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[In Exile]

She was a great character when she wasn't this open minded. 

 

It's ridiculous now. Seems to be the only "belief" most here care about anymore. Both in the context of this game and in life in general. Characters with stronger stances will get denigrated (see Vivienne and Sera)....so you can't have that for Cassandra. 

 

And I can't help but think it's just some wish on Gaider's part that people really were this way.... because I'm sure he's dealt with plenty of b.s. from religion (and I can sympathize). But it's taken to silly levels. Because of this I don't see Cassandra anymore. But the writer.

 

I don't see how her being prejudiced made her a "great" character. More importantly, she does have strong views. Just like Leliana has strong views. People don't object to the presence of strong views: they object to views they disagree with on principle. 

 

More importantly, DA:2 didn't portray Cassandra as a racist or a bigot and that was her only prior appearance. So I'm not sure where you see the change. 

[Merela]

 

...now that's just too cruel.

[AresKeith]

Conflict can be great. Not mere prejudice. Sometimes it's good to grow out of it too, but i want to see the growth and reasons why. Not just have it happen, because you chose some romance dialogue.

 

I don't expect her to be racist anyways. I'm talking about a combination of things. 

 

Other than that though, I'm just railing against Bioware's overall agenda. It's very umm.... post modern or something. For lack of a better word. Everything's about openmindedness now. F*ck that.

 

Just because Cassandra is open-minded doesn't mean all of Thedas is 

[In Exile]

Conflict can be great. Not mere prejudice. Sometimes it's good to grow out of it too, but i want to see the growth and reasons why. Not just have it happen, because you chose some romance dialogue.

I don't expect her to be racist anyways. I'm talking about a combination of things.

Other than that though, I'm just railing against Bioware's overall agenda. It's very umm.... post modern or something. For lack of a better word. Everything's about openmindedness now. F*ck that.

I don't disagree with your general point but, again, Cassandra herself doesn't really display any prejudice in DAI. As a result I can't agree that the romance is really representative of any meaningful change of character on her part.

While Bioware does not want to engage with IRL prejudices such as gender or sexuality, they very much deal with fantasy racism. We see that with Solas for example, who even on a friendship path says some notably racist things to the Inquisitor.

In the end it seems to me that you want more prejudice to be injected into party members in DAI but at the end of the day that's just not a worthwhile investment of content. Party members have to stick with you for game play purposes and I don't think an Aesop about prejudiced people learning not to be prejudiced is any better than just not having prejudiced characters.

[Colonelkillabee]

Yeah, that's the best of the bunch, but it's not that great to me either. It just has great parts.

 

Yes, that was a great scene, lol.

[Siha]

I don't disagree with your general point but, again, Cassandra herself doesn't really display any prejudice in DAI. As a result I can't agree that the romance is really representative of any meaningful change of character on her part.

 

But Cassandra doesn't display anything in DA2. How would she? All she does is question somebody about the whereabouts of Hawke. We don't know what she thinks of anybody or anything (privately). She could be a full-fledged racist, we wouldn't know.

And a romance could represent a change of character (or rather, point of view), if she starts out with "Damn, you're a dwarf and I'm really not into that", gets to know the Inquisitor, and finally does fall in love after all. I am not too fond of that, but this is just what they aimed at with Garrus in ME2. Wouldn't even need to be prejudice, a simple matter of preference could do the trick too.

[AresKeith]

But Cassandra doesn't display anything in DA2. How would she? All she does is question somebody about the whereabouts of Hawke. We don't know what she thinks of anybody or anything (privately). She could be a full-fledged racist, we wouldn't know.

And a romance could represent a change of character (or rather, point of view), if she starts out with "Damn, you're a dwarf and I'm really not into that", gets to know the Inquisitor, and finally does fall in love after all. I am not too fond of that, but this is just what they aimed at with Garrus in ME2. Wouldn't even need to be prejudice, a simple matter of preference could do the trick too.

 

I'm still meh about that with Garrus 

[Siha]

I'm still meh about that with Garrus 

 

I didn't like it either. I couldn't play that romance because of how it was supposed to start in ME2.

But I just wanted to bring an example of how BW has attempted it before (even if not too well done).

[Retconnaissance]

I'm still meh about that with Garrus 

 

Probably still better then random hook up with Tali in ME3. I was like: 'Wait, what?"

[AresKeith]

Probably still better then random hook up with Tali in ME3. I was like: 'Wait, what?"

 

I saw him and Tali hooking up since the first game lol

[Retconnaissance]

I saw him and Tali hooking up since the first game lol

It's not that I'm against it. But there's just nothing hinting at it in the first two games, well apart from that dextro compatibility, I guess. And then bam. Plus you get Tali rather late in the third game, so even there they really don't have a whole lot of time.

[Siha]

I saw him and Tali hooking up since the first game lol

 

Haha, absolutely! All that talk about that ultra-famous romance flick with a Turian and a Quarian. And the Turian/Quarian "friends" in ME2, talking about how bad her experiences with her last human date wer, him pointing out she should look for a better man, non-human, maybe even known to her already.

[AresKeith]

It's not that I'm against it. But there's just nothing hinting at it in the first two games, wel apart from that dextro compatibility, I guess. And than bam. Plus you get Tali rather late in the third game, so even there they really don't have a whole lot of time.

