
Sometimes... my old man and ma both are still cocky SOBs. Guess that's where I get it from, lol. It's just confidence. If one is used to debating and winning, then they'll remain cocky.
I personally wouldn't consider a 17 year old an "adult" by any stretch of imagination.
Me neither.. I would say they are not even close..
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Personally, that was the worst time of my life. I was put in rehab. Frustrated and stripped of all pride.
Maybe it was a good thing in the longrun. Heh
Personally, that was the worst time of my life. I was put in rehab. Frustrated and stripped of all pride.
Maybe it was a good thing in the longrun. Heh
Well clearly you recovered. 
I personally wouldn't consider a 17 year old an "adult" by any stretch of imagination.
I'm going by my own standards. I was old enough and responsible enough by then that I'd consider myself an adult by that age. They're old enough to understand and contemplate complex ideas, and can take legal responsibility for their own actions. I'm not going by what others consider to be an adult because that's always subjective. 17-18 is the legal age for a reason though.
Me neither.. I would say they are not even close..
Of course I considered myself an adult at 17. All mature and grown up. Only today I laugh at that. Time is a ******. 
I'm going by my own standards. I was old enough and responsible enough by then that I'd consider myself an adult by that age. They're old enough to understand and contemplate complex ideas, and can take legal responsibility for their own actions. I'm not going by what others consider to be an adult because that's always subjective. 17-18 is the legal age for a reason though.
Old enough to understand, maybe 1/10,000 is, but most 17 yo are fresh out of the shelter environment, that is school. The majority are yet to have the long term exposure to responsibility and the RW.
Of course I considered myself an adult at 17. All mature and grown up. Only today I laugh at that. Time is a ******.
Lol agreed.
Old enough to understand, maybe 1/100 is, but most 17 yo are fresh out of the shelter environment, that is school. The majority are yet to have the long term exposure to responsibility and the RW.
Neither have some men in their mid 20's. I go by the capacity to be. Someone who can't even have the capacity is an adolescent. That's why I stick to that basis, because the rest relies on too much assumption and is why a 50 year old would look down on a 35 year old as a kid. Dig?
I'm going for teaching though, so I'd be required to treat that age group as adults. Not really, but I would as a part of the process, so it's different for me.
Neither are some men in their mid 20's. I go by the capacity to be. Someone who can't even have the capacity is an adolescent. That's why I stick to that basis, because the rest relies on too much assumption and is why a 50 year old would look down on a 35 year old as a kid. Dig?
I'm going for teaching though, so I'd be required to treat that age group as adults. Not really, but I would as a part of the process, so it's different for me.
Good and fair points.
ALthough, I have to admit the 17yo here are affected by a toxic drinking culture..and have often been drinking alcohol from the age of 12. One of my favourite history quotes:
In 1869, Marcus Clarke said of Australians,
"They are not a nation of snobs like the English or of extravagant boasters like the Americans or of reckless profligates like the French, they are simply a nation of drunkards."
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Neither have some men in their mid 20's. I go by the capacity to be. Someone who can't even have the capacity is an adolescent. That's why I stick to that basis, because the rest relies on too much assumption and is why a 50 year old would look down on a 35 year old as a kid. Dig?
I'm going for teaching though, so I'd be required to treat that age group as adults. Not really, but I would as a part of the process, so it's different for me.
What do you mean "capacity to be"?
In any case, I don't know if these other issues have anything to do with age. I just think some people take pride in victimhood. Or something. Or want the "minority" experience, without even being one half the time. I don't know why. It's not fun and games.
Good and fair points.
ALthough, I have to admit the 17yo here are affected by a toxic drinking culture..and have often been drinking alcohol from the age of 12. One of my favourite history quotes:
In 1869, Marcus Clarke said of Australians,
"They are not a nation of snobs like the English or of extravagant boasters like the Americans or of reckless profligates like the French, they are simply a nation of drunkards."
I love this quote. Hell I might sig this...
17-18 is the legal age for a reason though.
But what is the reason?
In big parts of the world the age of consent it around 13/14. (Wikipedia)
According to the Catholic Church a girl may be married at the age of 14, a boy at 16. (Wikipedia)
And why may I get married before I may vote? And why may I vote before I am supposed to get drunk?
Now ask me if I think a 13 year old is mature enough to understand sex (let's say with her 45 year old uncle) or a 14 year old is mature enough to raise a family. 
What do you mean "capacity to be"?
Meaning that a 17 year old generally may be or act a certain way but they have the capacity to be responsible and act like adults. I tend to think that if they're not, it's due to upbringing more than anything else. My little bro for instance, I got to watch him grow up because I had to help take care of him, and it's so hard because his mother spoils him so much, compared to myself where it was just me usually, so I had to grow up faster. He's 12, and she won't even let him ride the bus alone and give him a house key because she's afraid of him getting in trouble with the other kids. I see the difference between him and myself so clear. He's going to have a hard time at 17 18. I think I'll have to let him live with me alone for a while for his own good.
I love this quote. Hell I might sig this...
Go for it.
But what is the reason?In big parts of the world the age of consent it around 13/14. (Wikipedia)
According to the Catholic Church a girl may be married at the age of 14, a boy at 16. (Wikipedia)
And why may I get married before I may vote? And why may I vote before I am supposed to get drunk?
Now ask me if I think a 13 year old is mature enough to understand sex (let's say with her 45 year old uncle) or a 14 year old is mature enough to raise a family.
* asks*
But what is the reason?In big parts of the world the age of consent it around 13/14. (Wikipedia)
According to the Catholic Church a girl may be married at the age of 14, a boy at 16. (Wikipedia)
And why may I get married before I may vote? And why may I vote before I am supposed to get drunk?
Now ask me if I think a 13 year old is mature enough to understand sex (let's say with her 45 year old uncle) or a 14 year old is mature enough to raise a family.
Age of consent and being an adult aren't really the same matter though. I agree with the age of consent for sex, at 14, but wouldn't consider a 14 year old an adult either, legal age or no legal age. The reason is brain development, I'm pretty sure, but I don't know all about it. More than likely it's cultural agreement, since the brain doesn't actually stop developing, certainly not at 18.
* asks*
Uh... Let's say I'm glad I didn't have to marry at 14.
More than likely it's cultural agreement, since the brain doesn't actually stop developing, certainly not at 18.
Which is what I meant to say.
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I think sexual relationships are valid at those early ages, but it depends on the culture. Unfortunately, it only works in lame patriarchal societies where rich old men marry little girls. The girls don't need to learn responsibility and/or get a job.
I think sexual relationships are valid at those early ages, but it depends on the culture. Unfortunately, it only works in lame patriarchal societies where rich old men marry little girls. The girls don't need to learn responsibility and/or get a job.
LOL I'd marry a sugar momma at 14 if I could have, lol. Sign me up. Depends how old the woman we're talking tho.
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