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Well, "blank slate" aka more like an rpg was how this series started... it's hardly surprising people wish for it to stick to its roots.
And the fans aren't the ones you should be hoping will realize this. In the end, the devs are the ones that decided to take this path.
I don't want to disscuss this anymore. It will just end up in an argument.
My favourite is city elf. The feels!
That was quite fun in Origins. I found it amusing I could go against the idea of the arranged Marriage due to some of the dialogue options and the way the others reacted.
I really hope we have starting points like that in the next game. I've been wanting to playthrough Origins again, and I'm stuck between Dalish/City Elf.
Wouldn't mind a full on Apostate Mage beginning though.
But alas, I now have to say something about Cass, so we stay on track!
I wonder how long it would take for the first child Cass and my Inquisitor have to punch a Bear. I want to imagine they start at the age of 6, a young bear comes out of nowhere to investigate, then bam, uppercut from the young Pentaghast! While my Inquisitor howls with laughter, Cassandra turns around with the famous disgusted noise reaction.
..Only for the child to turn around to the Inquisitor with that same reaction, which makes him stop laughing, and Cass trying to suppress a smile. You're welcome for the mental image.
Side note: I do not praise punching wildlife. However when it comes to the Bears in Dragon Age, I do however, find it hilarious.
Yeah, well, I like Biowares stories, characters, and world. I'm not interested in blank state protagonists, and my play style is just as valid as anyone-else's. I want the choice to be able to play as a protagonist like Hawke. A lot of blank-state fans need to realise: that they are not, the only type of people, who play this game.
I'm torn. On the one hand I feel just like you and would be glad to see it reflected in the games. On the other hand I also understand (in theory) those people who want a blank character to fill with their own ideas. I do understand how a character with a personality can break immersion for others. And while I want the devs to regard my wishes, I also know that there's other gamers who also want that too; only they want the opposite.
If they could do what you suggest -- allow the player to choose what character s/he wants to be -- that would be perfect. But I bet it would be damn expensive for them. So the realist in me does not see that happen.
I don't think DAO was blank slate. There was a lot to work with in the origin stories. <snip>
That is true, they gave you plenty of backstory to work with. I did notice how they defined your character there. The Dalish (first origin story I played) had Tamlen and at least for a female it was implied he was rather a boyfriend than a friend. The circle mage got Cullen's infatuation and the imprisonment, the city elf had the arranged marriage. I did not play other origins, so I don't know about the rest.
I couldn't pick a favorite. But I assume the mage background impressed me most, because this concept of spending your whole life in a tower, behind walls, locked away from the rest of the world, constantly watched and without the right to self-determination... that really got me bad and I remember thinking about it a lot. I assume that's why my mage ended up my canon Warden, though I don't usually enjoy mage gameplay (for DAO it made no difference though, because it was so close to turn based RPG combat anyway).
But that's background, that's not so much character. Hawke had a stronger personality. And I think the conversation wheel itself is a factor. The protagonist will never say exactly what you pick as an option, so at least I was sometimes in for a surprise about what really came out in the end. I personally enjoyed that and I have absolutely no problem with identifying with a character I like. I can play GTA4 and basically become Nico for the time being. So self-insertion for me does not at all require a blank character. But I do see how other people can have a real problem with handling a fleshed out character.
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I'm torn. On the one hand I feel just like you and would be glad to see it reflected in the games. On the other hand I also understand (in theory) those people who want a blank character to fill with their own ideas. I do understand how a character with a personality can break immersion for others. And while I want the devs to regard my wishes, I also know that there's other gamers who also want that too; only they want the opposite.
If they could do what you suggest -- allow the player to choose what character s/he wants to be -- that would be perfect. But I bet it would be damn expensive for them. So the realist in me does not see that happen.
That is true, they gave you plenty of backstory to work with. I did notice how they defined your character there. The Dalish (first origin story I played) had Tamlen and at least for a female it was implied he was rather a boyfriend than a friend. The circle mage got Cullen's infatuation and the imprisonment, the city elf had the arranged marriage. I did not play other origins, so I don't know about the rest.
I couldn't pick a favorite. But I assume the mage background impressed me most, because this concept of spending your whole life in a tower, behind walls, locked away from the rest of the world, constantly watched and without the right to self-determination... that really got me bad and I remember thinking about it a lot. I assume that's why my mage ended up my canon Warden, though I don't usually enjoy mage gameplay (for DAO it made no difference though, because it was so close to turn based RPG combat anyway).
But that's background, that's not so much character. Hawke had a stronger personality. And I think the conversation wheel itself is a factor. The protagonist will never say exactly what you pick as an option, so at least I was sometimes in for a surprise about what really came out in the end. I personally enjoyed that and I have absolutely no problem with identifying with a character I like. I can play GTA4 and basically become Nico for the time being. So self-insertion for me does not at all require a blank character. But I do see how other people can have a real problem with handling a fleshed out character.
Yes, I like Hawke better too, but I think it's more than just background in DAO. You get close relationships and family and such. And some level of personal drama or crisis point that changes your character. It's just not as cinematic as Hawke.
"Background" to me something done in very broadstrokes, like DAI... Or when the character is just some lore dispenser on their "race", like Tali or Sten. DAO isn't fleshed out like Hawke or other single player games, but there's a colorful pallete to work with in the origins that can all establish your character's psychology or the kind of issues that bother them.