 

I think it was their original intent before fans wanted to romance them

[Merela]

 

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[Addai]

But Cassandra doesn't display anything in DA2. How would she? All she does is question somebody about the whereabouts of Hawke. We don't know what she thinks of anybody or anything (privately). She could be a full-fledged racist, we wouldn't know.

And a romance could represent a change of character (or rather, point of view), if she starts out with "Damn, you're a dwarf and I'm really not into that", gets to know the Inquisitor, and finally does fall in love after all. I am not too fond of that, but this is just what they aimed at with Garrus in ME2. Wouldn't even need to be prejudice, a simple matter of preference could do the trick too.

This also supports InExile's point that we really don't know how she feels about different races, so there's no "ruining" of the character in DAI.

 

Though it's also pretty obvious they had to make her very flexible in order to work as a romance and tutorial buddy. In her case it's up to the player to roleplay appropriately. I've thought of creating a male Qunari for her, but his rp would be that he's open/questioning about Andrastianism. And no creepy horns.

 

I didn't like it either. I couldn't play that romance because of how it was supposed to start in ME2.

But I just wanted to bring an example of how BW has attempted it before (even if not too well done).

For me the development was great. It allowed you to be buddies with Garrus before it turned romantic, and the buddy vibe continues which is the best thing about it. Low drama. Whereas Kaidan and Liara were both all over you just from being friendly. At the end of ME1 I could've walked into the sunset with Garrus and Wrex and been perfectly happy.

[Siha]

This also supports InExile's point that we really don't know how she feels about different races, so there's no "ruining" of the character in DAI.

 

Though it's also pretty obvious they had to make her very flexible in order to work as a romance and tutorial buddy. In her case it's up to the player to roleplay appropriately. I've thought of creating a male Qunari for her, but his rp would be that he's open/questioning about Andrastianism. And no creepy horns.

 

For me the development was great. It allowed you to be buddies with Garrus before it turned romantic, and the buddy vibe continues which is the best thing about it. Low drama. Whereas Kaidan and Liara were both all over you just from being friendly. At the end of ME1 I could've walked into the sunset with Garrus and Wrex and been perfectly happy.

 

It wasn't about ruining, I think. I never spoke about ruining at least. In Exile said that she did not display prejudices in DA2, so I said that she did not display anything, hence DA2 is not a basis to judge her character either way. They could have introduced preferences on her side (though I personally don't wish for them, my post was merely regarding a fact, not an expression of my preference).

 

I have no opinion about the pairings, actually. Cass displays a complete indifference toward personal attributes, only caring about individual qualities. She will prefer an Andrastian, but she is open-minded enough to also accept other points of view, as long as the Inquisitor is a decent person. I personally like that, but I would accept a gating as well. I know Magic has stronger opinions on this though.

 

I liked Garrus very much as a person. I did not care much for the way the romance began though. It felt awkward to me personally, but I know other people liked it and that's cool too.

[Merela]

Was this one ever posted?

 

 

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[Andres Hendrix]

Was this one ever posted?

 

 

Source: http://artofrussell....ghast-499261428

Guess she does not have to worry about getting blood in her scabbard, because apparently in Thedas nothing rusts, thus there is no need for scabbards. XD lol

What happened to scabbards in DAI anyway (Bioware had pictures of them)?

[Merela]

Guess she does not have to worry about getting blood in her scabbard, because apparently in Thedas nothing rusts, thus there is no need for scabbards. XD lol

What happened to scabbards in DAI anyway (Bioware had pictures of them)?

 

Good question! Maybe the game engine didn't allow scabbards, or they didn't look good once in-game?

[Master Warder Z_]

I usually use oil to prevent rusting.

Oiled wetstones are also useful for blade sharpening.

Though just giving a blade a proper edge is very time consuming.

[Andres Hendrix]

Good question! Maybe the game engine didn't allow scabbards, or they didn't look good once in-game?

One of the things that bothers me in fantasy games, is when characters  have swords just out in the open all the time, covered in blood etc. When they just treat a sword like a random chunk of metal, it sort of breaks the immersion. Maintaining a sword is somewhat the same idea as maintaining a gun, it needs to be cleaned and taken care of, or life threatening complications can happen e.g., a sword sticking in its scabbard, or a sword rusting and or becoming damaged. Cassandra had a scabbard for her Inquisition Sword in the early advertisements; maybe it ended up being a victim of penny-pinching?

[Siha]

it needs to be cleaned and taken care of, or life threatening complications can happen e.g., a sword sticking in its scabbard

 

See? There you go. If there's no scabbard, nothing can get stuck. Maybe Cass is just lazy. 

[TEWR]

Ron Perlman as Deathstroke is love, Ron Perlman as Deathstroke is life.

 

And good for Perlman too, since he's managed to voice Deathstroke in a number of animated incarnations of the character since the Titans series (which, admittedly, isn't a lot; you can probably count them all on 1 hand). He's great in the Flashpoint Paradox (my favorite DC movie), but his screentime is criminally short.

 

He didn't do Deathstroke in Injustice, which makes me sad, but whoever they got in his place did a good impersonation. 

 

Ron Perlman could probably nail a live-action version of Deathstroke.

 

Did I miss something? Did Keith get everyone pissed off?

 

How could anyone not love Mr. In America?