I don't want to disscuss this anymore. It will just end up in an argument.
Not with me it won't, but sure.
I love TW a lot more, but I guess it's mostly because the books were one of my first experiences with fantasy genre, probably after LOTR. I was maybe 13-14 and they really left a deep impression. Now I realise that they really aren't that great, but they still hold a special place in my heart and I still love the characters. In a way they are like old friends. So those feelings extended to The Witcher games and why I'm willing to overlook some flaws. But I agree that combat absolutely blows in both games. Extremely clunky and boring in the first and rollin' rollin' from the second game isn't much better.
Tbh I actually liked the combat in both 
Thought TW 2's was refreshing since I was used to dragon age by then. I love the switching up between melee and magic. The rolling however is annoying. Roll to win and spam Quen.
I went through some of the writing and tbh, I prefer the game. Geralt I don't much like personality wise, even if I like him as a character, but being able to change him some and alter his story was necessary for me. His witcher neutrality thing is too alien for me personally. Couldn't follow a character like that, so I'm glad they step away from this in the games even if in the end he'll still never commit to an organization or group beyond Witchers.
Not with me it won't, but sure.
No, Conan does not argue. You just strongly state your opinion....
Tehehehe. *leg hug*
DON'T STOMP ON ME!!!!!!!
Yes, I like Hawke better too, but I think it's more than just background in DAO. You get close relationships and family and such. And some level of personal drama or crisis point that changes your character. It's just not as cinematic as Hawke.
"Background" to me something done in very broadstrokes, like DAI... Or when the character is just some lore dispenser on their "race", like Tali or Sten. DAO isn't fleshed out like Hawke or other single player games, but there's a colorful pallete to work with in the origins that can all establish your character's psychology or the kind of issues that bother them.
Yes, that's what I meant too when distinguishing character and personality. (Though I see how I did not express it well.) DAO gives you a character, experiences, fiends. DA2 does the same (only with less choice). And the player fills that character with a personality.
In DAO you never see this personality reflected, you must "make it up" yourself. So How your Warden reacts to the experiences, if e.g. a city elf is filled with bitterness, or takes things rather likely, if s/he's nice and helpful or aggressive and self-centered etc., all that the player created in his head. Some tone is in the lines you can pick or how others will react, but it is not shown/voiced explicitly, which allows you to color more yourself.
DA2, on the other hand, lets you pick from three personalities (and a broken, sad one is not in the mix even) and the voice and extreme facial expressions then sort of carve it in stone (what you pointed out as cinematic). The game guides you more and displays Hawke's personality, which makes it difficult --to stick to my example-- to roleplay a sad and broken Hawke.
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I never played the Witcher games.
... I have bad experiences with hyped up Polish RPGs. Gothic, Two Worlds...
I never played the Witcher games.
... I have bad experiences with hyped up Euro RPGs.
You really cannot compare the Witcher (2) with these. I haven't gotten far yet with Witcher 1 (and combat is a drag), but Witcher 2 I genuinely enjoyed. Mostly for the story but I could handle the combat (Xbox though) alright. In any case it is a quality game (personal opinion) with issues I can overlook.
I went through some of the writing and tbh, I prefer the game. Geralt I don't much like personality wise, even if I like him as a character, but being able to change him some and alter his story was necessary for me. His witcher neutrality thing is too alien for me personally. Couldn't follow a character like that, so I'm glad they step away from this in the games even if in the end he'll still never commit to an organization or group beyond Witchers.
Yeah it's good they pulled good ol' memory loss to make character somewhat blank, wouldn't be much of an RPG otherwise. For me the books are like an origin story, I just tried to rp as close as possible to the image of Geralt I got from the books. The other playthroughs were just to see stuff, like another path in TW2 and such.
Obviously.
This is my new favourite gif..
I used to ship CassxLeliana so:
I really like the confidence she has in this scene.
sleeping cass
*snip*
by mori91
I saw this in the other thread. Mori is a fantastic artist. Do you think she will add in Cass' scars in the completed piece?
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lol.. cropping the pic, just for this thread.
You'd think 6 months after release, I'd stop being disgusted. But I am still going strong. 
I saw this in the other thread. Mori is a fantastic artist. Do you think she will add in Cass' scars in the completed piece?
I hope so, and yes she really is amazing.
lol.. cropping the pic, just for this thread.
You'd think 6 months after release, I'd stop being disgusted. But I am still going strong.
It wasn't cropped..
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I hope so, and yes she really is amazing.
It wasn't cropped..
It looks like it at least.
I just can't decide what I'm more disgusted with. Stubby limbs or bestiality. *scratches chin*
lol.. cropping the pic, just for this thread.
You'd think 6 months after release, I'd stop being disgusted. But I am still going strong.
Fictional people, yoll.
In Nilfgaard dwarves that lay with highborn women are drawn and quarted.
Maybe the highborn ladies should stop opening their legs for dwarves.
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In Nilfgaard dwarves that lay with highborn women are drawn and quarted.
Nice.
I don't even like Legolas, yet he's cool just for this.
You'd think 6 months after release, I'd stop being disgusted. But I am still going strong.
No, really nobody thought that. 
It looks like it at least.
I just can't decide what I'm more disgusted with. Stubby limbs or bestiality. *scratches chin*
At least it's not pentilyet..urrgh..
Is anyone out there shipping Leliana with Iron Bull yet? lol
I mean she's a redhead, it has to be enough.
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